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I’m much much happier with this approach, and if it works out I think it’s got some important advantages going forward – not least that if the episodes are a little skinnier, then we’ll make faster progress towards the part of the story that I really want to write (the heroine bargirling).

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Faster progress?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*coughcough*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, that Crush. What a card.
 

weird_queer

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just realized how puch people are pledging per month. It's insane that this game has been dragging on for 7 years. Madness. Crushstation is milking them dry and they're too horny to realize it
 
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It has always been clear that Crush finds writing hard.

He can code but he can't draw and he can't write with any great ease. He can research places, he can come up with basic character concepts and he can even find voices for them but he's struggling with plot and character consistency. That's most of the way towards being able to write but clearly, his creative process isn't working for him and it's jacking him up.

I must say, I agree with the decision to ditch the stuff about the boots as it wouldn't have worked... the last update was all about the agent going 'WTF am I doing here?' and then suddenly she's buying boots and going goth? I guess that might make sense if she's thinking 'Oh... I'll assume a different persona, that way it's not me who is doing all this weird shit' but even then, I would argue that that's shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. On a more basic level, she's already working in a topless bar! Putting on thigh-high boots and more eye-liner doesn't make her look more slutty. If anything it's woefully impractical as PVC is incredibly hot and South-East Asia is insanely hot. An hour working in those boots and you'd collapse.

Also, the boots are an obvious displacement activity. He doesn't want to write plot and so he's gone back to fussing with the assets and he hoped that introducing new assets would produce interesting scenes. If fussing with the assets for the first six years of this game's development didn't produce plot, why would it now? That's Crush drifting back into old habits.

I don't know if he pops in here (probably not) but I think he might benefit from focusing on characters a bit more (particularly as this is now a linear virtual novel rather than a sandbox) Delve into the agent's relationship with the Scottish guy or her male handler, how about the individual girls at the bar? Early sections suggested there might be tensions within the staff at the bar, it might be worth exploring those. Work on the characters, think about what motivates them, and quite quickly you start to develop some drama and drama can easily be turned into sexual tension that eventually yields sex scenes.

Either that or hire someone to do the writing. Seriously, he should find a smut writer he likes (there are loads on literotica and AO3) and pay them like 200 bucks for a chapter outline. Treat it like the illustrations. Most amateur smut writers would take his arm off at the shoulder for the opportunity.
 

MrAnarchy

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It has always been clear that Crush finds writing hard.

He can code but he can't draw and he can't write with any great ease. He can research places, he can come up with basic character concepts and he can even find voices for them but he's struggling with plot and character consistency. That's most of the way towards being able to write but clearly, his creative process isn't working for him and it's jacking him up.

I must say, I agree with the decision to ditch the stuff about the boots as it wouldn't have worked... the last update was all about the agent going 'WTF am I doing here?' and then suddenly she's buying boots and going goth? I guess that might make sense if she's thinking 'Oh... I'll assume a different persona, that way it's not me who is doing all this weird shit' but even then, I would argue that that's shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. On a more basic level, she's already working in a topless bar! Putting on thigh-high boots and more eye-liner doesn't make her look more slutty. If anything it's woefully impractical as PVC is incredibly hot and South-East Asia is insanely hot. An hour working in those boots and you'd collapse.

Also, the boots are an obvious displacement activity. He doesn't want to write plot and so he's gone back to fussing with the assets and he hoped that introducing new assets would produce interesting scenes. If fussing with the assets for the first six years of this game's development didn't produce plot, why would it now? That's Crush drifting back into old habits.

I don't know if he pops in here (probably not) but I think he might benefit from focusing on characters a bit more (particularly as this is now a linear virtual novel rather than a sandbox) Delve into the agent's relationship with the Scottish guy or her male handler, how about the individual girls at the bar? Early sections suggested there might be tensions within the staff at the bar, it might be worth exploring those. Work on the characters, think about what motivates them, and quite quickly you start to develop some drama and drama can easily be turned into sexual tension that eventually yields sex scenes.

Either that or hire someone to do the writing. Seriously, he should find a smut writer he likes (there are loads on literotica and AO3) and pay them like 200 bucks for a chapter outline. Treat it like the illustrations. Most amateur smut writers would take his arm off at the shoulder for the opportunity.
Everything you said, people have been telling him for years and each and every time he rejects the advice and says “THIS TIME, he’ll finally make it work”
He clearly doesn’t want any help and as long as his sycophants on discord keep telling him that he’s the greatest writer since Hemingway, he’s just going to keep doing the same old shit.
 
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Funny :ROFLMAO:
He codes on the same level he writes, otherwise that would be a RPG and not a kinetic novel

He is very skilled in communications and finding excuses why he did nothing :WeSmart:
I know this has been said before but it's important it doesn't get forgotten.

The "hard" part of the code, for example the dice rolls, or the dynamic animations (the three or four that do exist), is not done by Crush. He has mentioned quite a few times that all that "hard code monkey stuff" is done by another collaborator, a certain Hyneman
 

leg28

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Crush gonna Crush. Spends a month+ obsessing about something then throws it in the trash basically.
and that's how easy 6k$ went to his pocket in february.
whole month of work was in fact finding in google images gothic booth and copy/paste it into parteon with several words how hard working month was (truth or lie, it doesn't matter) for him. watching booth and thinking.

what is obvious now, new update will be another day in office as barmaid. and after year of repeating this bar scene in every update, he is now struggling how to do it. can i guess? pick a thong and heels, serve drinks at bar to bunch of foreigners, being gropped. repeat that with bunch of locals. dress up. go to street luring tourist. chatting with whores and barmaids about whoring, come back, serve drinks, go through floor into vip. serve drinks there, get gropped, reject money, get out. watch lesbian show from the floor. get gropped there too. return to bar. end shift. get fucked in office. take money and leave. did i miss something?
 

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Over the past...18 months, 2 years, something like that, a professional writer and a professional editor came to his Discord at separate times and said essentially the exact same things: Crush was burned out on writing and it would not get better while he continues his current path. They both recommended the same remedy, too: Crush do the plotting, research, and high-level conceptual stuff and then delegate 100% of the writing to a volunteer "writers room", which would mimic the way virtually every successful television show works. Every single time the creator of a television show tries to do everything (except Aaron Sorkin, who seems to be the exception) burnout quickly results.

In both the above cases, all Crush's squeeing fanboys jumped all over the professionals and then Crush told them their advice is irrelevant.

Crush won't change because he is making a very comfortable living doing absolutely nothing. Any change he makes is detrimental to him because it would mean he has to work instead of taking handouts from suckers. He is a scammer and he will be until the scam stops working.
 

Senor Smut

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and that's how easy 6k$ went to his pocket in february.
whole month of work was in fact finding in google images gothic booth and copy/paste it into parteon with several words how hard working month was (truth or lie, it doesn't matter) for him. watching booth and thinking.

what is obvious now, new update will be another day in office as barmaid. and after year of repeating this bar scene in every update, he is now struggling how to do it. can i guess? pick a thong and heels, serve drinks at bar to bunch of foreigners, being gropped. repeat that with bunch of locals. dress up. go to street luring tourist. chatting with whores and barmaids about whoring, come back, serve drinks, go through floor into vip. serve drinks there, get gropped, reject money, get out. watch lesbian show from the floor. get gropped there too. return to bar. end shift. get fucked in office. take money and leave. did i miss something?
You did miss something: the cut-and-paste "Why am I enjoying this degrading treatment?" internal monologue. Can't forget that, because that's like 15% of every. Single. Update.
 

leg28

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Funny :ROFLMAO:
He codes on the same level he writes, otherwise that would be a RPG and not a kinetic novel

He is very skilled in communications and finding excuses why he did nothing :WeSmart:
indeed. this idea, concept (including even some material he wrote) what a great rpg game would be in hands of some masters of choice based games like eva kiss. prostitution and serving drinks were covered nicely in fashion business... instead game we have skilled trickster full of excuses. and yet he is bulletproof in supporters count.
 

Vibesy

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Crush do the plotting, research, and high-level conceptual stuff and then delegate 100% of the writing to a volunteer "writers room"
Could he even handle the plotting? It should be super simple to come up with one or a few barmaid scenes given he has supposedly been working on it for two months (not to mention 6 or 7 years of planning). I think the real problem is that Crush has no idea how to handle the transition to bargirl and where to take the story from there. Hence we keep getting detours like the Syria escapade, or Russian date stuff or Bangkok tourism.

It doesn't matter how many writers you have working for you if you have no vision or ideas for core story development.
 

leg28

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Crush won't change because he is making a very comfortable living doing absolutely nothing. Any change he makes is detrimental to him because it would mean he has to work instead of taking handouts from suckers. He is a scammer and he will be until the scam stops working.
and this is crucial point why our rantings and resonable suggestions have no influence: he is doing good "working" alone. sheeps getting milked every 1st of month and don't want any changes. even contributing with suggestions how to re-write existing scene from previous update, what he is happy to oblige since it delays new update (and gives him alibi for next 2-3 months of doing nothing.
if he accepted reorganization updates will be faster, end will be much sooner and he would be forced to pay something to team. shorter game's life-span and less money. why would he accept that?
 
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You did miss something: the cut-and-paste "Why am I enjoying this degrading treatment?" internal monologue. Can't forget that, because that's like 15% of every. Single. Update.
This makes me think maybe it'd be a good idea to add some dialogue and action options for the sex scenes that aren't meant to have big story implications. Just some extra options contained within the scene, to make the storytelling more varied and engaging.
 

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Could he even handle the plotting? It should be super simple to come up with one or a few barmaid scenes given he has supposedly been working on it for two months (not to mention 6 or 7 years of planning). I think the real problem is that Crush has no idea how to handle the transition to bargirl and where to take the story from there. Hence we keep getting detours like the Syria escapade, or Russian date stuff or Bangkok tourism.

It doesn't matter how many writers you have working for you if you have no vision or ideas for core story development.
I think you're right on the nail. There's nothing wrong with the actual writing. It's not great, not bad, just there to convey the story as opposed to drawing you in with glowing prose. And that's perfectly fine, we're here for the sex.

It's the storytelling where he falls down. There's nothing new or earthshaking about honey traps (which is the correct term, even though he says honey *pot* in the game). Every intelligence agency has used them and is using them right now. So there's way too much angst and way too much acting like nobody's sure how to deal with it at the CIA. They're plenty used to agents, male and female, fucking for the sake of their cover.

Played with a little more humor the bar cover could be fun and sexy and wild, and present the character with some genuinely unique situations.

But that's the thing- having her fuck on arrival and regularly get railed literally from the start of the assignment took most of the corruption suspense out of the bar. Now it's just a question of *when* she's taking dick in the VIP room, not *whether*. And it feels like he's at a loss for how to balance the notion that she's being corrupted with her established willingness to go as far as she needs to go.

A much better angle for the CIA spooks would be them pushing her to go farther. Like, have her report that a possible person of interest likes the VIP room and they're like "Okay, we'll set you up with some PrEP. Now go get him, tiger". Or have her mention drugs and they give her a rundown on exactly what effects she can expect from different amounts of blow or MDMA.

There's just no way on earth her CIA bosses would ever act shocked or discourage her from partying it up for her cover. They'll tell you right up front that you may need to do drugs for your cover, or "get close" to someone, etc. Hell, if your cover requires that you be comfortable with drugs, they'll supply the blow to get you used to it. The CIA doesn't clutch its pearls.
 

XJ347

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Funny thing is the discord seems to be on copium.

I bring up the point that there are issues with open world as a whore. When it's open you either have to account for the order of events and write different versions for each order (which Crush will never do) OR you write more generic scenes where the order doesn't matter. Not only that, there is more sex, which means you either need to describe more sex scenes, which slows game progression, or skip mundane scenes.


Half the people think he will hand write every single sex scenes to be unique and think it will not slow down the game... CRAZY! That doesn't even bring up the problem with progression in sex. IF you write vaginal sex over and over and over again, it will get boring. You need to increase the intensity slowly over time to make it interesting, which Crush has been doing well so far.

I personally think Crush is stalling, doing the pointless Christmas episode to not deal with this impending problem. If you haven't learned, your not being made a whore yet. I think there are logistical reasons he is stalling.
 
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