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As a Patreon supporter years ago, all I can say at this point is that crush has perfected getting well paid for (very) little output. What drew me to support then, and probably others now as well, is the potential the game holds. A clean interface, neat art, plausible story, mature experience seems like a beginning of something greater. Unfortunately it's not (& never) meant to be.
 

Diconica

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Feedback from the random bar encounters test was reported to be positive.

Personally, I don't see the point in gatekeeping. Relax, nobody is going to get imploded at the bottom of the ocean, it's just a game.
Game play loop:
Usually reference to the loop cycle where the game goes through the process of update and then render.
There is a hell of a lot that could have been gained by having a proper game loop in this game.
A lot larger reuse of code and being able to separate dialog and story from the code including HTML and such.
This would have amount to him creating about 20 different template pages and that include allowing for the dynamic avatar and changing backgrounds.

Instead what you have is setting up tags and other garbage to add to each page you create in this case something like 5700 page or so. All of which in some way he has to do some formatting to.
Currently, the game doesn't actually use a game loop as such. You go from one html page to another effectively. You have some basic formatting and variables you can keep along the way to track stuff.
 
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ffive

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We're at similar endpoints through different routes. To me, I'm happy with a well-done loop. I think this was something that Crush probably wanted to do back in 2017 too, but his customary slowness led people to conclude that his design plan and choice of variables were to blame. Turned out he is just slow no matter what.
I agree the random encounters thing was likely something the author originally had in mind, i'd guess as part of "Mass Effect-like" semi-sandbox gameplay he'd mention here and there. But it's the sort of thing that'd maybe fit with the rest of typical RPG treadmill, i.e. the skill increases, XP gains and all that superfluous padding stuff. Things that simply aren't there -- and now that the game has been effectively stripped down just to the (largely linear) narrative, i feel such components would only serve as annoyance for people who are interested in what they currently get, this narrative, as opposed to grinding through proverbial "kill 10 rats"* click fests between the story beats.

*) well, more like "suck 10 dicks" given the theme of the game, but still about the same thing, entertainment-wise.
 

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I agree the random encounters thing was likely something the author originally had in mind, i'd guess as part of "Mass Effect-like" semi-sandbox gameplay he'd mention here and there. But it's the sort of thing that'd maybe fit with the rest of typical RPG treadmill, i.e. the skill increases, XP gains and all that superfluous padding stuff. Things that simply aren't there -- and now that the game has been effectively stripped down just to the (largely linear) narrative, i feel such components would only serve as annoyance for people who are interested in what they currently get, this narrative, as opposed to grinding through proverbial "kill 10 rats"* click fests between the story beats.

*) well, more like "suck 10 dicks" given the theme of the game, but still about the same thing, entertainment-wise.
Yes I think the origin of this game was a combination of AMWF plus spy plus some idea that certain games (to go unnamed) that are only a text loop would be much better if they had a few graphics.
 

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for next updates, some ideas :
- a sex scene leaded by the new girl, Amanda : lesbian show, and after, some scession with clients. Spy will accept as senpai of Amanda.
- rewrite to make the story a little quicker.
 

Lasdehnen

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Yes, unfortunately, this update of the game seemed to me short and not very successful. A very banal scene and a lot of internal doubts in the main character, which I don’t want to believe. In theatrical terms, she "plays a role for three salaries."

It's sad to see that Crush has already formed a template for every update.
1) domestic scene
2) evening at work and harassment of the client to the heroine
3) before going to bed, the main character dreams “what if this client is in my bed now”

But I came up with an ending for the game:
- The main character helps to arrest the Devilfish without leaving the bar
- she returns to London and before going to bed she dreams “what if I started working as a bargirl on the second floor…”
 

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If people didn't know 1.19 has some controversy. The main theme of this episode is about trauma from being groomed into a bargirl. This episode is REALLY good if you play a reluctant Kate, albeit short... If you don't play that way, then you will have problems with it. There is an event that a black widow type wouldn't struggle with as much as a reluctant Kate.

Funny enough, this is a pretty simple solution for this. Crush just has to make that scene dependent on if they are playing a reluctant Kate or not, and make it a choice to feel that way.

The other issue is that it's short. Knowing this site, people are going to dog pile and scream it's a scam. /Eyeroll Crush clearly has problems from over editing and it slows him down. He keeps trying to improve things and make them worse LOL. I think it's a valid complaint that he is so slow that it's not worth supporting his game, but then again most people don't on this site...
 
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fortuna95

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Hi guys! Before the new episode released, I said I’d need feedback from the community. I certainly got it.
This episode received by far the most negative criticism of any episode of Female Agent. So that’s obviously an indicator that I made mistakes this time.

The criticisms were mainly (but not entirely) in two areas:
  • It took too long to produce
  • The characterisation of the heroine didn’t feel consistent with some of her earlier scenes
I want to avoid spoiling the episode for those who haven’t played it yet, so I’ll get into some detail after the general release on Sunday. But I’ve spent part of this week just listening to and absorbing the feedback (as well as doing prep work for the next episode).

This week: I’ll be focusing on some scene edits, based on player feedback, aimed at improving the characterisation issues.

I want to say thank you to all the people who provided feedback, here, on Discord and in DMs. I read it all and took it seriously, and I'm sorry to those of you who didn't feel this episode was a hit.
 

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  • It took too long to produce
  • The characterisation of the heroine didn’t feel consistent with some of her earlier scenes
Agree with both of those points but imo taking a huge amount of time to create a small amount of content is the much bigger problem. Seems like redoing something AGAIN isn't going to help with that :rolleyes:
 
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Geffe

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I feel like fixing the second point doesn't require rewriting, so much as just adding some extra choices. Is the agent traumatized by having to give a bj? Let the player decide. Does the agent makeout with the bargirl afterwards? Let the player decide. Choices within the sex scenes are probably the easiest to gate (since they don't have to lead to significantly different outcomes afterwards), so I don't get why he has been so reluctant to add them.
 

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If people didn't know 1.19 has some controversy. The main theme of this episode is about trauma from being groomed into a bargirl. This episode is REALLY good if you play a reluctant Kate, albeit short... If you don't play that way, then you will have problems with it. There is an event that a black widow type wouldn't struggle with as much as a reluctant Kate.

Funny enough, this is a pretty simple solution for this. Crush just has to make that scene dependent on if they are playing a reluctant Kate or not, and make it a choice to feel that way.

The other issue is that it's short. Knowing this site, people are going to dog pile and scream it's a scam. /Eyeroll Crush clearly has problems from over editing and it slows him down. He keeps trying to improve things and make them worse LOL. I think it's a valid complaint that he is so slow that it's not worth supporting his game, but then again most people don't on this site...
The base idea of this update wasn't bad, but it could have been handle a bit better. For example:
  • keep the player guessing what will happen. Miss Nin tells you that is your turn to repay Bonaht, but you don't know exactly what that entails
  • make Nin whisper who's the lucky girl that night, instead of telling out loud - she will give you a BJ
  • inner thoughts - will you sleep with a stranger if they ask you to do it ?
  • during the scene, like you said, give more options
    • reluctant Kate: keep the scene as is, maybe add the option to spit at the end
    • open Kate: you are a girl on a mission, to make Bonaht cum as fast as possible (throw in some bj checks), knowing fully well that this could turn more ugly. Especially with a Steph that at one point checks out how wet you are (exhibitionist will fail automatically). If you succeed, you just showed your BJ skills, if you fail, you can go further or stop it there and Steph takes over, but Nin is not happy.
  • move the bathroom scene from the bar to the time when you get back home. that will be the perfect moment to actually realized that you are groomed. First with Connor when he pays you for sex, then with him fucking you in a bargirl boot (after Emilly appeared for the first time) and now Steph who teaches you what to do. This is what makes you throw up. Some inner thoughts followed by Ian message. Do you tell him that you are fine or lie and say that you have to talk with Clark and get out? Either way, you need a plan to make sure that you keep your position as long as possible. Do you accept that the inevitable truth that you will be a bargirl if you continue the mission or keep lying to yourself that it will not happen? Do you bring this issues to your team and together work a solution or try to deal with it by yourself?
 

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If people didn't know 1.19 has some controversy. The main theme of this episode is about trauma from being groomed into a bargirl. This episode is REALLY good if you play a reluctant Kate, albeit short... If you don't play that way, then you will have problems with it. There is an event that a black widow type wouldn't struggle with as much as a reluctant Kate.

Funny enough, this is a pretty simple solution for this. Crush just has to make that scene dependent on if they are playing a reluctant Kate or not, and make it a choice to feel that way.

The other issue is that it's short. Knowing this site, people are going to dog pile and scream it's a scam. /Eyeroll Crush clearly has problems from over editing and it slows him down. He keeps trying to improve things and make them worse LOL. I think it's a valid complaint that he is so slow that it's not worth supporting his game, but then again most people don't on this site...
No matter how you play your agent by the time of the bathroom scene she has been fucked several times by her supervisor and by the old mafia guy. You can't avoid those scenes no matter what.
 

Ulyx

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No matter how you play your agent by the time of the bathroom scene she has been fucked several times by her supervisor and by the old mafia guy. You can't avoid those scenes no matter what.
Fucked by the supervisor and mafia guy at the bare minimum. You can easily add Max, Rick/Cody and BJ to Kob there. Trauma scene after Connor's first fuck would fit much better. But I agree if we had a choice to be ok or reluctant with BJ to Bonaht the whole thing would be better.
 

XJ347

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No matter how you play your agent by the time of the bathroom scene she has been fucked several times by her supervisor and by the old mafia guy. You can't avoid those scenes no matter what.
What people are upset about is how she reacts to the BJ scene after, not the scene itself. I wasn't trying to get into specifics and that seemed to cause confusion. I think Kate's reaction to it should be made to be a player choice, so if you play a black widow type then you can shurg off thinking about it. A reluctant Kate can get the scene that was provided.

I think everyone wants the game to have sex in it... Even people who want reluctant Kate want sex.
 

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Fucked by the supervisor and mafia guy at the bare minimum. You can easily add Max, Rick/Cody and BJ to Kob there. Trauma scene after Connor's first fuck would fit much better. But I agree if we had a choice to be ok or reluctant with BJ to Bonaht the whole thing would be better.
Sure but those were with the agent having a passive role or with drugs and alcohol in the mix to dampen down inhibitions while the new episode had none of that. I get what Crush was shooting for but the scene should have been a few updates ago

Also none of this addresses the main issue which is that this update is ridiculously short
 
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MrAnarchy

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I think everyone wants the game to have sex in it... Even people who want reluctant Kate want sex.
I wouldn’t be too sure. On the discord, anytime someone suggests a future sex scene, you get a bunch of posters claiming all you want is some, and I quote, “human trafficking, rape simulator”

Seriously, the way some of them balk at ANYTHING sexual you’d think they didn’t know they were playing a porn game. Most anti sex fan base I’ve ever seen for a lewd game.
 

Crackcocaine

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The base idea of this update wasn't bad, but it could have been handle a bit better. For example:
  • keep the player guessing what will happen. Miss Nin tells you that is your turn to repay Bonaht, but you don't know exactly what that entails
  • make Nin whisper who's the lucky girl that night, instead of telling out loud - she will give you a BJ
  • inner thoughts - will you sleep with a stranger if they ask you to do it ?
  • during the scene, like you said, give more options
    • reluctant Kate: keep the scene as is, maybe add the option to spit at the end
    • open Kate: you are a girl on a mission, to make Bonaht cum as fast as possible (throw in some bj checks), knowing fully well that this could turn more ugly. Especially with a Steph that at one point checks out how wet you are (exhibitionist will fail automatically). If you succeed, you just showed your BJ skills, if you fail, you can go further or stop it there and Steph takes over, but Nin is not happy.
  • move the bathroom scene from the bar to the time when you get back home. that will be the perfect moment to actually realized that you are groomed. First with Connor when he pays you for sex, then with him fucking you in a bargirl boot (after Emilly appeared for the first time) and now Steph who teaches you what to do. This is what makes you throw up. Some inner thoughts followed by Ian message. Do you tell him that you are fine or lie and say that you have to talk with Clark and get out? Either way, you need a plan to make sure that you keep your position as long as possible. Do you accept that the inevitable truth that you will be a bargirl if you continue the mission or keep lying to yourself that it will not happen? Do you bring this issues to your team and together work a solution or try to deal with it by yourself?
This is exactly why the other version with Scotland and all that made so much more sense, honestly. None of this would/should be happening, linear story or not. Especially with the context that they've already sent someone before you into this exact same position (who likely fed them the very same info that this agent is sending them) in the past, only to have them disappear.

At no point should the Agent be having any sort of breakdown unless they were being asked to do something that the previous agent hasn't done. I would suggest that something where she'd be forced to partake in that thing connor mentioned, where one of the former bartenders got jumped by the bargirls for not also becoming a bargirl or something.....But saying that out loud, I realize just how stupid that idea is too.

I'm sorry to anyone who's been paying this guy on patreon or something still but it seems like he's just going to end up taking everyone's money and scrapping all of this shit in the future, again. Cause if he barely puts this little thought and effort into small updates like these.....then I doubt he's going to be willing to go back and fix all the bullshit that doesn't add up in this story. With the way the story is set up right now, I see absolutely no reason why the agent should be acting like this. Especially with her predecessor likely doing the exact same shit as her in the past.
 

Crackcocaine

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I feel like fixing the second point doesn't require rewriting, so much as just adding some extra choices. Is the agent traumatized by having to give a bj? Let the player decide. Does the agent makeout with the bargirl afterwards? Let the player decide. Choices within the sex scenes are probably the easiest to gate (since they don't have to lead to significantly different outcomes afterwards), so I don't get why he has been so reluctant to add them.
Because it's clear the dev wants to go down this stupid and linear route of the agent slowly being *forced* into becoming some corrupted bargirl, regardless of whatever choices they've made or been given. Idek why there's still much choices being given in this game anymore. I've made damn near every effort to avoid going down any corrupted routes yet somehow she still seems to be getting more and more into the idea of being another bargirl. If he's fucking up this bad at the prologue, how well do you think he's going to do in the main game?

If he wants that outcome so damn badly, he should have stuck to the old version of the game. But ig that would mean that he'd be much more closer to working on the main game loop. Which would mean that he'd have to actually put in more time and effort. Which also means he'd be closer to finishing the game. And finally, it would mean that people wouldn't really have any good reason to keep throwing money at him, unless he starts a new project which would require EVEN MORE of his time and effort.

At this rate, He's better off just writing a novel. But I'm more than sure he wouldn't since that would mean people wouldn't and shouldn't be paying him for said novel until he actually finished it or something.
 

Crackcocaine

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If people didn't know 1.19 has some controversy. The main theme of this episode is about trauma from being groomed into a bargirl. This episode is REALLY good if you play a reluctant Kate, albeit short... If you don't play that way, then you will have problems with it. There is an event that a black widow type wouldn't struggle with as much as a reluctant Kate.

Funny enough, this is a pretty simple solution for this. Crush just has to make that scene dependent on if they are playing a reluctant Kate or not, and make it a choice to feel that way.

The other issue is that it's short. Knowing this site, people are going to dog pile and scream it's a scam. /Eyeroll Crush clearly has problems from over editing and it slows him down. He keeps trying to improve things and make them worse LOL. I think it's a valid complaint that he is so slow that it's not worth supporting his game, but then again most people don't on this site...
I've played a reluctant agent and it's stupid af. She seems barely affected the other time she's *fucked* her bosses on cam and shit, but a *bj* is her tipping point?
 
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