Νømad

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It´s still there - to agility check... well... make saves beforehand and... pray to lady luck that u will manage "the right throw" quickly. I spent almost 10 minutes with that once (bad day even when chilling with games - lol)
If by "right throw" you mean making a failure agility check (result of 1 with the dice), I already tried that multiple times. And if Danny catches you (otherwise it's game over), it gave me a choice to answer with "Yeah" or "Don't let go". I tried both but seems that it changes absolutely nothing.

So, if you mean that I've to do what I already tried, the only thing that I can think of is that there is another hidden stat somewhere that prevent me from unlock it somehow.
 

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Is there multiple paths in the game now? I followed the corruption path and whatever variations I did (like faking pill vs swallowing it) didn't seem to make any difference. Is there any point in replaying the game? Or is the content more or less the same irrespective of the choice?

I like how the corruption path develops. Hope there will also be a path to complete mission without having to compromise much (at least in future).
 

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I think this is a fair point. I do like the current masturbation scenes as is because they keep the pace up and show off the corruption taking hold, i.e. right now it's fantasy so it's indulged, but down the line it will be realized. I feel like all of the touristy asides give us enough pause in action so as not to make the story feel rushed. But if we had more of what you described at first and moved the current masturbation scenes to later in the story it would work quite well.

One reason for the more rushed corruption is the premise of a secret agent being sent in to infiltrate. She's not some young lady, on her own, trying to get by. She can leave any time she wants. And, avoiding spoilers, to maintain verisimilitude we have to acknowledge that no intelligence service is going to let an agent slut around for months accomplishing nothing. So there is only so much slow burn that could be fit in.
Yes, I get why you can't slow down the corruption too much. The agency could keep her undercover for 6 to 12 months, but probably it's not going to happen if they know everything. That is why I don't like that everyone has access to the security live feed. The agent is under a microscope. She can't do shit without a bunch of CIA guys knowing about it. I can't even imagine a scenario in which she gets the green light for a bargirl job. Unless they say ok, be a bargirl and a week later the Devilfish ends up in the club, they grab him and that is it. The story is over.

Hell, it is an undercover mission with limited backup. The agent should go in and send what intel she gathers when she can. Add roadblocks along the way, to disrupt the communication with the agency. Move the agent out from the motel; make her stay with another bargirl. That way she won't go out for a stroll and spend the next two days in the safehouse. Take her phone away. No more safe communication with the team. Go to basic stuff, ping once a day to let them know that you are ok. Drop the intel somewhere in the city or have brief conversation with the rest of the team, once a week. You can also add stuff like:
- the Thai OC suspects something is up, you need to go dark for a few weeks
- the CIA wants to shut down the mission after 6 months; however Clark has some other ideas. He is too close to give up now. He will keep you undercover and pretend that everything is still ok, while he tries to change the agency mind about the mission. That could go on for 3 months and after that, voila, the mission is extended for another 6 months.
- another idea to extend the mission; maybe keeping the agent undercover proves to be a better solution of extracting information out of the Devilfish.

There is so much potential in this game to actually write a good corruption story.
 

XJ347

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Yes, I get why you can't slow down the corruption too much.
Another option Crush might take is that the new girl takes your job as a bartender... You either move up or are forced out without your Visa. It feels like they are pushing you into whoring soonish. Which is why you met with the Madam.

Therefore to maintain your cover, you have to whore. From a story standpoint it NEEDS to be forced on her or the CIA would be confused. She can't just whore out of no reason, even if you are role playing her as a total slut.
 

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Another option Crush might take is that the new girl takes your job as a bartender... You either move up or are forced out without your Visa. It feels like they are pushing you into whoring soonish. Which is why you met with the Madam.

Therefore to maintain your cover, you have to whore. From a story standpoint it NEEDS to be forced on her or the CIA would be confused. She can't just whore out of no reason, even if you are role playing her as a total slut.
is not total slut, im playing that "route", but its a roleplay, like she is a super patriot agent, she knows what she has to do for her country, and if that means abuse drugs, alcohol, suck cocks in an alley, and whore herself out, she will do it bc she loves her country
 

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Absolutely shameful and I'm not talking about the author, I mean the poor suckers who keep feeding this sham.
It's true that people have one unifying trait. It's not love, not a thirst for freedom, not brotherhood and sisterhood. It's a willingness to toss their money into the fire if they have any. On the bright side, there are far worse things to fund than dysfunctional development cycles.

There are better things to fund too, but who does good things? Boring, that. In one case, I stopped funding a project because they did a lot of something that I didn't enjoy. If you do nothing, or very little, it avoids that problem.
 
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ffive

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From a story standpoint it NEEDS to be forced on her or the CIA would be confused. She can't just whore out of no reason, even if you are role playing her as a total slut.
Pretty much. In the girls night out scene the bargirls ask MC about her possibly joining them, and one of the answers you can give is amenable "i'm thinking about it" which is followed by internal monologue "Can't imagine CTC greenlighting that".
 

vicaddict

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You must have access to some special secret game build, because in the regular game 3 weeks in the heroine is still working at the bar while her brothel supervisors are unsubtly tempting her to switch jobs.
She was sent in as a bar girl, gets raped and creampied during her job interview and doesn't flinch or care in the slightest. She has sex with her boss every time he wants in his office and event went on a date. Of course it endet it sex. Now she is partying with the other bar girls, taking drugs and hooking up with other people. And we haven't even mentioned the Max-from-Sweden-Dubai-episode inbetween story archs.

How would you describe the Heroines behaviour, if not whorish? The corruption takes place way too fast and without any resistance. That is my main issue. The game has dice rolls, it has skills, it has kinks and now we have some sort of suspision mechanic and none of it matters. None of it offers different choices.

The game doesn't make use of any of these mechanics in a meaningful way. And it's not hard to do so. Remember the scene from the college lifepath where the Heroine was playing games with three of her male friends and ended up giving a blowjob to anyone who wanted one?

Why not have the guys ask her to show them her tits? If she's an exhibitionist, make her do it, or make her roll a dice, if she wants to refuse. Have them ask to show her pussy after that. Another roll of the dice, if you don't want to go that route. Make them ask her to let them touch her. Another roll. If she's promiscuous she's willing go give a BJ or two. Maybe she asks for money and if she's a sub, she backs down from it. Maybe she gets a negative modifier for everything because she's a sub. Maybe the guys even want to go further and want to fuck her. Again, she can do it, or refuse. Maybe they force/rape her anyway and she slikes it, which leads to getting the masochist kink?

There is so much you can do with the kinks, the skills and even the dice rolls. Yet, Crush barely does anything with this stuff and what he does is meaningless. You could do so many different things for most scenes, just by including the mechanics that he wants to be in the game.

By doing that, not only would make use of the mechanics and justify having them in the game to begin with, it would also add some element of roleplay. It would add depth and dimension. It wouldgive the player a reason to play the game again, using different kinks or routes. None of that is a thing.
 

yazda

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Is there multiple paths in the game now? I followed the corruption path and whatever variations I did (like faking pill vs swallowing it) didn't seem to make any difference. Is there any point in replaying the game? Or is the content more or less the same irrespective of the choice?

I like how the corruption path develops. Hope there will also be a path to complete mission without having to compromise much (at least in future).
There are some differences. for example when you call the bouncer for help Tip will beat you and Connor will threaten to fire you.
 

ffive

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She was sent in as a bar girl, gets raped and creampied during her job interview and doesn't flinch or care in the slightest. She has sex with her boss every time he wants in his office and event went on a date. Of course it endet it sex. Now she is partying with the other bar girls, taking drugs and hooking up with other people. And we haven't even mentioned the Max-from-Sweden-Dubai-episode inbetween story archs.

How would you describe the Heroines behaviour, if not whorish?
The game has 4 different ways to describe it, as it happens:

* crusader, idealistic and loyal
* waif, dutiful and resilient
* alpha female, headstrong and assertive
* femme fatale, enigmatic and manipulative

these are archetypes which can be adopted as motivation for your character. She's an intelligence agent sent for undercover work to a brothel, a place where the boss routinely ends his day fucking girls working there and which treats women as meat with holes. When she gets questioned by her CIA handler on what she's done you can explain your reasoning in detail, and no "because i'm a whore and i like it" is not an option, nor does your MC has any internal thoughts to that effect regarding these things.

Oh, and a number of things you mention, like taking drugs and hooking up at the party, or "Max from Sweden" are entirely optional, you can fake or opt out of taking the drugs, and you can avoid any of that sexual content (sleep on the couch, resolve side mission during the dinner) These are decisions you make for your agent. But they do have logical explanations beyond "she's a whore" too, if you don't go for the prude route -- maintaining your cover, befriending people you're looking to turn into informants, executing mission in safer manner, etc.

It's also not true that the MC "doesn't flinch or care in the slightest". There're tons of passages with her internal thoughts how crazy the things she's participating in are. If you say she doesn't care i'll have to question just how many scenes you just skip without reading.
 
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vicaddict

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By the time she has her job interview and gets raped, she has no idea what actually happens inside the club, who is who and does what. At that point she is supposed to work as a barmaid and gets forced into sex in order to get the job. To justify that by calling her alpha female, headstrong or a whore is just semantics, don't you think? Kate was made a barmaid instead of a undercover whore for exactly the reason that Crush wanted a bit more wiggle room for character development aka corruption. And yet, from day one she is forced into sex with no other option.

Sure, you can avoid some sex scenes, but the alternative is usually a masturbation scene or no scene at all. You either do it, or miss out on the little bit of content there is. I admit, the current update was much bigger than I expected it to be, but that was literally the first time in like forever. I usually save and reload scenes before making a decision and they usually end up the same way. Just take the scene where the Heroine is getting inside the drug dealers car to get the delivery. Whatever you chose, you end up blowing him.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why most scenes end in sex, this is a porn game after all, but for a game that was supposed to give options and still holds up the illusion, you rarely ever get an outcome where you feel rewarded by not going the slut route. In fact I can't think of a single scene where that's the case.
 
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Yeah, for the time being it's pretty railroaded. Last I played it, I was looking forward to trying out a "perfect playthrough" but I found out pretty quick that it's not possible at all. If you're not willing to spread your legs and be a good little slut, you miss out on a lot of content and it's unrewarded. This is one of the few games where I was pretty engaged with the plot more than the sex scenes too which is a shame. For the time being, being a cool agent femme fatale is impossible.
 
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ffive

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By the time she has her job interview and gets raped, she has no idea what actually happens inside the club, who is who and does what.
They tell you right at the start during your initial meeting in Scotland that it's "a strip club with a bar and a brothel". In the red light district in Bangkok. Run by organized crime syndicate. You'd need to be literally braindead not to expect what actually happens inside the club, or what sort of hiring interview you're getting. And the MC isn't braindead.

Btw, it's a minor point, but it's not a rape. If the MC objects, you get a scene where you need to consent, or have option to abort the mission by refusal.

At that point she is supposed to work as a barmaid and gets forced into sex in order to get the job. To justify that by calling her alpha female, headstrong or a whore is just semantics, don't you think?
No, i don't think it's semantics to make distinction between intelligence agent maintaining cover of a desperate girl trying to get/keep a cheap job by all means possible, including sex with her boss when he demands it, and a whore. Calling her a whore is also plain wrong -- the actual whores working in the club are doing much more sex work than the MC who is working as a barmaid. Everybody in the club acknowledges she isn't a whore, and some of these people are trying to convince her to become one.

Just take the scene where the Heroine is getting inside the drug dealers car to get the delivery. Whatever you chose, you end up blowing him.
That scene has explicit developer commentary at the end, that it will receive a path where you can avoid blowing the dealer. That you'd omit this information in your argument is a rather poor form.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why most scenes end in sex, this is a porn game after all, but for a game that was supposed to give options and still holds up the illusion, you rarely ever get an outcome where you feel rewarded by not going the slut route. In fact I can't think of a single scene where that's the case.
I don't really get your logic here -- the reward for avoiding sex the MC didn't want should be exactly that, knowing that you've managed to avoid the situation the MC did not want to participate in, without sabotaging your mission in the process. If you don't think acting like professional agent is of any worth, are you playing this game for anything at all but cheap thrill of fuck scenes?
 
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berny

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Yes, I agree. The whole agent thing is pretty misleading and that's pretty disappointing. Instead of using sex to manipulate people and use it to get results (or at least have this approach as an option), this turned out to be a pretty run-off-the-mill corruption story.

I'm not even against forced sex scenes per se in this scenario, but so far roleplaying a goal-oriented agent is pretty much impossible. And I agree with vicaddict, so far the different archetypes are just semantics without meaning. Like the suspicion level or the affection, the idea is good, but unless there are actual consequences it's meaningless. And yeah sure, the consequences might come later (I'm sure that's the plan), but the game has yet to show that any of these systems actually do anything other than looking good on paper.
 

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Downloading the game currently results in many missing textures. I'm guessing the old version had visual assets included, and when the link was updated these weren't transferred over. Is there a way to get them now?

As for the ongoing big brained high IQ philosophical discussions:
Yes, the game has basically zero choice, and you always walk the same path with minor looks into narrow alleys along it.
Yes, the main protagonist (if the player chooses certain dialogue options) basically gets raped and that's not very alpha Chad 007 experience. On the other hand, if you pick the options to be into it, it can be seen to be such? At any rate, it happens regardless what you choose, which links to the previous issue.
And the main problem is that an earlier version of this game seemed to have more branches, and people took that as a promise. Maybe the author just wants to write a spicy spy novel instead, and interactivity isn't to be expected. Should probably disclose that, and should probably spend less effort on developing customization and RPG "mechanics" (currently just UI design elements) that hint at choices.
 
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ffive

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And the main problem is that an earlier version of this game seemed to have more branches, and people took that as a promise
Not sure where people would be getting this idea from. I've played this 1.17 first, then went back and checked older instances out of curiosity. Bulk of the older versions is "create your character" which ultimately completely doesn't matter, then you get a "mission" to pick up three guys over three nights, and then the "Max from Sweden" mission which doesn't even have the current option to play it without the sex. And that's the end of it. There's no branching to speak of, not any more than what this version offers.
 
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