Fucked by the supervisor and mafia guy at the bare minimum. You can easily add Max, Rick/Cody and BJ to Kob there. Trauma scene after Connor's first fuck would fit much better. But I agree if we had a choice to be ok or reluctant with BJ to Bonaht the whole thing would be better.
What people are upset about is how she reacts to the BJ scene after, not the scene itself. I wasn't trying to get into specifics and that seemed to cause confusion. I think Kate's reaction to it should be made to be a player choice, so if you play a black widow type then you can shurg off thinking about it. A reluctant Kate can get the scene that was provided.
I think everyone wants the game to have sex in it... Even people who want reluctant Kate want sex.
Sure but those were with the agent having a passive role or with drugs and alcohol in the mix to dampen down inhibitions while the new episode had none of that. I get what Crush was shooting for but the scene should have been a few updates ago
Also none of this addresses the main issue which is that this update is ridiculously short
I wouldn’t be too sure. On the discord, anytime someone suggests a future sex scene, you get a bunch of posters claiming all you want is some, and I quote, “human trafficking, rape simulator”
Seriously, the way some of them balk at ANYTHING sexual you’d think they didn’t know they were playing a porn game. Most anti sex fan base I’ve ever seen for a lewd game.
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This is exactly why the other version with Scotland and all that made so much more sense, honestly. None of this would/should be happening, linear story or not. Especially with the context that they've already sent someone before you into this exact same position (who likely fed them the very same info that this agent is sending them) in the past, only to have them disappear.
At no point should the Agent be having any sort of breakdown unless they were being asked to do something that the previous agent hasn't done. I would suggest that something where she'd be forced to partake in that thing connor mentioned, where one of the former bartenders got jumped by the bargirls for not also becoming a bargirl or something.....But saying that out loud, I realize just how stupid that idea is too.
I'm sorry to anyone who's been paying this guy on patreon or something still but it seems like he's just going to end up taking everyone's money and scrapping all of this shit in the future, again. Cause if he barely puts this little thought and effort into small updates like these.....then I doubt he's going to be willing to go back and fix all the bullshit that doesn't add up in this story. With the way the story is set up right now, I see absolutely no reason why the agent should be acting like this. Especially with her predecessor likely doing the exact same shit as her in the past.
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Because it's clear the dev wants to go down this stupid and linear route of the agent slowly being *forced* into becoming some corrupted bargirl, regardless of whatever choices they've made or been given. Idek why there's still much choices being given in this game anymore. I've made damn near every effort to avoid going down any corrupted routes yet somehow she still seems to be getting more and more into the idea of being another bargirl. If he's fucking up this bad at the prologue, how well do you think he's going to do in the main game?
If he wants that outcome so damn badly, he should have stuck to the old version of the game. But ig that would mean that he'd be much more closer to working on the main game loop. Which would mean that he'd have to actually put in more time and effort. Which also means he'd be closer to finishing the game. And finally, it would mean that people wouldn't really have any good reason to keep throwing money at him, unless he starts a new project which would require EVEN MORE of his time and effort.
At this rate, He's better off just writing a novel. But I'm more than sure he wouldn't since that would mean people wouldn't and shouldn't be paying him for said novel until he actually finished it or something.
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I've played a reluctant agent and it's stupid af. She seems barely affected the other time she's *fucked* her bosses on cam and shit, but a *bj* is her tipping point?
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Wouldn't taking down that dude also result in everything in the bar falling apart? Perhaps it should just stick to her doing the same shit but in whatever home country the player has chosen.
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From what I remember, we never had a Female Agent version in which the agent is the second undercover agent sent by the organization. The other girl was just a bargirl that was recruited by another agent. She got some money and possibly the promise of a better life back in Germany, he got some intel. Nevertheless, at some point they lost the asset, but they don't know why (it's up to you to find out what happened). They could send someone else in and try to turn another girl, but there is a limited amount of information that can be extracted from such an operation. Hence they send our own agent.
Regarding the clubs scenes from Scotland - I disagree and think that what we have right now is the far better version of the game. The way the game is written let's you think that it could happen in real life. It is more easy to believe that CIA will send someone undercover in a bar in what they think is a safe position vs "ok so we need you to fuck 10 guys here, around 200 during your mission and will also do a porn movie, just to be sure that you got a good story".
I agree that the first interview with Connor could have been handled differently (I wrote a more detailed comment about that some time ago). Same for the big boss dinner and chill. The agent was forced into sex in the first 2 days spent undercover. And now she freaks out from a BJ even though, everyone knew that she did more. Ok is a civilian, it won't get her any intel or leverage but she didn't choose to do it. She was forced to do it. The Agency will understand. But suddenly is such a big point that she is seen sucking a dick on camera. Actually the dick is not even that important, the tipping point is the action done on camera. Probably she wouldn't have stressed so much if the agency didn't watched her every move.
Develfish is just a customer - from what we know. If he dies tomorrow, the bar will keep doing what it is doing.
Yeah, I'm not say this game isn't flawed, obviously it is. Saying that, Crush is trying to write it to have some sense of realism.
There is an assumption that Kate isn't a whore going in... You CAN NOT get into the CIA if you have that history as an analyst. I wouldn't be surprised if the other government agencies would be similar since government agencies tend to be conservative.
So assuming Kate hasn't been a whore, there is going to be fucking trauma EVEN if she is sex positive. Can that trauma be small? Yeah, a more sexually liberated person will tolerate it more, or a more detached black widow type can suppress it more but it is still there. Should the trauma scene be after the the first time your boss rapes you? I think so, but having it here can makes sense too. I could see someone suppressing that trauma and each time she is forced to have sex with someone it gets harder to suppress until she cracks. Could it be written better? Absolutely.
What I don't see is a person who cares about their reputation going Turbo whore in front of their coworkers and having zero emotional complications from it. Look at it internally, do you think you would be ok with selling your body to a man the first time and not be troubled by it? Especially if your coworkers know and will look down upon you for it, even if it was for the greater good? If any of you of you say Yes, well I'm calling you all a liar who do. Kate here in the story is no different. You can get used to it, but that acknowledges that there is a resistance, that it's unpleasant. Now that a breakdown has happened she can come to acceptance and get used to it.
In the end this scene is going to be rewritten because of all the hate over it LOL, I'm curious how it going to be changed.
There is an assumption that Kate isn't a whore going in... You CAN NOT get into the CIA if you have that history as an analyst. I wouldn't be surprised if the other government agencies would be similar since government agencies tend to be conservative.
So assuming Kate hasn't been a whore, there is going to be fucking trauma EVEN if she is sex positive. Can that trauma be small? Yeah, a more sexually liberated person will tolerate it more, or a more detached black widow type can suppress it more but it is still there. Should the trauma scene be after the the first time your boss rapes you? I think so, but having it here can makes sense too. I could see someone suppressing that trauma and each time she is forced to have sex with someone it gets harder to suppress until she cracks. Could it be written better? Absolutely.
What I don't see is a person who cares about their reputation going Turbo whore in front of their coworkers and having zero emotional complications from it. Look at it internally, do you think you would be ok with selling your body to a man the first time and not be troubled by it? Especially if your coworkers know and will look down upon you for it, even if it was for the greater good? If any of you of you say Yes, well I'm calling you all a liar who do. Kate here in the story is no different. You can get used to it, but that acknowledges that there is a resistance, that it's unpleasant. Now that a breakdown has happened she can come to acceptance and get used to it.
In the end this scene is going to be rewritten because of all the hate over it LOL, I'm curious how it going to be changed.
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It would be possible, just change Connor for one of the madams from the Club. But that's the main problem right now, there are no branching paths. You are railroaded into Connor - old geezer - Kob/vomit. A route in which your Agent avoids being fucked by everyone should be mandatory, like a real undercover agent.
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If the dev wanted realism, then I'm pretty sure the CIA or any government agency wouldn't be stupid enough to think that bar is anywhere near a "safe position" for an agent. If the dev wanted realism, then the CIA would likely have many other ways of finding said devilfish. Pretty sure they have a long list of experienced people to do this kind of shit at a moment's notice. Definitely isn't unheard of that agencies like the CIA and such have done some fucked up shit in the past. Getting someone to go undercover and pose as a prostitute is nowhere near as bad as some of the shit they've done before.
Either way, this whole argument goes out of the window when you remember that one scene where the prince of darkness or whatever specifically tells her that she wasn't the first nor last to do this type of work. So clearly, at least in that universe, they've done that type of shit countless times in the past and are more than comfortable to keep doing it in the future too.
There's simply no way to excuse them sending someone as inexperienced as the agent to do this mission, realism or not. How is this more realistic?
(Side note: I don't recall any mention of a porn movie in the previous version I played, tf did that come from?Lol )
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If I remember correctly, during your training in Scotland you would participate in a strip tease/wet T-shirt contest or something. If you won and were up for it, you would go backstage where they would fuck you and record everything for their version of "girls gone wild".
The main problem with what we have is that there's no good explanation for the strength of her reaction, given what she has done before, and almost as importantly, there are no alternative paths (being one of the girls/doing it for the mission/milder reluctance/being OK with it until she realises she has an audience etc.)
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Ah, I remember. But that was optional, no? You didn't need to do that for the cover story.
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"Easily" Not with this dev, apparently. Plus if you want more "content" then you should probably look elsewhere. The guy took who knows how long for a damn 15 minute update, what makes you think any of the future scenes are going to even remotely good if he "rushes" them?
Changing Connor to a woman isn't going to do anything to the fact MC will be fucking droves of men in search of the one with the missing testicle.
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I have no idea who that Prince of Darkness is or from what universe does he come from. Regarding the agent, why do you say that she is inexperienced. She finished her training with good grades, worked from an office for a bit and so far she handles herself well during spy mission. Inexperienced in terms of sex? Well I guess not every women is a whore, especially not those that receive a good education, that are ambitious and have a good moral compass.
Anyway you liked that the extended Scotland training version more and that is ok. For me, the current version is better, offers more realism and even from the story perspective is not as boring. It gives you a feeling of progression: please your boss, please your boss's boss, get close to the other girls and become more like them and so on. If she would go in as a bargirl from day one, we would get some MF sex scenes, maybe a few MFM and at some you'd realized that is a boring story.
Unfortunately is not that easy. The game files are a mess. Content from previous versions can still be found in the current one and by previous I mean the life path. Crush never went back to fix not even the smallest things in older updates (for example character profiles). Queen Vic could have created a few more clothes for the bargirls for the first 2 or 3 nights you spend in the club. Fixing it later would also mean to be extra careful with what to do and test things properly. But after 4 months, even in a small update we got a version with a broken link (when the new girl returns from the street with Steph), a dead end when you talk with Ian ("I had a moment but now I am ok") and a continuity problem with the way Steph looks (the turtle tattoo is gone). There are not even that many paths - how could you miss all this?
It's also funny that he wasted I don't know how many weeks to rewrite the BJ scenes, just to push a shorter version out. In the OG version, Kate would get slapped by Steph, would receive more instructions about what to do and you even get to deep throat the guy. Also at the end the kiss is longer and the reason why she starts loosing it in the bathroom is described better: ok - they've seen me with Connor, but this feels different, I've done stuff that I've seen only in porn and I got payed for it.
Maybe it was a PR stunt: you push a bad version, get some negative comments and later you bring back the longer version. And that ladies and gentlemen is how you build up your reputation as a dev that listens, that tries to improve stuff and works 80h a week on something that can be sketched in a day and written in a week.
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