HTML Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[XJ347]

Well I can't speak for you. A good story is what I am here for, that has sex in it.

But personally I hate Mary Sue characters. People aren't perfect, and showing people grow makes a better story. Would a story be as good if Kate was a glorified porn star, and opens up doing gang bangs? That's the equivalent of a Mary Sue in this story. She can do everything from the start and can bang 12 dudes, over and over and over... Other than the fact that it would make no sense, it would also get boring fast. The audience needs more and more spice to keep interest in the story, obviously spice in this context is sex.

I'm just saying you can have ONE sex scene be intentionally unpleasant which is the floor to build off of. Then you add more and more enjoyable sex scenes after and gets more erotic as Kate accepts sex in a new way. Then you can see how throughout the story how Kate has changed. The problem is that this scene isn't the first scene, it's the 4th in the bar... It makes much less sense as the 4th scene, but this scene REALLY needs to take place to create a sense of realism for a story.

In the end, the freakout scene is needed but in the wrong place. Sadly, Kate makes no sense. We are all unhappy, and that will never change.

 

[MrAnarchy]

Well I can't speak for you. A good story is what I am here for, that has sex in it.

But personally I hate Mary Sue characters. People aren't perfect, and showing people grow makes a better story. Would a story be as good if Kate was a glorified porn star, and opens up doing gang bangs? That's the equivalent of a Mary Sue in this story. She can do everything from the start and can bang 12 dudes, over and over and over... Other than the fact that it would make no sense, it would also get boring fast. The audience needs more and more spice to keep interest in the story, obviously spice in this context is sex.

I'm just saying you can have ONE sex scene be intentionally unpleasant which is the floor to build off of. Then you add more and more enjoyable sex scenes after and gets more erotic as Kate accepts sex in a new way. Then you can see how throughout the story how Kate has changed. The problem is that this scene isn't the first scene, it's the 4th in the bar... It makes much less sense as the 4th scene, but this scene REALLY needs to take place to create a sense of realism for a story.

In the end, the freakout scene is needed but in the wrong place. Sadly, Kate makes no sense. We are all unhappy, and that will never change.

This constant strawmanning of anybody who didn’t like this chapter as someone who just wants to see mindless sex scenes is really starting to get old.

I wish people would understand that when we say we don’t like this scene and that we have a problem with it, it’s not because the sex scene was unpleasant or that we think Kate should be some pornstar level sex goddess. It’s because the scene, with how it was written and where it’s been placed, doesn’t make any sense in the part of the story and the section of character development we are at.

I have no problem with unpleasant sex scenes, hell I expect there to be many more as the story continues. But the way her character behaved in this chapter was not consistent with the development we’ve already been through. Nor was the actual sex act any different than she’s already done.
I’m not wanting her to be a Mary Sue who can do everything without batting an eye. I’m all for showing her mental anguish over what she’s going to have to do and the emotional toll it’s going to have to take.

But the problem, is we’ve already covered this part of the development. After her colleagues saw the footage of her getting fucked by Connor. What this chapter has done is essentially undo all the character development from that point and has basically set us back to square one.

 

[Mercedes]

Personally, after "character creation" I don't think it makes any difference which Kate you embody.
In the real storylines there are no differentiations, except maybe a small subordinate clause. For example, at dinner with Krieg, whether one was sporty or preferred to read detective novels. The chosen breast size still gets the most attention here.
Otherwise, the Kinks only have a justification in their dreams so far, when Kate masturbates and imagines a scene.

Also, the two BJ scenes don't really make sense.
In one scene, she gives a blowjob voluntarily, without witnesses, so she could get out of the situation at any time and possibly willingly tells about it at the end. In the other scene, she already behaves like a professional, only to briefly have a crisis in front of the mirror - and that's it. The show must go on. A handful of water in the face, a minty lozenge swallowed briefly, and the scene is forgotten. I still have six hours of titty grabbing ahead of me. Uhh and I'm already wet in the crotch again.

The game has simply become too linear. Basically, it's only about giving the answer that gives the most plus points in the relationship values. Apparently, there are no other values anymore. Even the initial rivalry between Amanda and Ping (?) doesn't play a role in the later course, since you don't have to choose between the two anymore, but instead can increase the affection values for both of them individually.

There is simply a lack of continuity in the storylines. But this is something that was mentioned years ago but never improved. Everything here is somehow treated as a single scene that neither builds on past decisions, nor that it generates great consequences for future events.

That the life path has been dropped is a pity, but somehow understandable, considering the actual starting point of the story, where Kate is supposed to be quite unspoiled when she starts working in Bangkok. In the life path, however, it was possible to have Kate sleep with 80 people while she was still in college. So it doesn't fit. Even the minimum was around 15 sex partners. Basically, however, it would have been enough to massively minimize this number of possible encounters, so that at the end there is a self-created, but sexually not so experienced Kate.

But what helps in the current build to give Kate more personality again?
In my eyes, first and foremost, more references to the player-created Kate. More asides and comments on her appearance. More comments on her chosen outfit. For example, if she wears the leopard set, it might seem sluttier than just one in innocent white. Or just panties that cover half her ass than just a strip of fabric between her ass cheeks.

Oh yes, and clothes. Hach that was once a big topic. How many pictures of clothing suggestions there were. And what did they turn out to be? Once again only prescribed clothes, which actually don't fit the created character at all.
I understand that you can not draw here again for each Figurentpy and then the different chest sizes individual clothing. I think the old clothing folder had well over 28,000 combinations back then, because in the end each piece of clothing had to be drawn on average 10x. But if you chose Exhibitionist, for example, then the skirt you chose should already be 5cm shorter, and the blouse a little lower cut.

Perhaps the easiest thing for Crush to do would be to leave the character creation completely aside and implement a fixed character. That would keep fan expectations to a minimum and allow for a more linear game. But honestly, is that what we as fans want? Then we might as well move on to the next Tomb Raider game.

 

[XJ347]

This constant strawmanning of anybody who didn’t like this chapter as someone who just wants to see mindless sex scenes is really starting to get old.

100% wasn't talking about you. I agree with the vast majority of your post above. Note, I don't like this chapter because it's to little to late. What is written is inconstant, and that inconstancy is one big reason we are all bickering. This internal dialogue should have been MUCH sooner and doesn't work well this late in the game. This update is better than before but it still is not good.

I still see a little positive from it though. Kate internally acknowledges that she will prostitute for the job. That's a first in the game since the reboot. There shouldn't be much more internal resistance like this in future chapters anymore.

I might get a little defensive since most people post so much negativity on this thread that it makes me feel like nothing can please them and I can get dismissive. Which isn't fair and I shouldn't do that. I'll stop posting for now and wait for next patch, which is what 4 months away LOL for a single sex scene... /sigh

Crush's major problem is the speed of updates. If they came out faster people might be more forgiving.

I was talking about...

This is a porn game, and with the exception of sadists, most people aren't going to interested in reading about the agent having lame, painful or miserable sex that leaves her traumatized.

 

[ffive]

Although I do think he has a weird thing for having the sex scenes be extremely brief, like the agent orgasms in under two minutes and the whole sex scene is explicitly stated to be done in under five, usually comprising one position, two tops.

It's not weird when you consider it takes place after literal hours of Kate getting groped and kept in permanent state of high arousal. Connor doesn't have to work on anything, the whole thing is just him having a quick pump and dump at the end of the busy day, it's not his concern if the girl gets off on it or not.

 

[Geffe]

It's not weird when you consider it takes place after literal hours of Kate getting groped and kept in permanent state of high arousal. Connor doesn't have to work on anything, the whole thing is just him having a quick pump and dump at the end of the busy day, it's not his concern if the girl gets off on it or not.

Yeah, the occasional sex scene like that works fine... it's just it seems like almost every sex scene is like that. We are several years and multiple updates into this game, yet all of the sex scenes are short, perfunctory, and mostly lacking in significant choices.

 

[vicaddict]

None of that is a surprise. He never knew where the game was going and he never will. He treats every update as a singular event, an isolated scene. He doesn't know where the game is supposed to be going, therefor it is just a string of more or less unrelated events. Whenever he comes across a new mechanic, he spends hours to implement them, only for them to never be used again.

One can only imagine what it would look like, if he deceided to go back and add the depth and the choices that he promised to do at some point.

Saddest thing is, dude can write. But we are still in the prologue

 

[MrAnarchy]

100% wasn't talking about you. I agree with the vast majority of your post above. Note, I don't like this chapter because it's to little to late. What is written is inconstant, and that inconstancy is one big reason we are all bickering. This internal dialogue should have been MUCH sooner and doesn't work well this late in the game. This update is better than before but it still is not good.

I still see a little positive from it though. Kate internally acknowledges that she will prostitute for the job. That's a first in the game since the reboot. There shouldn't be much more internal resistance like this in future chapters anymore.

I might get a little defensive since most people post so much negativity on this thread that it makes me feel like nothing can please them and I can get dismissive. Which isn't fair and I shouldn't do that. I'll stop posting for now and wait for next patch, which is what 4 months away LOL for a single sex scene... /sigh

Crush's major problem is the speed of updates. If they came out faster people might be more forgiving.

I was talking about...

Apologies. The toxicity of the discord has me little on edge. Lol

 

[okokok]

the whole thing is just him having a quick pump and dump at the end of the busy day, it's not his concern if the girl gets off on it or not.

Don't think that's the case. The bar would have an easier time persuading the girls who are getting off during those quick sessions to bargirl. That's why Nin and the girl with her were satisfied to see the state of the agent after her sessions with Connor

Or that's how I read the scene from a while ago that was not long after Nin was introduced

 

[ffive]

Don't think that's the case. The bar would have an easier time persuading the girls who are getting off during those quick sessions to bargirl. That's why Nin and the girl with her were satisfied to see the state of the agent after her sessions with Connor

Or that's how I read the scene from a while ago that was not long after Nin was introduced

That's likely a part of it, but i think it's also Connor (and Tid) simply getting his rocks off effectively for free rather than having to buy a hooker with his own money. After all, if they wanted actual bargirls then they can just hire girls willing/desperate enough to do this work to begin with, and skip the whole "maybe she'll get used to it, maybe she'll quit" song and dance that can drag for months without any real result -- the other barmaids are also getting fucked by the bosses, and made to give Bonaht blowjobs regularly, something that's been going on for much longer, and yet they are still barmaids and not bargirls. So the idea that this is somehow making girls easier to persuade clearly isn't working out in practice.

 

[CassieBare]

Personally, after "character creation" I don't think it makes any difference which Kate you embody.
In the real storylines there are no differentiations, except maybe a small subordinate clause. For example, at dinner with Krieg, whether one was sporty or preferred to read detective novels. The chosen breast size still gets the most attention here.
Otherwise, the Kinks only have a justification in their dreams so far, when Kate masturbates and imagines a scene.

Also, the two BJ scenes don't really make sense.
In one scene, she gives a blowjob voluntarily, without witnesses, so she could get out of the situation at any time and possibly willingly tells about it at the end. In the other scene, she already behaves like a professional, only to briefly have a crisis in front of the mirror - and that's it. The show must go on. A handful of water in the face, a minty lozenge swallowed briefly, and the scene is forgotten. I still have six hours of titty grabbing ahead of me. Uhh and I'm already wet in the crotch again.

The game has simply become too linear. Basically, it's only about giving the answer that gives the most plus points in the relationship values. Apparently, there are no other values anymore. Even the initial rivalry between Amanda and Ping (?) doesn't play a role in the later course, since you don't have to choose between the two anymore, but instead can increase the affection values for both of them individually.

There is simply a lack of continuity in the storylines. But this is something that was mentioned years ago but never improved. Everything here is somehow treated as a single scene that neither builds on past decisions, nor that it generates great consequences for future events.

That the life path has been dropped is a pity, but somehow understandable, considering the actual starting point of the story, where Kate is supposed to be quite unspoiled when she starts working in Bangkok. In the life path, however, it was possible to have Kate sleep with 80 people while she was still in college. So it doesn't fit. Even the minimum was around 15 sex partners. Basically, however, it would have been enough to massively minimize this number of possible encounters, so that at the end there is a self-created, but sexually not so experienced Kate.

But what helps in the current build to give Kate more personality again?
In my eyes, first and foremost, more references to the player-created Kate. More asides and comments on her appearance. More comments on her chosen outfit. For example, if she wears the leopard set, it might seem sluttier than just one in innocent white. Or just panties that cover half her ass than just a strip of fabric between her ass cheeks.

Oh yes, and clothes. Hach that was once a big topic. How many pictures of clothing suggestions there were. And what did they turn out to be? Once again only prescribed clothes, which actually don't fit the created character at all.
I understand that you can not draw here again for each Figurentpy and then the different chest sizes individual clothing. I think the old clothing folder had well over 28,000 combinations back then, because in the end each piece of clothing had to be drawn on average 10x. But if you chose Exhibitionist, for example, then the skirt you chose should already be 5cm shorter, and the blouse a little lower cut.

Perhaps the easiest thing for Crush to do would be to leave the character creation completely aside and implement a fixed character. That would keep fan expectations to a minimum and allow for a more linear game. But honestly, is that what we as fans want? Then we might as well move on to the next Tomb Raider game.

Don't give him ideas that say 'restart the game'. He will.

 

[okokok]

That's likely a part of it, but i think it's also Connor (and Tid) simply getting his rocks off effectively for free rather than having to buy a hooker with his own money. After all, if they wanted actual bargirls then they can just hire girls willing/desperate enough to do this work to begin with, and skip the whole "maybe she'll get used to it, maybe she'll quit" song and dance that can drag for months without any real result -- the other barmaids are also getting fucked by the bosses, and made to give Bonaht blowjobs regularly, something that's been going on for much longer, and yet they are still barmaids and not bargirls. So the idea that this is somehow making girls easier to persuade clearly isn't working out in practice.

From Connor and co's perspective sure

They're not just looking for any girls remember. They're looking for young attractive, white, english speakers. That's the bars point of difference with the other bazillion bars. They could have them brought in from overseas (and likely have) but there's no way that's not expensive so if they can ensnare tourists they sure as hell would

I wouldn't say the process does not work, would bet Steph and the other western girls from girls night out went through it. Doubt any of them rocked up hoping to be whores. Wouldn't be surprised if we see the eastern european girl who showed the agent the ropes during her first shift on her back in the vip room in the next few updates just to show that progression

 

[ffive]

I wouldn't say the process does not work, would bet Steph and the other western girls from girls night out went through it.

There's literally three foreign bargirls in the HCC, that we can see. Sadie was forth. Bulk of them is Thai. I don't think it's even a given that all three foreign girls started as barmaids? Can't really remember. For a supposed point of difference from other similar places, it is very much laughable, as is the efficiency of such process if that's all they have to show for it when the establishment has been there for years.

 

[grahegri]

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[BizeBire]

Also why isn't the new girl getting "broken in" by Connor?

Do you mean before getting a job or after her first shift? If the former - we don't really know if he didn't. If the latter - it's Connor's day off so he's not in the bar.

 

[DatBoit]

This game is going in the entirely wrong direction. In the last few updates, all player agency has been removed, replaced by a completely linear story where you are supposed to go along with even the most outrageous of suggestions, regardless of how little sense they make.

It is an enormous shame, because I was actually quite impressed when I first played the overhauled version of the game a couple of years ago. I felt it had taken a much more balanced approach: the agent was generally not pushed into being a whore by the agency, and although there were some forced scenes (most notably the interview with Connor), they were not completely illogical.

A few shifts in, though, and the agent has seemingly accepted a number of conditions that would be unimaginable before taking the job. She has accepted that Connor will use her after every shift, she has accepted she will have to sleep with just about anyone to fit in with her bar girl friends, and she is being blackmailed by the bar's management. All while being encouraged to continue by the agency and, by the looks of things, enjoying it herself.

This makes zero sense. We are talking about a highly skilled, highly trained, intelligence agent, that was presented with a job of working topless in a bar. But I am supposed to believe that after only 4-5 shifts she has unquestioningly accepted that she will need to prostitute herself to continue the mission? Even though, in a real scenario, this would be avoided at all costs? I have no way of outsmarting anyone, any choice you make to avoid something is immediately punished, and we are resorting to the cheapest rationale one could ever come up with for motivating certain scenes: "do this or lose your job".

This issue with all of this is that it is immersion-ruining. I want to make the agent a bargirl just as much as anoyone, but it has to be natural. It has to be believable. And when you force the agent down a certain path, you lose all credibility. Had this been a real situation, any forced sex, any blackmail, would instantly backfire and the agent would be asked to be taken out of the mission. This creates a huge dissonance between what happens in the game and what you actually think should happen, with the unfortunate implication that you can't enjoy the content that is there.

It is a large tragedy, because this game does have a lot of potential. However, it is being wasted through poor execution. To salvage what remains to be salvaged, player agency needs to be increased, and the game must regain its more balanced approach. The agent has to slowly start stretching her boundries and slowly start to change her mindset, rather than accepting to be raped from day one.

 

[I-No]

[...] in a real scenario, this would be avoided at all costs?

I am not familiar with real world intelligence regulations and procedures which makes it difficult to disagree with you. But you seem to forget that "Female Agent" is a porn game after all. It's like most space flight games ignoring Newton's physics while presenting flashy propulsion engine sounds in vacuum. Sometimes games work even better if the realism is bent to a certain degree. I can assure you I am quite fine with the content and the limited realism of Female Agent...

 

[DatBoit]

I am not familiar with real world intelligence regulations and procedures which makes it difficult to disagree with you. But you seem to forget that "Female Agent" is a porn game after all. It's like most space flight games ignoring Newton's physics while presenting flashy propulsion engine sounds in vacuum. Sometimes games work even better if the realism is bent to a certain degree. I can assure you I am quite fine with the content and the limited realism of Female Agent...

I'm not advocating for realism, I'm advocating for believablity. The game is already inherently unrealistic, which is no problem, but it does become a problem when a character is acting in a polar opposite way from how I'd expect them to act.

 

[I-No]

I'm advocating for believablity.

Yes, the believability is lacking somewhat. I find it hard to believe that our agent has more problems performing a simple blowjob than getting literally raped and manhandled the end of each shift. But still it works fine as a porn game. The only thing I really don't like about "Female Agent" are the updates being too small and way too few...

 

[ffive]

Had this been a real situation, any forced sex, any blackmail, would instantly backfire and the agent would be asked to be taken out of the mission.

Well, obviously it's not real. Furthermore, the game addresses this in the last update, when the MC has her breakdown moment -- the agency is targeting a major terrorist, and possibility of catching/killing him is perceived as much more valuable than one of their agents having sex as long as she herself doesn't ask to be withdrawn. These people aren't doting helicopter parents who will make your choices for you.