This is the kind of stuff that’s posted on the discord. I swear, I don’t know why people are playing this game if they don’t the premise of it.
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Can I ask you where you got this from?
Because it's not from the Patreon game description, and it's also not from the game itself.
If the dev wanted realism he would probably send Kate just as a field agent/overseer who navigates the whole operation and controls recruited bargirls who snitch for money. Then *insert story twist* happens and Kate have to step in or abort mission. This claim is a bit stronger than current one, anyway.
- Jun 25, 2020
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You don't know who he is? The head of the CIA or something that calls you after you break in to download the security footage.
And I say that she's inexperienced because she only started training for field work after shit got drafted for this mission. Before she was just a desk worker, to my knowledge at least. Like I said, it's not about the agent being a whore or something, it's acknowledging that the CIA must have a good amount of people that are willing to do that shit, especially if they have people willing to do much worse shit. Sending someone with a "good moral compass" is exactly the type of person you WOULDN'T want to send on a mission like this as their morals might conflict with their mission and likely break their cover.
There's no way you're going to convince me that the CIA or any similar agency doesn't have any sort of fucked up people that could do this type of work in their sleep. Despite them having people who do MUCH worse shit.
It's from how the game was initially developed, pre 1.12 version. You can still play the older build, with the "we need you to work as undercover hooker from the start" storyline from the author's web site. (iirc it's the old engine 1.6.3 build which has that included, the 1.7-1.11 rework in the new engine petered out before getting to that point) The discussions which surrounded the revamp are likely spread across this thread, but please forgive me, i don't really feel determined enough to hunt relevant excerpts for you.
The assumption was he would do the same thing I would have done given that is the simplest solution.
I didn't bother to investigate the entirety of it just assumed he got that right. Which you seem to confirm.
Each time she buys something from the a store he created a separate store rather than just one store front and swaping the items out.
I'm saying most of his so called coding comes down to formatting. Not usually counted as programming work by any reputable company or organization.
That doesn't discredit the work he did that is programming. Just says that there isn't much to that effect. Most of the heavy lifting is actually handled by twine and its developers.
It isn't as if he went out and created a game engine and wrote the game from the ground up.
Nor did he take something like Node.js and electron and write his own system on it or pure wrote this in html and js and css on his own.
That isn't to get down on people who use game engines other people created. In many cases there is still a lot of programming that goes on. Just not in this case. Most the programming in this case comes purely down to formatting.
The truth is the pages could have been designed in such a way to handle more of the formatting for him.
I know I wrote a story engine that does all the formatting. The game developer's job is to give select the images and the dialog and then what page the dialog leads to.
My point was it is something that still takes them a good deal of work it isn't a free copy and paste.
My point was it would have taken less code and work for him to do the same thing if he stuck with the SVG.
He could have created 1 svg and wrote one system to modify the color of it rather than having to create multiple images in different colors then widgets to swap them in and out.
Modifying and SVG is the same as modifying HTML open one up and look at it in a text editor.
This discussion started over how much work he put into the last release.
My point was he didn't do much and it didn't comes to but about 3 days works out of the 180 or so days he had.
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My question was where you got the information about the current premise, not the old one.
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Don't give the game maker any new ideas on starting over the origin story...
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I would honestly be surprised if the origin story would make him redo some shit, I feel like the whole devilfish thing would be more likely to warrant that. I was under the impression that devilfish was somehow important to the bar but apparently not..........really don't know why they can't have people running stores outside of the bar or some shit. Sending an agent in for who knows how long simply because he's just a customer there (according to another comment) is kinda dumb to me.
Either way, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything good coming out of this game. Feels like he's just writing a novel now, lol.
Like i said, you'd have to dig through the thread for the mention of it. Although there's always a question of which parts are just speculations, and which are actual dev quotes from discord or wherever.
E.g, if you dig around the patreon reports, you can find
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which suggest the whole revamp was more of a spur of the moment thing:Which is... quite a thing. "So, i've changed the story premise because i needed excuse to cut a scene from the introduction that i struggled with. How will that impact the fact the heroine was supposed to be undercover hooker and have tons of sex as such? lol, i didn't even think about it."
However, you can also find in these reports that
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:This was posted after the bargirl revamp was already in place. So, yeah. People who think they'll spend entire game as a bargirl are in for some severe disappointment.
If you go far back into this very same thread, you can find some posts from Crushtation himself that explains how the game came to be. Don't quote me on this, but the summarised version is: "I initially wanted to make whoring simulator. A good friend told me that wouldn't be successful and I needed a decent story, so the spy thing came to be".
Basically, "you become turbo whore" was always the initial thought. I don't like it mind you, and it is undeniable that the game was never advertised as that.
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Yeah... I once spent a few months of my life programmatically generating SVGs confined by multiple legal regulations that are displayed in at least a few million households. Probably safe to assume I know about and like SVGs.
I still don't think anyone should screw around with a working super-good-enough workflow. This is an indie game. They have a talented artist creating great assets they successfully integrate into their game. And nobody is complaining about the avatar!
Do you see? You or I can think of valid ways to improve the code but none of this is impeding them from releasing more content regularly.
Agree! Except I think they put in many more days of unproductive work.
From a project management perspective, one problem is the minimum timescale is one week not days or even hours. But there's nobody managing or tracking that or asking about work done yesterday, being done today, problems. So back to the old school question of how did a 60 day project take 180 days... Answer: one day at a time.
But I want to end on a positive: the reason why we and so many other people discuss this game is that they really enjoy it and it has great potential. It's far easier to criticize than create, fun too. I hope they stop listening to the sycophants on Patreon, take their medicine from the last update, and work to a release schedule.
From what I’ve seen, the posters on Patreon have actually been pretty critical of the last update, all the sycophants have moved to the toxic ass discord.
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Thank you.
I agree with you, that people will be disappointed if they expect something else from crush.
However, I don't think it's their fault if someone asks for a barkeeper-only route. The way crush is promoting the game, it would fit right in. You can't expect everyone to read hundreds of Patreon posts.
By the way, I think you mix up the words. If I'm correct, bargirls are the hookers.
You're right, should've been barmaid not bargirl :V
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The latest Patreon comments seem to be at least 60:40 nauseatingly positive:
No comments I've seen address the hype cycle: the longer you take to release, the more people expect. If you say you're polishing scenes for six weeks then people rightly expect some substantial fucking content.Patreon simps said:
It's a solved problem: release early, release often to allow for the occasional misfiring update and to get feedback then act on it. Always be working towards the demo.
Next update, late December 2023?
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People on discord trying to find excuses and rationalize for her to suddenly become a prude on bj scene be like:
Being sex positive doesn't mean being sexually abused doesn't hurt you mentally. Shouldn't matter if Kate is a prude or a black widow, this isn't mentally easy for her. You can get used to it, like losing a parent but it take time getting used to the change.
Think of it like putting your hand over a flame. Reluctant Kate will take her hand off REALLY fast, slutty Kate probably can keep her hand on it longer. A black widow Kate might not even move her hand BUT she will notice that it fucking hurts!
Overall though I think it's odd that people want to completely ignore it the trauma. This is a major component of corruption, breaking down someone defenses and molding them into someone else. Kate is being groomed into being a whore, and that can still happen after having a small breakdown. Actually it's kind of important. Corruption doesn't work if you are start completely deprived.
Is the problem that some people don't see this as a corruption game?
Do I think this update is written poorly? Sort of yeah, this trauma scene should be moved to when Connor first forces himself on you... or changed to describe it so it doesn't feel so out of no where, and better yet edited for the type of Kate.
Think of it like putting your hand over a flame. Reluctant Kate will take her hand off REALLY fast, slutty Kate probably can keep her hand on it longer. A black widow Kate might not even move her hand BUT she will notice that it fucking hurts!
Overall though I think it's odd that people want to completely ignore it the trauma. This is a major component of corruption, breaking down someone defenses and molding them into someone else. Kate is being groomed into being a whore, and that can still happen after having a small breakdown. Actually it's kind of important. Corruption doesn't work if you are start completely deprived.
Is the problem that some people don't see this as a corruption game?
Do I think this update is written poorly? Sort of yeah, this trauma scene should be moved to when Connor first forces himself on you... or changed to describe it so it doesn't feel so out of no where, and better yet edited for the type of Kate.
I don't think people want to ignore the trauma. They just balk at things proceeding seemingly out of order, with the trauma explosion over a blowjob when the heroine was already made to fully fuck multiple people (and one of them repeatedly) with little to no apparent reaction from her other than "man it was kinda hot".
^This right here. It’s not the fact that there is trauma, it’s that the particular meltdown she’s having isn’t consistent with where we are in the story.