HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[rbx4]

So many people having a big ol' boner with trashing creators projects and rythm and throwing the "scam" argument left right and center...
How about, if you hate it so much, you start making your own game and wait for other to do that to you, hm ?

Grand advice. Everyone who has ever criticized a game, make your own game first. That way, we have only game creators and nobody else. I do actually make my own games, by the way, and so I do know what I am talking about.

I've had people tell me, without understanding, that I do not have the right to criticize content creators before. When they criticized another content creator, I told them that too. They had no response.

 

[rbx4]

If you want crappy, scammy games, there's a bunch of HTML games, all resembling one another, getting one update every 6 months that comes down to two pages of text and a broken link.

Now you're gonna probably say that people pay for this game that gets restarted over and over. Yes. And if they're still paying, that means they, too, understand that ultimately, the new version will have various improvments over the previous one.
Ultimately, it's his game, he makes it however he wants. People are free to support him or not, to their liking. But accusing him of scamming people while he actually works and makes updates...
You have other devs making shitty non-finished games that are barely a 0.01 and immediatly promote a Patreon with barely and intro done, and nobody bats an eye.
Those are scammy people.

Many of them have done far more than Crush has done, and make much less than a small fraction of what Crush makes. That is what makes it interesting. Crush is doing no more than the people that you criticized, but makes vastly more. That is what makes Crush remarkable. Never the game, always the marketing.

 

[Ink]

 

[allenjohn]

I'd like to remind everybody that even considers defending the state of this game that everything leading up to Bangkok was basically a prologue, and it took four years to get here. Four years of development and tens of thousands of dollars in funding to complete the prologue to a primarily text based game. I'm pretty sure ConcernedApe developed the entirety of Stardew Valley's 1.0 release in roughly that same amount of time, almost entirely by himself, and that's a game several orders of magnitude more complex than Female Agent.

Just goes to show how absolutely fucking awful Patreon is as a platform for funding game developers. Every dollar that gets added to their support fund just encourages them to slow down development since a fully released game will never make them the same kind of money that blueballing and milking your patrons will. You only get access to one release, the one for the month you paid, and then never again unless you pay more and more and more. There's no way to leave a review for a creator that's visible to people visiting their page like you can on Steam games, so anybody that's considering supporting a developer will need to visit their game's respective F95 thread and monitor the frequency and size of their update history to gauge whether they're worth it.

You can dismiss a lot of people's complaints with defenses like "you're not buying a game, you're supporting a creator" or "just play the free version" or "you can't complain unless you're a backer, otherwise you're just a whiny leech" but that's all bullshit. This payment model doesn't just separate idiots from their money, it also damages the games themselves. There's a reason most of the biggest games on that platform have never actually seen completed releases despite being into their fifth, sixth or seventh years of development with people supposedly working on them "full time", and anybody that looks at this situation honestly can tell what that reason is. Everybody knows that Patreon is for donations and not purchases, but everybody also knows that that rule flies out the window in regard to porn games. People DO use Patreon to "buy" access to the latest update of a game, and that's why a developer's support always spikes when they release an update and then drops again the following month. People "buy" games off Patreon because they're left with no choice more often than not since 99% of these games don't end up on Steam.

TL;DR: Fuck Patreon, a system like this is not conducive to creating good and complete games. The best way to play the "Patreon porn game dev" game is to create a pretty character creator, make a bunch of promises and then never deliver. I just want good porn games god dammit.

 

[rbx4]

Well defending this "game" is something that has been understood by psychology for more than a century. Once someone takes the plunge and pays for this, they want to feel like they didn't waste their time and money. There are stages to this. Four more years from now, they may well say the same things that we do.

 

[LEET]

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No idea why you wanted to write so much but all I said was that they were entitled to their opinions and will just criticize the game as they please. I did state in another comment that the issue is that the dev needs to learn to test and toss things out as soon as possible rather than attempting to spend a lot of work on it then scrap it months later.

Where is the birth to college part？removed？

Currently it's being shelved while they work on something else. They removed it so it's easier to get to the newer content.

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May I steal that meme?

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Patreon isn't really a platform to support projects or to get a product out of it. You are basically throwing money at a creator to make more of what they already do. That's the issue with making a game on patreon is that there is no incentive to actually complete it. It's not like Scishow or supporting a creator like Corridor Digital which creates a finished product each time for the subscribers.

 

[ttipsigam]

This game started development before I went to university; I've graduated with a degree and the prologue is now finished.

*Someone find me when I send my kids to university, I'm sure the game will be finished then

 

[RNDM]

oh shit it's finally out of Soul Societyarriving in Bangkok?!

 

[Hibiki420]

Wow great job removing the most enjoyable part of the game. I really liked the birth through college part.

 

[Nope]

Played this again for the first time in a while. Seems like a big step back but maybe he can actually work on content now rather than constant redos.

 

[leg28]

this update... i simply don't know what to say. after so many years molesting us to pick what kind of toy she had at crib, cake ingridients at 3rd birthday party, did she do homework regulary, what was her favourite nails colour.... now he scrapped everything
no training, no scotland mission, no preparation for mission at all... bs
tattoos (she has back side too) are limited, kinks are minimized, in fact no charachter creation at all. yes, earlier it was too much, but now almost nothing.

bangkok:
all that grinding he removed from beginning is back. wander around bkk, every day wake up, shower, dry yourself, pick panties, bra, top, bottom, shoes. eat. learn money conversion, choose transportation... next day again. thank god we don't have to go to toillette 3 times a day, wash hands and brush teeth regulary.

to conclude: if this was result of couple of months work, without knowing history, i would say very good work. definitely missing better intro, more mission preparation and charachter creation. why can't you be exhibitionists and love rough or being submissive, or all mentioned. back tatoos?

but knowing this bernie maddoff of adult games modus operandi, i'm affraid adding bangkok was just a trick to ease down pressure and accusations and for upgrading sheep milking. and as usual it will work. but don't be surprise crush will in near future abandon bkk and go back to early days with new illustrations, photos, engine...
hope i'm wrong....

 

[Trasher2018]

Impressive how this game gets less content with every update.

They spend month for a fun creation process and origin story, just to can all of that to get where they should have been month (years ago).

With the money they get, there is NO excuse for that.

But probably they had to take a trip to Bangkok for 1-2 month to see how it is there and how to implement that into the game. Field study ans stuff.... but then they should have less placeholder images.

I really liked the game and premise. And even the version up to 1.6 was fun and ready to dive into the Bangkok stuff.

It is impressive that we are now more or less where the 1.6 version was, just with LESS content.

 

[sappho]

Not a bad update in itself, it's just 24-36 months too late

 

[spikesagitta]

I'm not going to lie, while i did like the from childhood to college to getting recruited to be an agent part, removing it actually made it more enjoyable.

And we got bangkok content! that's something at least.

 

[Ripe]

If the creator of Female Agent feels like if previous frameworks doesn't work in the long-run and he can improve everything thanks to what he learned, who are you to crap on his intent of improving ?

The problem is that creator of Female Agent doesn't know if his previous framowork would work or not... because he never built actual game that would use his previous framework. All we had is a character creator with whole bunch of skills that were barely used during lifepath portion. They were supposed to be used during Bangkok portion, but since he never built Bangkok he had no idea if it would work or not.

Scrapping months of development that doesn't work is one thing, scrapping months of development before you had a chance to see if it works or not is another... to then spend another several months of development reworking that same character creation only to drop it completely so you could do Bangkok portion means that either Crushstation is completely incompetent or is a scammer.

In the end, it doesn't really matter which of those two options is true because either way this game will never go anywhere and will never be anywhere close to completed.

 

[leg28]

either Crushstation is completely incompetent or is a scammer.

he is not incompetent
and if not scammer he is totally dishonest. he didn't stop payments while he was learning how to do job he was paid for. i still can't understand people that paying him regulary every month for years.

 

[Snafu]

Very disappointed that we're now wandering around Bangkok and there's no Kathoeys in sight

 

[DevilInside666]

Doesnt look that game is progresing much.

 

[DizzyKana]

.... Decent enough but jeez.... this is progressing at a snails pace. I believe i played this what, 6 months back? Only a fairly small portion content is there lol.

Literally always hate when people gate traits or whatever behind paying. Yeah it's 1$, and just mostly aesthetic (Larger breasts option or multiple traits). But i'd prefer they just do earlier releases and public releases staggered behind. If i had to guess that's why there's so much support though. Most people are gonna want that larger option. And all the traits just to easily see all the paths etc.

What's kinda funny is for my tastes i sort of liked the old art more too.

 

[CypherXXX]

4 years to get to Bangkok? Wow. This was a trainwreck, dude was leeching off patreon for 4 years.