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The Chris Carter effect I believe it’s called.You forget the option where he has no clue where the story is actually supposed to go, let alone finish. He has ideas for scenes, but not an entire picture, it seems. He gets stuck writing about minute details in great length, stretching it as you say, but in the end he ends up nowhere.
He has transformed the game into a linear novel, which is fine and should make it easier for him, but he still can't deliver meaningful content. His writing is good, but over the last few years he introduced several new mechanics that never do anything and aren't even being used ever again. As I said, he loses himself in ideas for scenes and features, but doesn't know where he actually wants to go. No wonder writing takes so long when you literally have to force yourself to come up with something.
Sad thing is, we are still in the prologue. Then again, are we? What is the main game supposed to be when all of this is just the introduction?
Jeez....how much more time do they need to realize that lying only angers people more? Nobody likes to be treated as a fool. Or, they need to visit Belial (Diabolo 3, 2012) more regularly to learn how to lie.- Writing requires research so they're taking regular trips to Bangkok.
You shrug off getting creampied at a job interview, but have a mental breakdown sucking a dick to keep your cover?
you both got a point. it sounds stupid because our perfectionist milkman who is rewriting scenes like zillion times simply failed to explain motive to this meltdown. she basically is going to cross the line, get paid for sex (bj) and she knows next time she'll be bargirl/hooker like the one from vip room servicing south africans for unknown period of time. if she refuses connor said they have exceded limit of foreign waitresses so she'll be out. end of mission.So I hurl my female agent headfirst down the proverbial cock sleeve rabbit hole. Happily bouncing on any cock offered up. Explaining to her employers that she's willing to do whatever, whenever! Suddenly a pretty handsome bar trainer wants a little head and the bitch acts like she's chaste and wholesome. It doesn't make any sense at all. I'm expecting enthusiastic agreement at that point.
let simplified: lev tolstoy vs crush / war and peace vs female agent:That's not how writing a script works! Words per minute / hour / day is for typists not writers.
Why is that the only explanation?
I can think of many, of which any or all could apply:
- Burns out every crunch time then takes months to recover.
- Surrounded by people telling them their game is so perfect they should spend as long as possible to make sure their next release is even more perfect.
- Imposter syndrome from being told every release is perfect so they struggle to start and finish anything.
- No manager to tell them to just ship it already.
- Stretching out the story and delivery for fear that people are only interested until the first bargirl event.
- Constantly rewriting to be less offensive for the sensibilities of sensitive modern audiences.
- Writing requires research so they're taking regular trips to Bangkok.
- Productive work doesn't really begin until a few weeks before the release.
Your explanation is sound but, the protag accepts payment for fucking Connor more than once so she's a whore for sure. That's my take on it anyway. Take care.you both got a point. it sounds stupid because our perfectionist milkman who is rewriting scenes like zillion times simply failed to explain motive to this meltdown. she basically is going to cross the line, get paid for sex (bj) and she knows next time she'll be bargirl/hooker like the one from vip room servicing south africans for unknown period of time. if she refuses connor said they have exceded limit of foreign waitresses so she'll be out. end of mission.
where mistake is made is: if owners are aware that they have more foreign waitresses than needed and one or two has to go upstairs or be fired, then why hiring new aussie girl? only motive is to drag mc into prostitution. but we don't know that. it just popped from the sky. he spent more time picking types of lipstick or eyeliners and other trivias than polishing really important part of story.
anyway we probably wouldn't be talking about this if we weren't f**ked by this "dev" so many times with delays because "he is not happy with sceen and he has rewrite it again and again". of course all that time milk is pouring. he is like taxi driver brings you almost to your destination and then turn car back to starting point because he didn't like the route and he'll take new one. of course his taximeter is still counting
valid point. and fucking for job with connor/boss can also been counted as whoring (if you give your body for something else than money is also prostitution?).Your explanation is sound but, the protag accepts payment for fucking Connor more than once so she's a whore for sure. That's my take on it anyway. Take care.
of course he knows what he is doing - milking. if he is paid by delivered content game would be finished a long time ago (or abandoned). and if he hires writing help less money to him and quicklier game progress. goodbye easy money. one dev has at parteon tiers set not monthly but per major update. we are not going to see such honesty from crush because instead 12 payments by year, with current pace he would have 2-3 paymentsAll good advice, but as he’s shown multiple times, he won’t take it. Whenever he’s give advice on how to improve writing time he, in the nicest most polite way, says “thanks, but I know what I’m doing.”
and patrons are paying him bunch of money to learn how to make a game. this is, mildest to say, despicably. but i believe it is worse than that. it is deliberate scheme to milk sheeps. as i said above money is coming monthly no matter what. after 4 years of scotland and experimenting with intro, he throws most of it in recycle bin, kept money and move to bangkok. so much time spent on tattoos, physical and mental shaping of mc, sex history, whole life and in general making whole piles of details just to throw them away. he delivered some content in 6 years, just enough not to call him scammer or fraud and keep some patrons on the leashI feel like he spent forever trying to develop game systems to help make the game more gamey before he started the story in earnest (I've spent untold hours trying to get Twine systems to work myself and I can understand wanting everything ready) but then he gave it up and decided to write a rough linear draft and actually share it so he had some content for patreons.
This is a fair criticism. It's pretty late for the agent to be getting such nerves. That should have come earlieryou both got a point. it sounds stupid because our perfectionist milkman who is rewriting scenes like zillion times simply failed to explain motive to this meltdown. she basically is going to cross the line, get paid for sex (bj) and she knows next time she'll be bargirl/hooker like the one from vip room servicing south africans for unknown period of time. if she refuses connor said they have exceded limit of foreign waitresses so she'll be out. end of mission.
It isn't explained but I can't imagine that line of work having anything other than an extremely high turnover. The foreign girls who stuck around for more than a few months would be rare so the bar would always be hiringwhere mistake is made is: if owners are aware that they have more foreign waitresses than needed and one or two has to go upstairs or be fired, then why hiring new aussie girl? only motive is to drag mc into prostitution (since she is very popular and she can earn them some money). but we don't know that. it just popped from the sky. he spent more time picking types of lipstick or eyeliners and other trivias than polishing really important part of story.
that is what you get when you remove 4 years of intro. and i mean her whoring herself in glasgow clubs. as i said in other post: "of course we are sending you to be bartender not whore, but expect anything since we are sending you to brothel. that's way we are sending you in whoring training in glasgow by night to see what might happen. are you ready for that worst case scenario?" and that covers all. dilema about bj with guy (who seems fine looking asian youngster on photos) would be non-existing. anyway she would have some issues with that bj, not because of bj itself, but because she knows what is next - becoming full time prostitute, what is not big deal neither if prepared, but her co-workers at agency willl know and it is all on tape (what if tapes leak?)This is a fair criticism. It's pretty late for the agent to be getting such nerves. That should have come earlier
It isn't explained but I can't imagine that line of work having anything other than an extremely high turnover. The foreign girls who stuck around for more than a few months would be rare so the bar would always be hiring
The difference between nottravis and crush is integrity. Crush talks a lot, makes a lot of promises, and when he blows past his own schedule or narrows the scope of the story... he just makes more promises. Nottravis, and other devs similar, have integrity, i.e. they react when they've failed to meet their own standards. But there's no incentive for Crush to change because he has a base of support willing to pay him 6k a month to write one short story over 5 months -- which is absolutely their right to do so, but it's so obvious that if you are currently supporting crush and you want him to improve he's not going to address his issues, whatever they may be, without pressure. You can make all the comments and suggestions you like on discord, nothing will change. Probably the best thing for this game would be for the patreon support to decline -- as consequences always lead to change.I've never weighed in on this game or this developer, so here goes:
You forgot:That's not how writing a script works! Words per minute / hour / day is for typists not writers.
Why is that the only explanation?
I can think of many, of which any or all could apply:
- Burns out every crunch time then takes months to recover.
- Surrounded by people telling them their game is so perfect they should spend as long as possible to make sure their next release is even more perfect.
- Imposter syndrome from being told every release is perfect so they struggle to start and finish anything.
- No manager to tell them to just ship it already.
- Stretching out the story and delivery for fear that people are only interested until the first bargirl event.
- Constantly rewriting to be less offensive for the sensibilities of sensitive modern audiences.
- Writing requires research so they're taking regular trips to Bangkok.
- Productive work doesn't really begin until a few weeks before the release.
It’s also that she knows the agency and her colleagues will be watching and she helped set up the cameras, so it’s different since she knows she’s performing this for many people who might judge her for it, which is maybe why she feels sick.Because it could be argued that this time IS different. "When I blew that guy in the car I was hopped up on Molly. With Connor it wasn't so blatantly transactional." Here, the Mama-san Lin says "you're going to give this guy a blowie and you'll get money to do it." But of course, that isn't clearly written into her thoughts, so her violent reaction to this BJ (vomiting) comes across as a bit out of left field.
The problem with this theory is she’s already getting regularly fucked by Connor on camera, once so hard he stuck her panties in her mouth, and the whole time she knows her colleagues are watching her.It’s also that she knows the agency and her colleagues will be watching and she helped set up the cameras, so it’s different since she knows she’s performing this for many people who might judge her for it, which is maybe why she feels sick.