_Zebra_

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It's like asking why movie directors bother to make storyboards instead of just shooting their movie directly, without any pre-planning or script.

(a sketch/outline for the story might require some time to make, but it allows to easily spot potential issues with pacing and such, and get it right --or at least better-- without wasting more time on rewriting already fully detailed piece)

edit: another factor to consider, this kind of a draft allows to potentially use writing AI as a tool to quickly expand the content to final form. Something novel authors have been experimenting with for a while now.
But it's not a sketch or outline, it's a 1:1 copy. Twine already comes with a user interface that allows you to move the boards around. If you think that a page is missing, you can add it without issues.

If that is not enough, I guess you could continue with power point, because you can see everything without clicking on a specific board. But 30 minutes just to copy the text, to add the path of an image and to add the name of the next paragraph. Way too much! At least write a script that creates the pages using the power point content (saved as rtf). If done right, you just need to go back and add the pictures; overall, you'll finish in a day, not 3 weeks.
 

ffive

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But it's not a sketch or outline, it's a 1:1 copy. Twine already comes with a user interface that allows you to move the boards around. If you think that a page is missing, you can add it without issues.
Well, it's not exactly the same when you look closely. I think having the storyboard as slides can be useful in itself, because you skip recompilations just to see your changes reflected and such. IIRC the developer isn't using Twine editor anymore because it's turned out too cumbersome in the long run, so it's likely done with VS Code or similar tools.

(or i could be confusing it with another game/developer, not 100% sure about this one)

If that is not enough, I guess you could continue with power point, because you can see everything without clicking on a specific board. But 30 minutes just to copy the text, to add the path of an image and to add the name of the next paragraph. Way too much!
I think you've lost me here. Leaving aside this isn't "just copying the text" because it does get ultimately cleaned up/reworded, where did you take those 30 minutes needed, from? If you're presuming that based on dividing 40-hour work week per number of converted boards, then i believe that's unwarranted, as i don't think this was the only thing the developer spent their time on the entire week.
 

boobthief

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Yeah I also have to disagree, I think planning and pre-writing is good for a lot of reasons. The only difference is that it might waste more time doing it in any sort of digital form vs. on paper. (Though that's arguable, it might be faster to write on paper, but harder to transfer after).

But perhaps this method allows Crush to see the overall look and feel of each scene more closely to how it would appear in the game. As well as being more easily transmissible to the game (copy/paste etc). And like-wise it allows Crush to show his work and process to patreons. So it helps with giving the development some transparency which is nice.

But either way I think the time spent is worth it in this aspect. I'm sure there is probably more tangible ways to improve development times that we're not aware of. Like I'm sure crush is unintentionally losing a lot of time somewhere, but it's probably unrelated to this process, and more about how he writes, or edits, or rewrites the same scene 10 times sometimes, which IMO is a bigger problem that needs to somehow become less frequent.

Keep in mind crush was never doing this in the past and update times were 8 months+ for awhile. So this technique has probably helped his writing and helped him to improve the speed at which good writing happens. And unlike L&P from AWAM, the developer here has actually improved the speed at which updates happen while also ramping up the quality of the game. That should be acknowledged. There is always room for improvement though.
Agree!

If something isn't delivering then change it up and try something different.

There will always be inexperienced project management types who think nine women can give birth to a baby in one month. That's not how it works!

If it makes the creator-writer happier making content then that's a Big Fucking Win for us (and them).
 

ffive

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Is there a way to give our agent more than one kink in the character creation?
Either using Patreon edition which doesn't have restriction of one kink, or you can add it after character creation -- open Developer Console by pressing Shift+Ctrl+J and type

SugarCube.State.variables.kate.kinks.push("xxx")

where xxx is the name of kink you want: exhibitionist masochist or submissive

Then press Enter. Might want to save your game at this point, since loading earlier save will erase your change.
 

JustForPorn12

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Mar 24, 2018
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Here's an unlocked version of 1.17.2
It's modified HTML from the public version but should work exactly like the patreon one.
Large tits, back buttons and multiple kinks work. Enjoy :)
~~I can't seem to get the create character button to work with this at all Nevermind, used different browser.
 

S8N69

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Mar 18, 2018
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i can confirm that different browsers have their own issues with this. i play on brave browser, based on chromium (same as google chrome) and it works fine, but i first tried the non-modified version on firefox and the dice roll gave me an error. try brave if nothing else works for you.

remember that what i provided above is only the html file which you cannot use without the rest of the files, so download the full locked game files from the page 1 links and just replace the file i provided in the folder.
 

The Stream

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Here's an unlocked version of 1.17.2
It's modified HTML from the public version but should work exactly like the patreon one.
Large tits, back buttons and multiple kinks work. Enjoy :)
It works fine for me using Firefox but I have had problems with other HTML games that Chrome solved.
 

SuperMaxo

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i can confirm that different browsers have their own issues with this. i play on brave browser, based on chromium (same as google chrome) and it works fine, but i first tried the non-modified version on firefox and the dice roll gave me an error. try brave if nothing else works for you.

remember that what i provided above is only the html file which you cannot use without the rest of the files, so download the full locked game files from the page 1 links and just replace the file i provided in the folder.
The full Patreon version can be found at kemono.party…
 
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Deaviannard

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Breaking my year-long lurk mode because of this "game." Because he's jumped on several of my hot buttons. This guy is an example of why I don't buy erotica games; they're almost always either a scam, or bad. I found a reference to FA a few days ago. Checking here, I saw it had started in 2017. And the version number was over 1.0.

So I though "okay, it's html, it's been out (counts on fingers) like six years or something, there's some sort of story." Maybe not a good one, most erotica/porn games don't have a story, because *everyone* thinks writing is easy, but I checked it out. It started okay, so I kept going.

Except nothing happens. It doesn't go anywhere. No story, no plot. Then it just ends with "hey, here's my Patreon, give me money" and that's it. What - the - hell?

So he’s either scammer coasting off the “hey, they’ll stay signed up paying me each month, yippie”, which is the most likely scenario. Or he’s just a crappy wanna be who claims to be a writer but doesn’t know how to actually write. Let’s assume he’s honest and address that lack of skill, and not the scammy part where he might just be lying.

Writing is hard. It just is. The fact that it only takes a keyboard, and not coding or art knowledge, doesn’t make it easy. FA’s “writer” is doing exactly what every non-writer does. He sat down with some basic idea that he thought was cool, and started writing. And when you’re in the beginning, it’s “easy” because you just keep world building. Each scene is just you going “here’s this thing, I describe the thing, here’s people at the thing, describe them, here’s their goal, describe that.” Nothing but wiki entries, only easy, effortless world building without story to connect it into a narrative.

His idea is “there’s this bar, let me describe naked women and creepy guys, and there’s rock music lyrics I’ll steal and put in my game, and the same with some nude pop star pics.” Just every five or so screens, “no Devilfish yet.” Mixed in with trite, rote, repetitious “I’m so embarrassed, I’m so exposed, oh God everyone sees my tits” stuff. Later it’s “oh God, everyone back at intel HQ sees my tits, sees me fuck, I’m so embarrassed.”

Six years of this? Lying about it being past version 1.0? World building is not storytelling. DND players world build. Because world building is easy. You just make up wiki entries for your fantasy city, your fantasy character, the fantasy mayor, the fantasy captain of the guard. What is FA doing? Making up extremely slim wiki entries for a Thai brothel topless bar, a Thai gangster type, an Ex-Pat OC sub-lieutenant creep, a few “personalities” for regular customers, a couple of topless waitresses and bargirls. All world building. No story. Just wiki entries.

It kept mentioning “side quest opened” and I was like, okay, stuff should soon be happening. Three of those opened. Nope.

I truly, honestly, figured I’d see this MC go through probably several cities. Jetting around the globe doing sexy spy stuff; sexing up bad guys to take them down.

After the initial setup I thought she’d infiltrate and keep her cover because she actually goes through with stuff, instead of trying to beg off and stay clothed, not fuck, like a “real agent” would. Because she goes “all the way” she’d keep her cover intact, and be able to find the dirt on these cardboard cutout “characters” and start connecting dots. The gangster would be put under surveillance. She’d tap his phone (hint, hint; we could use that useless Sam-fuck scene to mean something other than just empty porn), and maybe do the same at the club, and to her creep boss. Phone calls and texts and hacking the computer and all that, and a picture gets built. They find out about The Meeting or whatever.

Then CIA would come in and whamo, she’s getting big time pats on the back because she did the dirty and got the job done. A guy couldn’t infiltrate a topless bar. Not even as a customer. Some jobs a woman can do where a man can’t, and a woman will also often go unnoticed because “she’s just a woman” which is fun to use in a story. When you see big, tough guys get upstaged by “just a woman.” That’s always good fun in a story.

Her bosses could be like, we can use a woman like you dear, let’s put you on our taskforce payroll because it’s big old world out there and there are lots of bad guys to catch. You’re willing to put yourself out there and help us nail some of those bad guys, even if they have to nail you first. Let’s go, there’s a world to save.

I figured she’d next go undercover to infiltrate some other group, maybe by being inserted as a new love interest for a gangster or a terrorist or something. Track him down, get herself noticed by him, reel him in, become his girlfriend. Seduce him, cozy up to him. Get to hang on his arm (while fucking, of course, because porn), and start connecting those dots. Drugs, nukes, money laundering, whatever; doesn’t matter. Just something. She’d be schmoozing and loving some clueless violent dickhead, but it would go somewhere. Then, again, dots get connected and whamo, SpecOps comes in and does the takedown. Maybe she could hold the guy at gunpoint, or shoot him before he can flee.

Then basically repeat that some. Or we could get “clever” and there’s a mole in CIA or MI6 or something. So she goes undercover there. Cozies up to an assistant department head or something, a congressional oversight committee’s aide. Something. Spy stuff, creeping around, tapping phones and computers, hacking maybe, poison a few people so they miss an important meeting and her or her ‘love interest’ can go so more dots get connected. Whamo, another day saved.

Instead, this completely pathetic nothing. Six years of nothing, no story, no anything. Empty, casual, incomplete world building that’s barely any sort of world, that goes nowhere, says nothing, and does nothing. What – the – hell. Why don’t I pay for porn games? This garbage right here. Six years. Nothing. He’s milking people too dumb to read their credit card statements, or he’s so inept he can’t even see it or know what’s wrong or how to fix it.

Hire a writer. Or stop lying about being one. If you’re just a programmer, say that. If all you can do is photoshop pictures, or digitally paint, say that. Writing isn’t this casual, last second thing. You don’t have to polish each sentence so it drips with symbolism and layered meaning, but you have to **write** a **story**. And have something to say.

There’s a story in a female femme fatale idea. There’s thousands of stories in that. Some of them are even suitable for porn, so we can splash in tons of naked women and hot sex and all the other stuff one goes looking for when they think “hmm, a porn game, that might be something I’m interested in.” But this garbage here, where there’s no story? It’s insulting. It’s annoying.

And don’t say it’s version 1.0 when it ain’t. The one thing I rely on when I skim through “games” is looking for ones that are complete or nearly completely. I really, really hate incomplete, or half-baked stuff, where it’s “my new game, version 0.01.” F95 is littered with stuff like that, where the programmer or whoever got annoyed no one was lining up to pay for their grand opus right off the bat with no content and abandoned it. Six years old and past version 1.0? Seemed safe. Instead, I’m typing this because wow am I annoyed.

Shame. For shame. You are bad, and should feel bad. I really hope you do. Take a storytelling course. They exist. Study on Youtube or via podcasts. Writing is a skill. Storytelling is a skill. You can’t cram stuff into a day or two when you don’t know how, and even if you did, it still takes longer than “wow, it’s been four months since I promised they’d get new content, I should ‘dash something off this weekend’ so they keep paying me.”

Instead, I suspect FA guy will just, probably through a sock puppet account, post one of the dozens of "hahahah counting my money" memes and flame me.
 

lifegetsweird

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Breaking my year-long lurk mode because of this "game." Because he's jumped on several of my hot buttons. This guy is an example of why I don't buy erotica games; they're almost always either a scam, or bad. I found a reference to FA a few days ago. Checking here, I saw it had started in 2017. And the version number was over 1.0.

So I though "okay, it's html, it's been out (counts on fingers) like six years or something, there's some sort of story." Maybe not a good one, most erotica/porn games don't have a story, because *everyone* thinks writing is easy, but I checked it out. It started okay, so I kept going.

Except nothing happens. It doesn't go anywhere. No story, no plot. Then it just ends with "hey, here's my Patreon, give me money" and that's it. What - the - hell?

So he’s either scammer coasting off the “hey, they’ll stay signed up paying me each month, yippie”, which is the most likely scenario. Or he’s just a crappy wanna be who claims to be a writer but doesn’t know how to actually write. Let’s assume he’s honest and address that lack of skill, and not the scammy part where he might just be lying.

Writing is hard. It just is. The fact that it only takes a keyboard, and not coding or art knowledge, doesn’t make it easy. FA’s “writer” is doing exactly what every non-writer does. He sat down with some basic idea that he thought was cool, and started writing. And when you’re in the beginning, it’s “easy” because you just keep world building. Each scene is just you going “here’s this thing, I describe the thing, here’s people at the thing, describe them, here’s their goal, describe that.” Nothing but wiki entries, only easy, effortless world building without story to connect it into a narrative.

His idea is “there’s this bar, let me describe naked women and creepy guys, and there’s rock music lyrics I’ll steal and put in my game, and the same with some nude pop star pics.” Just every five or so screens, “no Devilfish yet.” Mixed in with trite, rote, repetitious “I’m so embarrassed, I’m so exposed, oh God everyone sees my tits” stuff. Later it’s “oh God, everyone back at intel HQ sees my tits, sees me fuck, I’m so embarrassed.”

Six years of this? Lying about it being past version 1.0? World building is not storytelling. DND players world build. Because world building is easy. You just make up wiki entries for your fantasy city, your fantasy character, the fantasy mayor, the fantasy captain of the guard. What is FA doing? Making up extremely slim wiki entries for a Thai brothel topless bar, a Thai gangster type, an Ex-Pat OC sub-lieutenant creep, a few “personalities” for regular customers, a couple of topless waitresses and bargirls. All world building. No story. Just wiki entries.

It kept mentioning “side quest opened” and I was like, okay, stuff should soon be happening. Three of those opened. Nope.

I truly, honestly, figured I’d see this MC go through probably several cities. Jetting around the globe doing sexy spy stuff; sexing up bad guys to take them down.

After the initial setup I thought she’d infiltrate and keep her cover because she actually goes through with stuff, instead of trying to beg off and stay clothed, not fuck, like a “real agent” would. Because she goes “all the way” she’d keep her cover intact, and be able to find the dirt on these cardboard cutout “characters” and start connecting dots. The gangster would be put under surveillance. She’d tap his phone (hint, hint; we could use that useless Sam-fuck scene to mean something other than just empty porn), and maybe do the same at the club, and to her creep boss. Phone calls and texts and hacking the computer and all that, and a picture gets built. They find out about The Meeting or whatever.

Then CIA would come in and whamo, she’s getting big time pats on the back because she did the dirty and got the job done. A guy couldn’t infiltrate a topless bar. Not even as a customer. Some jobs a woman can do where a man can’t, and a woman will also often go unnoticed because “she’s just a woman” which is fun to use in a story. When you see big, tough guys get upstaged by “just a woman.” That’s always good fun in a story.

Her bosses could be like, we can use a woman like you dear, let’s put you on our taskforce payroll because it’s big old world out there and there are lots of bad guys to catch. You’re willing to put yourself out there and help us nail some of those bad guys, even if they have to nail you first. Let’s go, there’s a world to save.

I figured she’d next go undercover to infiltrate some other group, maybe by being inserted as a new love interest for a gangster or a terrorist or something. Track him down, get herself noticed by him, reel him in, become his girlfriend. Seduce him, cozy up to him. Get to hang on his arm (while fucking, of course, because porn), and start connecting those dots. Drugs, nukes, money laundering, whatever; doesn’t matter. Just something. She’d be schmoozing and loving some clueless violent dickhead, but it would go somewhere. Then, again, dots get connected and whamo, SpecOps comes in and does the takedown. Maybe she could hold the guy at gunpoint, or shoot him before he can flee.

Then basically repeat that some. Or we could get “clever” and there’s a mole in CIA or MI6 or something. So she goes undercover there. Cozies up to an assistant department head or something, a congressional oversight committee’s aide. Something. Spy stuff, creeping around, tapping phones and computers, hacking maybe, poison a few people so they miss an important meeting and her or her ‘love interest’ can go so more dots get connected. Whamo, another day saved.

Instead, this completely pathetic nothing. Six years of nothing, no story, no anything. Empty, casual, incomplete world building that’s barely any sort of world, that goes nowhere, says nothing, and does nothing. What – the – hell. Why don’t I pay for porn games? This garbage right here. Six years. Nothing. He’s milking people too dumb to read their credit card statements, or he’s so inept he can’t even see it or know what’s wrong or how to fix it.

Hire a writer. Or stop lying about being one. If you’re just a programmer, say that. If all you can do is photoshop pictures, or digitally paint, say that. Writing isn’t this casual, last second thing. You don’t have to polish each sentence so it drips with symbolism and layered meaning, but you have to **write** a **story**. And have something to say.

There’s a story in a female femme fatale idea. There’s thousands of stories in that. Some of them are even suitable for porn, so we can splash in tons of naked women and hot sex and all the other stuff one goes looking for when they think “hmm, a porn game, that might be something I’m interested in.” But this garbage here, where there’s no story? It’s insulting. It’s annoying.

And don’t say it’s version 1.0 when it ain’t. The one thing I rely on when I skim through “games” is looking for ones that are complete or nearly completely. I really, really hate incomplete, or half-baked stuff, where it’s “my new game, version 0.01.” F95 is littered with stuff like that, where the programmer or whoever got annoyed no one was lining up to pay for their grand opus right off the bat with no content and abandoned it. Six years old and past version 1.0? Seemed safe. Instead, I’m typing this because wow am I annoyed.

Shame. For shame. You are bad, and should feel bad. I really hope you do. Take a storytelling course. They exist. Study on Youtube or via podcasts. Writing is a skill. Storytelling is a skill. You can’t cram stuff into a day or two when you don’t know how, and even if you did, it still takes longer than “wow, it’s been four months since I promised they’d get new content, I should ‘dash something off this weekend’ so they keep paying me.”

Instead, I suspect FA guy will just, probably through a sock puppet account, post one of the dozens of "hahahah counting my money" memes and flame me.
It's absolutely true that the story is progressing slowly and the updates are too far apart, but I disagree with the idea that writing is only good or valid if the plot is advancing and action stuff is happening. The focus of FA is clearly on the psychology of the MC and that's valid too. It's not about Devilfish and the CIA, those are just set dressing--if you want a spy thriller, go read John Le Carré. This is an erotic story about the MC's progressive mental corruption from an empowered independent woman to a whore, and it's decently written for what it is.
 

greenballoon

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TL:DR, but okay okay, I skimmed so I read a little bit. I think you make some good points about taking courses, watching youtube videos etc. Crushstation actually talked to professional game writers and got advice from them over the phone. That's when I saw a big improvement in update times. I think I agree with you that he's not a professional writer and he could benefit from taking a course. With that said, not all writers started out with a university degree in writing. Many literally started by loving what they do and writing at home.

I don't think Crush is a scammer. And let me put this out there so other people who are considering developing a game and milking understand... Scamming/milking doesn't actually work as a business model. You do not make more money, the amount of money for work pay off is very bad, and there actually is no such thing as sitting on your ass doing nothing and getting paid. And most people who are true scammers usually get a lot of money at once, it lasts for a short time, and then they abandon the project or disappear, that is how a con works. You don't stick around forever.

The best way to make money is to make a good game. Crush's patreon $$ jumped from 3000 a month to 8000 the second he started improving the game and the update times. If he could get even faster update times he could probably hit 12,000$. The best way to make a lot of money is to have a solid reputation, not a reputation as a scammer, or a bad developer. The best way to make a lot of money is to finish a game. The completed game acts as free advertising for your next project, something that shows you complete the things you start and are less likely a scammer. The best way to develop is to complete a game. You don't want to spend 10 years on a project and your love for it becomes stale. You want to finish and work on other ideas. There's no such thing as 1 good idea, and it's the only idea that will ever make you money. This is the "logic" behind saying people are milking... but the 'grass is green wherever you water it'... there are many HTML games people would love to play and see existing, not just one about spy women. You can complete a game, and make tons of money, and you don't have to work your life away doing it. A slightly above average effort could achieve all of this, vs. sitting around doing nothing. You will feel happier, you will spend time doing things which as someone who spent 90% of their life doing nothing I can tell you spending time working feels better so long as you leave some room for other things in life. But the main point is that you can do this without being a workaholic, and it's way better than 'milking' as a lifestyle.

That being said I don't believe anything anyone says about themselves on the internet " I AM A LURKER FOR 1 YEAR AND I JUST HAD TO POST" sure buddy, and I am mother teressa. Please, refrain from telling me about yourself. I try and avoid making any claims about myself, because people would be fucking dumb to believe me if they are smart. As far as I am concerned you are part of a conspiracy to hate on this dev and bring the game down and you're not a lurker, you have 100 other accounts here and post incessantly about how bad the dev is. Of course it's not true, but in light of the fact that there will never be fucking facts on who you are or why you chose to post, it might as well be as true as the bullshit line you just fed us about yourself.

I think your bias is showing. Crush makes mistakes, is he a writer? that's debatable, the update times went from 1 year in between, to 3-4 months now. Could he improve? hell yeah. Did he basically re-make the game and we were all frustrated? yes. Is the newer version of the game better? arguably yes, i prefer it over the old one at least personally. Is crush still not making anything but a kinetic novel without life path integration? yes, it's still an issue, but given how much time it takes to add multiple paths I am willing to overlook that until more of the game is written... paths *CAN* be added in later. All in all the record is spotty, but I feel crush is more self aware than other developers on this platform, and I've seen him trying to take steps to improve whereas everyone else just shrugs off their critics and changes nothing. Am I as bias as you are? Hell no. Not *as* bias. I am capable of slightly more objectivity or maybe generosity.

In my opinion the dev grew over time and improved, there is always the chance they take a step backwards, but I haven't seen real significant steps backward. The past mistakes haven't really repeated themselves. He didn't say "hey I am remaking the game yet again" or "hey the next update will take 8 months" or "hey we're still waiting to enter bangkok"... No, I would argue the developer grew, and it was a long frustrating process for us and annoying, but he wasn't born a good developer... he literally was just some guy who thought "I want to make a game, and all I know is a little programming and maybe that writing course I took in college will help". Heck, even big game companies fucking fail to meet my standards, name a game and I guaruntee you I can shit all over it.
I agree that Crushstation likely isn't a scammer, and I agree that actually putting in sustainable work is the best business model, but scamming by doing the minimal amount of work possible over a long period absolutely works, especially if circumstances all come together to allow such an opportunity to arise, which I think online game making allows. The issue is most people are too stupid and unskilled to pull it off, but many scams take place over long periods of time. I would also point out though, that while you may not consciously be acting malicious, accepting money for minimal production is not exactly ethical in my opinion, even if people are fools to continue giving you the money.
 
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Hey guys! This week I converted the remaining 78 storyboard slides into working game passages.

This means the episode is now playable start to finish in the engine! But there are some critical tasks before we can release:
– Our illustrator lovely Queen Victoria also finished all the required avatar art this week! But it's currently in Illustrator format. Each new item needs to be exported as a separate asset, and coded into the game
– Some placeholder text needs to be properly written (and there’s some first draft dialogue so bad it may as well be placeholder text)
– Dynamic bargirl avatar art needs to be updated for the new episode (V is working on this next)
– There’s a half-implemented game mechanic in a certain scene – minor, but cool – that needs to be fully implemented

I’m also aiming to get some other things done:
– Victoria is working on a cool art experiment that may or may not make it into the episode – I’m hoping it does!
– I want to add in a scene pitched by xGrotesq into the start of the episode, it’s a really really good idea
– I’ve had really great feedback on the storyboard and test versions, which will make the episode about a million times hotter if I implement it So I’m implementing it!

I'm excited about this episode, it's coming out a little hotter than I expected. And it should be ready quite ! I'll get right back to it tomorrow, and let you know where we're at at the end of the week.

Okay, that's it, I'm totally exhausted! I'll sleep now but be right back in action tomorrow morning. Have a lovely Sunday night, everybody, see you with more news soon.
 
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