HTML Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

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People like game

People give money to game

Game developer gets lazy*

People keep giving money

Game developer keeps being lazy*


Even without other experience, it's not that crazy to suggest this pattern might be happening. People ocasionally get lazy about their work. A warning can work wonders (I've personally worked in different teams at different companies, and giving a warning to the lazy/troublesome employee can genuinely work wonders for the team as a whole and that member in particular)

It's really not that crazy to understand why people are saying "stop giving him money for nothing". Yes, for some, it might come as "revenge". But for many, it's just a way to encourage the developer to actually work harder.

You might think that this is not the case, but if his livelihood was in danger, he would absolutely do his best to restore that.




* It's subjective whether or not this is a case of laziness or something else

 

[boobthief]

People like game

People give money to game

Game developer gets lazy*

People keep giving money

Game developer keeps being lazy*


Even without other experience, it's not that crazy to suggest this pattern might be happening. People ocasionally get lazy about their work. A warning can work wonders (I've personally worked in different teams at different companies, and giving a warning to the lazy/troublesome employee can genuinely work wonders for the team as a whole and that member in particular)

It's really not that crazy to understand why people are saying "stop giving him money for nothing". Yes, for some, it might come as "revenge". But for many, it's just a way to encourage the developer to actually work harder.

You might think that this is not the case, but if his livelihood was in danger, he would absolutely do his best to restore that.




* It's subjective whether or not this is a case of laziness or something else

Genuine questions:

#1 Do you think you could do better? If so why not make a similar game (the tools they use are freely available) and rake in the same or presumably more money because your game is so much better. I would genuinely be interested to play your game. Do it, please!

#2 Or, on reflection, do you think this is more difficult than giving a lazy/troublesome employee a warning?

#3 Or do you think giving a creative type deadlines doesn't always work? How's GRRM's TWOW going? How's the Star Citizen PU going?

Genuinely interested in your answers. Maybe tomorrow you start work on a very similar game that is better in every way. Maybe not. I know I couldn't do it. But maybe you could - when's your first release - next week?

 

[Deniz31]

I always thought economic success of this game is due to right pricing (most of developers are so greedy that they release their games to huge tiers but you can get this one for 1$ with a small delay) and good marketing (social media presence, presentation of the game etc.)
If you check the amount of supporters you can see the pattern.

1$ supporters ≈ %62,4

5$ supporters ≈ %31

10$ supporters ≈ %6,3

20$ supporters ≈ %0.3

Most of them are on lowest tier so they don't care much if they get something or not.

Talked about developer, now even though we always complain why are we here?
There is not much competition, closest game to this one gets developed so slow that this game might count as fast development compared to it.

 

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Genuine questions:

#1 Do you think you could do better? If so why not make a similar game (the tools they use are freely available) and rake in the same or presumably more money because your game is so much better. I would genuinely be interested to play your game. Do it, please!

#2 Or, on reflection, do you think this is more difficult than giving a lazy/troublesome employee a warning?

#3 Or do you think giving a creative type deadlines doesn't always work? How's GRRM's TWOW going? How's the Star Citizen PU going?

Genuinely interested in your answers. Maybe tomorrow you start work on a very similar game that is better in every way. Maybe not. I know I couldn't do it. But maybe you could - when's your first release - next week?

#1 I'm not sure if I could do better, I could probably push out more consistent updates with (arguably) less quality because I value consistency over "first time perfection". What I do know is that I have a full time job that doesn't really leave me with much time or mental energy and creativity to dedicate to a project like this

#2 See above.

#3 I mean, you're using two of the worst examples (or best, if the argument is "projects that never end"). How about the many kickstarter games that ship on time (or at worst, a few months late)? How about Stephen King publishing a new book pretty much every year for the past 40+ years?

Seriously, the "WELL WHY DON'T YOU DO IT" argument is so silly. I don't need to be an expert chef to know when some food is raw, or dry. I might also not have the time to devote to learning how to consistently cook something to perfection.

 

[Arkady]

#1 Do you think you could do better? If so why not make a similar game (the tools they use are freely available) and rake in the same or presumably more money because your game is so much better. I would genuinely be interested to play your game. Do it, please!

That's not an argument, and you know it. You know it because you have without a shadow of a doubt at some point in your life criticized someone for doing a bad job at something you can't do better, just know someone else who could do it better. So don't be that hypocrite resorting to a troll's pseudo-argument despite knowing its fatal flaw.

Anyways, Crush. Upon coloser examination, he clearly can write a text to a deadline and publish it when it is good enough. If he really were as totally incapable of that as he constantly pretends, he couldn't possibly keep up his cycle of endless weekly Patreon posts full of excuses, let's call a spade a spade, shit.

But Deniz31 has a good point. So many patrons at the lowest tier, chances are a lot of them are just in it for the entertainment of the well-written weekly fictitious accounts of how hard he worked on not getting anything done. That is indeed entertainment in its own right, and I probably should consider supporting that.

Then again, I know plenty of creatives that will actually deliver goods for my money in a timely fashion. So nuts to Crush getting any of it.

 

[D4n0w4r]

At this point it's more akin to a train wreck fascination. It's like watching yandev shoot himself in the foot, or the entire debacle with HTH and the various LoK projects that never go anywhere.

 

[CassieBare]

I would do it, unfortunately my skills end at writing. I could pick up some of the rest, but not art or coding fast enough make a product. I've tried multiple times to assemble a team, but art is where I come up short.

 

[TrustyOldPatches]

I would do it, unfortunately my skills end at writing. I could pick up some of the rest, but not art or coding fast enough make a product. I've tried multiple times to assemble a team, but art is where I come up short.

I would be willing to do the renders for a game like this one, as they shouldn't take too much time from my own projects, and the code in twine shouldn't be too hard either. I'll pm you with some of my art.

 

[Deleted member 14950]

Seriously, the "WELL WHY DON'T YOU DO IT" argument is so silly.

Okay, our Boeings 737 Max has been falling from the skies because we outsource software for junior Indian developers for 7$ hour salary, why don't you go and create your own airplane company? You could write your own software for it too!

It seems that some people will try to shut up anyone who tries to raise their head above the norms of conformity and attempt to engage in a intellectual process. Enjoy what you're given and stay silent, right.

Realistically, it comes down to encouraging unproductive behavior. See the famous "Day in the life of Twitter employee with a 6 figure salary". So, people who claim "Why are you counting my money?" doesn't understand how their financial decisions affect others pastime activities. I don't think we have any leverage to improve current situation. But I'm just tired of seeing, honestly speaking, great ideas that are going trough a development hell or even abandoned altogether. That's one way to grow an apathy.

 

[rbx4]

Hey it's coming full circle. Some here have probably seen all this before and been through it. For anyone who hasn't: some hundreds of deleted posts would be very much like the past 2 or 3 pages. Most likely some "mysterious personality" will show up and argue endlessly with those who have been criticizing Crush, and there will be mass deletions. Been there, seen that.

 

[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

Hey it's coming full circle. Some here have probably seen all this before and been through it. For anyone who hasn't: some hundreds of deleted posts would be very much like the past 2 or 3 pages. Most likely some "mysterious personality" will show up and argue endlessly with those who have been criticizing Crush, and there will be mass deletions. Been there, seen that.

Probably going to happen with the next release. Next release might come with a purge of negative comments - sorry, I mean, "trolling comments that don't add to the conversation".

 

[Lux37]

I always thought economic success of this game is due to right pricing (most of developers are so greedy that they release their games to huge tiers but you can get this one for 1$ with a small delay) and good marketing (social media presence, presentation of the game etc.)
If you check the amount of supporters you can see the pattern.

1$ supporters ≈ %62,4

5$ supporters ≈ %31

10$ supporters ≈ %6,3

20$ supporters ≈ %0.3

Most of them are on lowest tier so they don't care much if they get something or not.

Talked about developer, now even though we always complain why are we here?
There is not much competition, closest game to this one gets developed so slow that this game might count as fast development compared to it.

What is the name of the other game? i want to play it.

 

[okokok]

What is the name of the other game? i want to play it.

They might be referring to agent of heels but it's hard to call that comparable really. The games don't have a lot in common

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Not much to go now, maybe crush will be done this year but wouldn't bet my house on it

 

[Deniz31]

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Hey guys! Just finished polishing up sex scene 2C. Here's the board:

I'm gonna move straight onto the final scene, and will report here when it's done.

 

[boobthief]

Seriously, the "WELL WHY DON'T YOU DO IT" argument is so silly. I don't need to be an expert chef to know when some food is raw, or dry. I might also not have the time to devote to learning how to consistently cook something to perfection.

But did you pay expert chef prices for your food?

If you did then, presumably in most parts of the world, you know that $20 per head does not promise culinary ecstasy, ephemeral or otherwise.

You are half way to agreeing with me. I accept that I couldn't make this game. Accept you can't either... and that we would both like a lot more progress a lot sooner but maybe this is just what it takes. We are both here discussing it - so we are waiting for it - but I don't want to make it and you don't want to make it - so we sit and wait for our proven chef?

 

[boobthief]

Okay, our Boeings 737 Max has been falling from the skies because we outsource software for junior Indian developers for 7$ hour salary, why don't you go and create your own airplane company? You could write your own software for it too!

It seems that some people will try to shut up anyone who tries to raise their head above the norms of conformity and attempt to engage in a intellectual process. Enjoy what you're given and stay silent, right.

Realistically, it comes down to encouraging unproductive behavior. See the famous "Day in the life of Twitter employee with a 6 figure salary". So, people who claim "Why are you counting my money?" doesn't understand how their financial decisions affect others pastime activities. I don't think we have any leverage to improve current situation. But I'm just tired of seeing, honestly speaking, great ideas that are going trough a development hell or even abandoned altogether. That's one way to grow an apathy.

No.

737 Max failure was a corporate decision based on the cost of training vs

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The fact that you blame that corporate bullshit on 'junior Indian developers for 7$ hour salary' speaks volumes about your egregious ignorance.

Again, I cannot understand your misplaced anger that is predicated on ignorance.

Do you have any comments specific to this game?

 

[boobthief]

That's not an argument, and you know it. You know it because you have without a shadow of a doubt at some point in your life criticized someone for doing a bad job at something you can't do better, just know someone else who could do it better. So don't be that hypocrite resorting to a troll's pseudo-argument despite knowing its fatal flaw.

Oh, it is a valid argument. I make a point that if I criticize someone's efforts that I better be damn sure I could do it better.

If I make a point to an electrician/plumber that I didn't like their work it is because I have a problem with their efforts. It shouldn't be surprising to you that people want to put in the minimum effort to get paid.

It is far easier to half-ass finish something but this is clearly not what this developer is doing. So it's easier to just release something on time. But they didn't. So how do you explain that?

 

[rbx4]

I've had various different bosses over years, and they discussed progress with me as bosses should. However, none of my bosses (*since my early 20s) had ever been able to do my job better than I do.

Additional details: They all wanted it done faster. I was almost always on time.

I doubt that many other people's experience is radically different from what I just posted, and I would be absolutely shocked if I was the only one who could say any of that. Also I think the conversation is so silly that it would make the thread better once it's deleted in a few days or so. I can't imagine someone refusing to tell George R.R. Martin that he could finish "The Winds of Winter" sooner to suit their tastes, simply because he's a better writer.

**Also don't think I'm comparing you to Martin, Crush, except for how you are both quite slow in recent years.

***Additionally, this conversation has been had before, and all points have been answered before, but it was deleted.

 

[cheesepie]

I make a point that if I criticize someone's efforts that I better be damn sure I could do it better.

That's not a healthy way of thinking, stranger. There are things that are pretty self evident, e.g. none of us are playing in the World Cup but are we allowed an opinion on the matches? I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, but obviously a qualified opinion carries more weight. Heck, there's literally a whole industry doing reviews (food, film, art critics etc) who cannot exceed the level of the artist.

Long story short, critics exist but main difference is being able to sift through what's constructive criticism. So far, I'm reading the main issue is timeliness, not quality. What's unfair about that? The logical fix would be better project management, not asking the critic to become a writer eh? It's how you respond that leads to growth, like Messi overcoming hormone and height deficiency. But let's be frank, this isn't ever meant to be Shakespeare.

Quality is subjective but quantity is measurable. Please Crush, if you're reading this, aim for a balance between the 2? It's disappointing to come back here to read yet another delay for a release due Sept (his own plan, unless I'm imagining things). He's already broken the report to task level, only thing missing is setting actual dates to each task. E.g. For release in Sept, scene 1 deadline needs to be 1 Aug latest. SMART goals, go Google them.

My qualification to make this comment is I'm old enough to fap, so have met enough deadlines to understand what is accountability. Hope that's good enough? Of course, the alternative is to get Crush to reveal his qualifications then we get into pissing contest of who has the best literature degree?

 

[Kevin Smarts]

Oh, it is a valid argument. I make a point that if I criticize someone's efforts that I better be damn sure I could do it better.

If I make a point to an electrician/plumber that I didn't like their work it is because I have a problem with their efforts. It shouldn't be surprising to you that people want to put in the minimum effort to get paid.

It is far easier to half-ass finish something but this is clearly not what this developer is doing. So it's easier to just release something on time. But they didn't. So how do you explain that?

I've recieved criticism for my electrical work, my plumbing and my game making form many people who could not do it nearly as well as me. Now sure most of the time they were wrong and I've either explained that to them, ignored them or been rude to them depending on circumstances but you know what? Sometimes they have been correct, its difficult to then admit that despite my brilliance (that's a lot to despite right there) I am not always perfect and some times people can see through the cracks and tell me (yes, me) that I could be doing something better and I could.It is only due to my world leading humility that I am able to admit to these rare and I'm sure surprising flaws. I hope that one day Crush can humble brag as wonderfully as I can but I fear he lacks the talent that oozes from me (sometimes as an inexplicable green slime).

I do understand that you will find a reply to this hard as you only critize those you can out do and I am such a paradigm of human virtue, so as the soul human capable of doing anything better than me I will reply on your behalf...

Kevin you are a dick, stop telling everyone how great you are, you suck. I hate you and your mum is a slut, I hope you die.

As you can see, I captured your tone perfectly. Now if you wish you my bask in my glory but no more than 5 minutes, others are waiting.