HTML Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[Ragnar]

Seriously? This is a game about a girl sent undercover at a stripclub/brothel (with an entirely male clientele) looking for a male terrorist. Seems highly unlikely that lesbian only will be a possibility.

Having a preference for straight women, I'm hopeful that any lesbian content will be avoidable.

It would be possible, just change Connor for one of the madams from the Club. But that's the main problem right now, there are no branching paths. You are railroaded into Connor - old geezer - Kob/vomit. A route in which your Agent avoids being fucked by everyone should be mandatory, like a real undercover agent.

 

[Crackcocaine]

Regarding the clubs scenes from Scotland - I disagree and think that what we have right now is the far better version of the game. The way the game is written let's you think that it could happen in real life. It is more easy to believe that CIA will send someone undercover in a bar in what they think is a safe position vs "ok so we need you to fuck 10 guys here, around 200 during your mission and will also do a porn movie, just to be sure that you got a good story".

If the dev wanted realism, then I'm pretty sure the CIA or any government agency wouldn't be stupid enough to think that bar is anywhere near a "safe position" for an agent. If the dev wanted realism, then the CIA would likely have many other ways of finding said devilfish. Pretty sure they have a long list of experienced people to do this kind of shit at a moment's notice. Definitely isn't unheard of that agencies like the CIA and such have done some fucked up shit in the past. Getting someone to go undercover and pose as a prostitute is nowhere near as bad as some of the shit they've done before.

Either way, this whole argument goes out of the window when you remember that one scene where the prince of darkness or whatever specifically tells her that she wasn't the first nor last to do this type of work. So clearly, at least in that universe, they've done that type of shit countless times in the past and are more than comfortable to keep doing it in the future too.

There's simply no way to excuse them sending someone as inexperienced as the agent to do this mission, realism or not. How is this more realistic?

(Side note: I don't recall any mention of a porn movie in the previous version I played, tf did that come from?Lol )

 

[169134]

(Side note: I don't recall any mention of a porn movie in the previous version I played, tf did that come from?Lol )

If I remember correctly, during your training in Scotland you would participate in a strip tease/wet T-shirt contest or something. If you won and were up for it, you would go backstage where they would fuck you and record everything for their version of "girls gone wild".

 

[ZebCaff]

In the end this scene is going to be rewritten because of all the hate over it LOL, I'm curious how it going to be changed.

The main problem with what we have is that there's no good explanation for the strength of her reaction, given what she has done before, and almost as importantly, there are no alternative paths (being one of the girls/doing it for the mission/milder reluctance/being OK with it until she realises she has an audience etc.)

 

[Crackcocaine]

If I remember correctly, during your training in Scotland you would participate in a strip tease/wet T-shirt contest or something. If you won and were up for it, you would go backstage where they would fuck you and record everything for their version of "girls gone wild".

Ah, I remember. But that was optional, no? You didn't need to do that for the cover story.

 

[Crackcocaine]

Y'all talking about the characterization and scene issues.

I don't give a shit if the whole game is kate crying in a bathroom after every scene while during sex shes enjoying it like a porn star. As long as a game get's written and updates come out every 2-3 months. You can fix all that shit later, easily. Make content. Content is all that matters. Can add scenes to fix/edit scenes later.

"Easily" Not with this dev, apparently. Plus if you want more "content" then you should probably look elsewhere. The guy took who knows how long for a damn 15 minute update, what makes you think any of the future scenes are going to even remotely good if he "rushes" them?

 

[ffive]

It would be possible, just change Connor for one of the madams from the Club.

Changing Connor to a woman isn't going to do anything to the fact MC will be fucking droves of men in search of the one with the missing testicle.

 

[_Zebra_]

If the dev wanted realism, then I'm pretty sure the CIA or any government agency wouldn't be stupid enough to think that bar is anywhere near a "safe position" for an agent. If the dev wanted realism, then the CIA would likely have many other ways of finding said devilfish. Pretty sure they have a long list of experienced people to do this kind of shit at a moment's notice. Definitely isn't unheard of that agencies like the CIA and such have done some fucked up shit in the past. Getting someone to go undercover and pose as a prostitute is nowhere near as bad as some of the shit they've done before.

Either way, this whole argument goes out of the window when you remember that one scene where the prince of darkness or whatever specifically tells her that she wasn't the first nor last to do this type of work. So clearly, at least in that universe, they've done that type of shit countless times in the past and are more than comfortable to keep doing it in the future too.

There's simply no way to excuse them sending someone as inexperienced as the agent to do this mission, realism or not. How is this more realistic?

(Side note: I don't recall any mention of a porn movie in the previous version I played, tf did that come from?Lol )

I have no idea who that Prince of Darkness is or from what universe does he come from. Regarding the agent, why do you say that she is inexperienced. She finished her training with good grades, worked from an office for a bit and so far she handles herself well during spy mission. Inexperienced in terms of sex? Well I guess not every women is a whore, especially not those that receive a good education, that are ambitious and have a good moral compass.

Anyway you liked that the extended Scotland training version more and that is ok. For me, the current version is better, offers more realism and even from the story perspective is not as boring. It gives you a feeling of progression: please your boss, please your boss's boss, get close to the other girls and become more like them and so on. If she would go in as a bargirl from day one, we would get some MF sex scenes, maybe a few MFM and at some you'd realized that is a boring story.

Y'all talking about the characterization and scene issues.

I don't give a shit if the whole game is kate crying in a bathroom after every scene while during sex shes enjoying it like a porn star. As long as a game get's written and updates come out every 2-3 months. You can fix all that shit later, easily. Make content. Content is all that matters. Can add scenes to fix/edit scenes later.

Unfortunately is not that easy. The game files are a mess. Content from previous versions can still be found in the current one and by previous I mean the life path. Crush never went back to fix not even the smallest things in older updates (for example character profiles). Queen Vic could have created a few more clothes for the bargirls for the first 2 or 3 nights you spend in the club. Fixing it later would also mean to be extra careful with what to do and test things properly. But after 4 months, even in a small update we got a version with a broken link (when the new girl returns from the street with Steph), a dead end when you talk with Ian ("I had a moment but now I am ok") and a continuity problem with the way Steph looks (the turtle tattoo is gone). There are not even that many paths - how could you miss all this?

It's also funny that he wasted I don't know how many weeks to rewrite the BJ scenes, just to push a shorter version out. In the OG version, Kate would get slapped by Steph, would receive more instructions about what to do and you even get to deep throat the guy. Also at the end the kiss is longer and the reason why she starts loosing it in the bathroom is described better: ok - they've seen me with Connor, but this feels different, I've done stuff that I've seen only in porn and I got payed for it.

Maybe it was a PR stunt: you push a bad version, get some negative comments and later you bring back the longer version. And that ladies and gentlemen is how you build up your reputation as a dev that listens, that tries to improve stuff and works 80h a week on something that can be sketched in a day and written in a week.

 

[Ragnar]

Changing Connor to a woman isn't going to do anything to the fact MC will be fucking droves of men in search of the one with the missing testicle.

So far she works as a barista, she doesn't have to fuck anyone.

 

[boobthief]

What I can tell you is he could have created a single set of variables to store the avatar image list then used a layer system with html and css to display them. He could reuse that over and over again. There seems to be evidence he did something like that. But there also seems to be evidence that when he creates a store to buy something he is making each store individually rather than using a single code base and just changing the items available and prices.

I'm reasonably familiar with the source, although I just look at, don't really use Twine.

Avatar image list is arrays displayed as absolutely positioned layers... not sure if you're just not seeing it but Dev Tools in your browser and:

SugarCube.State.variables.avatar.body
SugarCube.State.variables.avatar.underwear
SugarCube.State.variables.avatar.clothing
etc.

used in SugarCube as a widget macro:

<<widget "avatar">>
...
<<for _i to 0; _i lt $avatar.clothing.length ; _i++>>
...

Then there's a ton of repetitious widgets for adding and removing clothes, facial expressions, tattoos etc.

No idea what you mean about creating a store and using a single code base. Like updating state in React + Redux? Single code base? There's some evidence in code comments that some of the developers are compiling e.g. // import initAvatar from './scripts/avatar' but I wouldn't consider that a separate codebase.

99% of the pages could could use a template format. By that they use a similar layout you just need to add the minimal format such as identify headers and sections. In total about 20 or so different page formats could be used to cover every screen he has it would just require the content changes then.

Guessing you didn't see:

<tw-passagedata...>>
<<header>>
<<page>>
...

Either way basically most the so called coding would be similar to using a text editor such as MS Word or another writing program that other office software.

Yeah, the main writer is probably using the Twine IDE. It's pretty obvious, if you look, that there have been other developers working on the game. I wouldn't be so quick to shit on their abilities and code if I were you... don't cast the first stone.

Their game works. It looks good. People want more. They massively don't care about our code review discussion.

Any community content would need to be reviewed proofed then add into section of the story it will fit. In the greater extent community content is more like someone giving you and idea with the general overlay of what the events will be. Some times it could even provide the actual entire story and dialog depending on the writers skills. However, you have to go through all those submissions or have a process to weed out bad ones vs good ones. That takes time. Even if you had something like a community vote that doesn't mean by any stretch you will get the best ones or even ones that are well written. Just look how many bad games on this site that are liked.

If there's one thing that Crush likes doing it's editing, am I right?!

Not sure what you are disagreeing with.
I listed a number of facts.
The male images are all images taken from the web.
While the avatars for the women were made using SVG he converted them to png and he lost a lot of flexibility doing that. He does use some SVGs for achievements but the avatar images are all converted to png. I can't tell you why he chose to do that. It would have saved him work such as making different color eyebrows and hair. All he would need to do is change the value in the SVG it is just text. That said maybe there isn't a way to edit that in twine.

Disagreeing with 'There is very little actual coding needed'. Sorry, the quoting on F95 only seems to do one level of quotes.

Fiddling to add complexity when you should rewrite the avatar code. Except you shouldn't because it's super good enough.

Would I rewrite it to solve bigger issues like images loading async or not at all? Only if people stopped paying me money because of this.

Without intending any offense whatsoever, I'm guessing you don't have decades of experience in web development? In my experience, if something complicated works good enough you learn to leave it TF alone and focus on something productive.

But take the bodies on the newer ones here are a few different postures. Ignore the arm placement that is separate parts. Torso upper and lower. The front and back image is literally the front flipped left to right. then the back shading added. The crotch area is also a separate section that is added in. Then you add the ass for the back and so on and tits on the front. There are several girls using the same one. There are several girls with the same facial jaw line some differ. SVGs you can easly change the color in make up shadows cheeks ... are all just layers added over it. eyes nose hair are again just another layered image.

Sounds great! I'm guessing they're just exporting from Illustrator and programmatically modifying SVGs is more than they want to deal with. But if you want to work for free, why not volunteer your time? =)

The point is people on here know the amount of work going into the game isn't that much. The art work is a days work maybe two if he is slow. The writing doesn't even make that. It took him 6 months to put that out.
That is why people are upset. That makes he did effectively 1 days work for every 60 he had.
Yep, I'd say they have every reason to think there should have been more.

Except for a vocal minority of Patreon simps, nobody thinks they shouldn't have put out more content this release. And I don't think it's the code quality or assets conversion workflow that is holding them back.

 

[ffive]

So far she works as a barista, she doesn't have to fuck anyone.

Keyword being "so far". People who are asking for "lesbian only" route presumably want it for the whole game rather than "si far" and the basic premise is simply incompatible with this.

 

[Ragnar]

Keyword being "so far". People who are asking for "lesbian only" route presumably want it for the whole game rather than "si far" and the basic premise is simply incompatible with this.

There is no reason to not include different routes, otherwise this would be a kinetic novel.
If you want to play the cum bucket route that's fine, others may want to play other routes.

 

[ffive]

There is no reason to not include different routes, otherwise this would be a kinetic novel.
If you want to play the cum bucket route that's fine, others may want to play other routes.

If a route doesn't make sense given the basic premise of the game then it's a very good reason not to include it.

People may want a lot of things, it doesn't mean the game has to bend over backward to please them all. If they want a drastically different experience they're free to look for it in a different game.

 

[Breezerr]

If a route doesn't make sense given the basic premise of the game then it's a very good reason not to include it.

People may want a lot of things, it doesn't mean the game has to bend over backward to please them all. If they want a drastically different experience they're free to look for it in a different game.

The initial premise were to go undercover as bargirl. But he changed it, and by now it would absolutely make sense to have a route where she only works at the bar and uses other girls for intel.

 

[ffive]

The initial premise were to go undercover as bargirl. But he changed it, and by now it would absolutely make sense to have a route where she only works at the bar and uses other girls for intel.

The actual initial premise was for the agent to be sent undecover as a hooker. Then, after people objected it'd be way over the top for intelligence agency to effectively sent an agent to work as a hooker from the get go it was changed to a bargirl, but there's absolutely intention the entire time to reach this initial/final setup, just at slower pace.

To claim it'd absolutely make sense for what's ultimately a porn game to provide a route where people can skip the sex stuff because they can't stand the idea of their MC taking a dick is... bizarre, to say the least. As would be complaining the game doesn't accommodate them and how it's nothing but a kinetic novel because of it.

 

[MrAnarchy]

To claim it'd absolutely make sense for what's ultimately a porn game to provide a route where people can skip the sex stuff because they can't stand the idea of their MC taking a dick is... bizarre, to say the least. As would be complaining the game doesn't accommodate them and how it's nothing but a kinetic novel because of it.

This is the kind of stuff that’s posted on the discord. I swear, I don’t know why people are playing this game if they don’t the premise of it.

 

[Breezerr]

but there's absolutely intention the entire time to reach this initial/final setup, just at slower pace.

Can I ask you where you got this from?
Because it's not from the Patreon game description, and it's also not from the game itself.

Female Agent is a text-based sexpionage RPG. It stars a Western intelligence officer, sent undercover into Bangkok's red light district. She'll have to navigate her way through a sex-fuelled urban underbelly to take down a dangerous international terrorist. Will she succeed or become trapped in Bangkok's criminal underworld?

 

[Deleted member 14950]

If the dev wanted realism, then I'm pretty sure the CIA or any government agency wouldn't be stupid enough to think that bar is anywhere near a "safe position" for an agent.

If the dev wanted realism he would probably send Kate just as a field agent/overseer who navigates the whole operation and controls recruited bargirls who snitch for money. Then *insert story twist* happens and Kate have to step in or abort mission. This claim is a bit stronger than current one, anyway.

 

[Crackcocaine]

I have no idea who that Prince of Darkness is or from what universe does he come from. Regarding the agent, why do you say that she is inexperienced. She finished her training with good grades, worked from an office for a bit and so far she handles herself well during spy mission. Inexperienced in terms of sex? Well I guess not every women is a whore, especially not those that receive a good education, that are ambitious and have a good moral compass.

You don't know who he is? The head of the CIA or something that calls you after you break in to download the security footage.


And I say that she's inexperienced because she only started training for field work after shit got drafted for this mission. Before she was just a desk worker, to my knowledge at least. Like I said, it's not about the agent being a whore or something, it's acknowledging that the CIA must have a good amount of people that are willing to do that shit, especially if they have people willing to do much worse shit. Sending someone with a "good moral compass" is exactly the type of person you WOULDN'T want to send on a mission like this as their morals might conflict with their mission and likely break their cover.

There's no way you're going to convince me that the CIA or any similar agency doesn't have any sort of fucked up people that could do this type of work in their sleep. Despite them having people who do MUCH worse shit.

 

[ffive]

Can I ask you where you got this from?
Because it's not from the Patreon game description, and it's also not from the game itself.

It's from how the game was initially developed, pre 1.12 version. You can still play the older build, with the "we need you to work as undercover hooker from the start" storyline from the author's web site. (iirc it's the old engine 1.6.3 build which has that included, the 1.7-1.11 rework in the new engine petered out before getting to that point) The discussions which surrounded the revamp are likely spread across this thread, but please forgive me, i don't really feel determined enough to hunt relevant excerpts for you.