You're right, should've been barmaid not bargirl :V
You're right, should've been barmaid not bargirl :V
boobthief
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The latest Patreon comments seem to be at least 60:40 nauseatingly positive:
No comments I've seen address the hype cycle: the longer you take to release, the more people expect. If you say you're polishing scenes for six weeks then people rightly expect some substantial fucking content.Patreon simps said:
It's a solved problem: release early, release often to allow for the occasional misfiring update and to get feedback then act on it. Always be working towards the demo.
Next update, late December 2023?
Deniz31
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People on discord trying to find excuses and rationalize for her to suddenly become a prude on bj scene be like:
Being sex positive doesn't mean being sexually abused doesn't hurt you mentally. Shouldn't matter if Kate is a prude or a black widow, this isn't mentally easy for her. You can get used to it, like losing a parent but it take time getting used to the change.
Think of it like putting your hand over a flame. Reluctant Kate will take her hand off REALLY fast, slutty Kate probably can keep her hand on it longer. A black widow Kate might not even move her hand BUT she will notice that it fucking hurts!
Overall though I think it's odd that people want to completely ignore it the trauma. This is a major component of corruption, breaking down someone defenses and molding them into someone else. Kate is being groomed into being a whore, and that can still happen after having a small breakdown. Actually it's kind of important. Corruption doesn't work if you are start completely deprived.
Is the problem that some people don't see this as a corruption game?
Do I think this update is written poorly? Sort of yeah, this trauma scene should be moved to when Connor first forces himself on you... or changed to describe it so it doesn't feel so out of no where, and better yet edited for the type of Kate.
Think of it like putting your hand over a flame. Reluctant Kate will take her hand off REALLY fast, slutty Kate probably can keep her hand on it longer. A black widow Kate might not even move her hand BUT she will notice that it fucking hurts!
Overall though I think it's odd that people want to completely ignore it the trauma. This is a major component of corruption, breaking down someone defenses and molding them into someone else. Kate is being groomed into being a whore, and that can still happen after having a small breakdown. Actually it's kind of important. Corruption doesn't work if you are start completely deprived.
Is the problem that some people don't see this as a corruption game?
Do I think this update is written poorly? Sort of yeah, this trauma scene should be moved to when Connor first forces himself on you... or changed to describe it so it doesn't feel so out of no where, and better yet edited for the type of Kate.
I don't think people want to ignore the trauma. They just balk at things proceeding seemingly out of order, with the trauma explosion over a blowjob when the heroine was already made to fully fuck multiple people (and one of them repeatedly) with little to no apparent reaction from her other than "man it was kinda hot".
^This right here. It’s not the fact that there is trauma, it’s that the particular meltdown she’s having isn’t consistent with where we are in the story.
Yes - there's nothing wrong with the update as written, but it absolutely does need a trigger event - maybe something Ian says during the black bag at the medical office, which festers in her brain at night and on the way to work. Then having the BJ sprung on her u8nexpectedly can just push her over the edge. Having a serious wobble in her resolve is dramatically a good thing.
I’m convinced that half the people on there are ashamed of themselves to be playing a porn game so they desperately perform mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they aren’t and when they give out suggestions it’s to force the game into not being “lewd”.
There is no reason he couldn't track a stat like corruption, smuttiness, lust... and used it to ensure he had a measure for the correct reaction at the point in game.
He also could have story board it and that would have helped him keep track of stuff far easier.
There is software for doing it. Or one can even use HTML and SVG to make one real easy. Even software like Krita's SVG system can be used easily to handle it. Create a box with SVG and set the internal to an image and you can write text in the box regarding the scene. Then create another for the next scene and draw a line from one to the next.
For that matter you can do it the old fashion way with pencil and paper.
With the free tools available to help with such issues I'm not sure even if inexperience is even a good enough excuse for this.
It seems after 6 years you would have at least take the time to look for stuff to make such issues simpler to keep track of.
He also could have story board it and that would have helped him keep track of stuff far easier.
There is software for doing it. Or one can even use HTML and SVG to make one real easy. Even software like Krita's SVG system can be used easily to handle it. Create a box with SVG and set the internal to an image and you can write text in the box regarding the scene. Then create another for the next scene and draw a line from one to the next.
For that matter you can do it the old fashion way with pencil and paper.
With the free tools available to help with such issues I'm not sure even if inexperience is even a good enough excuse for this.
It seems after 6 years you would have at least take the time to look for stuff to make such issues simpler to keep track of.
I'm not sure how long inexperience will be applied to Crush, but for sure 6 or 7 years seems a stretch. I don't believe that inefficiency here has anything to do with technology--and I predict that Crush would not be much better or faster with the best technology than with the worst. I could speculate on the real issue, and I have, but this isn't the place to start mentioning personal speculations about real people. The game went from having many stats to having (from what I hear) none, which looks like in part a response to critique (I saw particular posts about this).
I'm here mostly for the bizarreness of this whole thread, but a secondary interest is the unusual complete overhaul of the game that took place. I think that normally someone is trying to create something similar to what they envision for a game in the first public release. To have something so different now is interesting. It suggests to me to again potentially stem from the early apparent complete shock and dismay that negative feedback of FA could have ever happened from any person. To not expect any negative feedback on the Internet, I don't know how someone gets there.
The (latest) reboot and, especially the removal of the lifepath (technically, hiding, the code is still there) is based on one reason (note that it isn't a *logical* reason): "If I have to take into account all these variables and choices I will never get to Bangkok! Therefore I must remove those parts of the game altogether"
It is of course really silly considering the variables weren't even being used to begin with, and he could have chosen to ignore them altogether like he already did (seriously, back in the days you had stuff like "+1 Riding Motorcycle" and "+1 Rock Music")
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George RR Martin might be faster than him at writing novels at this point. Honestly, I'd be happy if he could just make this a linear graphic novel. Gives me closure that way.
You don't even to go that far back. Even in the current evolution of the game there are several mechanics that don't get used. From the very beginning there was a mechanic where people liked or disliked certain anwers. It is still there. That has never been used. He introduced a suspicion mechanic not too long ago. Not sure what for and how it is supposed to work with a linear story to begin with. I am pretty sure that sex skills are still in the game and so is the dice rolling and occasionally your kinks open up dialogue choices, but only for you to choose between almost identical scenes to begin with.
I am pretty sure I missed a mechanic or two, because that is one of Crush's biggest issues. He introduces mechanics that he thinks are cool, but he never knows how to follow up on them and then they are completely forgotten. I can't even imagine what the code must look like, when you to keep track of several of those.
At this point, even the kink system seems forgotten. You get to choose between only three and they barely matter. At some point you would have thought that he might expand those, but that would force you to rewrite a lot.
I think what Crush and the game really could use (apart from a code monkey who does what Crush does in 20% of the time) was some sort of second dev who focuses on width rather than progressing the story. Let Crush progress the story and let the other guy expand what's currently there. Then again, Crush would need to know where to go with the story in the long run in order not to cause some overlap.
It's never been used because it's all complete sham and can't be used -- aside from couple early cases most characters don't have functional variable(s) to store their liking/respect, and the game doesn't actually record and tally these likes/dislikes, merely displays them as part of scene text. It's pure window dressing.
(that isn't to say it'd be impossible to calculate overall relationship for a given character, even now. But it'd involve checking which of all potential relationship changers the player has picked in their play through, which would be extremely tedious and counter-intuitive way to go about it --and implement it in the first place-- at this point)
Welp, he’s released the “polished” update. It seems he’s bowed to pressure and has decided to force the character on the “innocent, wide eyed, waifu, prude” path. Which essentially renders my main play through dead in the water. Looks I’m out on this game.
I’ll check back in 6 more years to see how it’s doing.
I’ll check back in 6 more years to see how it’s doing.
And since it appears on the discord no one else has a problem with it, highly doubt there will be anymore adjustments made. Really disappointed because despite everything, this was a really well written game.
This update made it so you can pick a reason why whoring gave you trauma.
You can pick, lack of control, worrying about job reputation, or a prudish reason. This is MUCH better than before. Why are you still whining? There are options for non prudes to have self reflection. Thing is, this brought a scene of acceptance about whoring. It makes sense for pretty much all the major tropes of Kate, and moves the story into more sex.
At least complain about the speed of updates.
You can pick, lack of control, worrying about job reputation, or a prudish reason. This is MUCH better than before. Why are you still whining? There are options for non prudes to have self reflection. Thing is, this brought a scene of acceptance about whoring. It makes sense for pretty much all the major tropes of Kate, and moves the story into more sex.
At least complain about the speed of updates.
2 reasons.
1) the main issue that’s ruining this scene for me is her outburst at Ninn. It’s the act of a doe eyed college girl and not a secret agent who we know can think quick on her feet and has her eyes opened to what this mission is. Instead she damn near blows the entire operation right there and behaves like a naive, imbecile which we KNOW she isnt.
2) because even with the choices added, the entire scene STILL doesn’t belong at this point in the story.Too much and FAR more EXTREME stuff has already happened for her to suddenly get cold feet and have a meltdown in the bathroom. All of her worries in her head in this scene are of stuff that has ALREADY happened and she has already compartmentalized and gotten over. Why is she acting like this is all a shock and surprise to her. She already knows she’s being filmed having sex, she’s already given blowjobs to complete strangers, she’s already been fucked against her will. All of this has already occurred and we’ve already done the whole mentally prepare herself song and dance.
At best, this chapter is redundant, at worse its story derailing.
1) the main issue that’s ruining this scene for me is her outburst at Ninn. It’s the act of a doe eyed college girl and not a secret agent who we know can think quick on her feet and has her eyes opened to what this mission is. Instead she damn near blows the entire operation right there and behaves like a naive, imbecile which we KNOW she isnt.
2) because even with the choices added, the entire scene STILL doesn’t belong at this point in the story.Too much and FAR more EXTREME stuff has already happened for her to suddenly get cold feet and have a meltdown in the bathroom. All of her worries in her head in this scene are of stuff that has ALREADY happened and she has already compartmentalized and gotten over. Why is she acting like this is all a shock and surprise to her. She already knows she’s being filmed having sex, she’s already given blowjobs to complete strangers, she’s already been fucked against her will. All of this has already occurred and we’ve already done the whole mentally prepare herself song and dance.
At best, this chapter is redundant, at worse its story derailing.
Well I guess I'm at the point to agree to disagree.
Lets see if the next update in 4 months is short and problematic too lol.
Lets see if the next update in 4 months is short and problematic too lol.