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deathgothic

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lol, really? After more than 7 years of development the story isn’t in its mid point yet
Are you blind?
No i am not, i am a realist. Many adult games are in this kind of dev cycle, due to being worked by people during their off-time. And given the story seem also be using a somewhat realistic approach to espoinage. In reality, the MC most likely spend at least several weeks if not months to build a rapport with Lauren and the others at the level she is in. Infiltration is an exception in the spy world not the norm.

I do admit if it wasnt the variouis mid engine shifts during the development, we might have seen the full story by now.
 

orellion

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No i am not, i am a realist. Many adult games are in this kind of dev cycle, due to being worked by people during their off-time. And given the story seem also be using a somewhat realistic approach to espoinage. In reality, the MC most likely spend at least several weeks if not months to build a rapport with Lauren and the others at the level she is in. Infiltration is an exception in the spy world not the norm.

I do admit if it wasnt the variouis mid engine shifts during the development, we might have seen the full story by now.
A lot of the hostility toward Crush stems from the idea is he is making some king's ransom in earnings from the game. It's hardly the case though once you do some critical thinking on par of a ten year old.

Let's assume Crush receives $6000/m between Patreon and SStar.
Victoria's cut? Probably 50%
Earnings now at $3000
What's that? Taxes and Patreon fees?
Earnings now at $2000
A basic health and dental plan runs $500 a month.
Earnings now at $1500

So, assuming he is from the US, $1500 is about the bare minimum to live on even in the cheapest parts of the country.
 
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robin312

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Many adult games are in this kind of dev cycle, due to being worked by people during their off-time.
Crush working on his VN full time for 5(?) years
Person made stardew valley for a less time without a dedicated painter, because he learned how to draw and write music along game development in parallel

A lot of the hostility toward Crush stems from the idea is he is making some king's ransom in earnings from the game
No one really care about crush's earning
The main issue here in his lies. He is constantly make promises and then drops deadlines for months, excludes promised content and makes thing no one him instead of progressing the game further
There were multiple attempts to help him, expand the team with 1-2 people who will help to setup processes of development (he was PM himself btw) and help with writing (programming extremely easy in this game)

He refused everything

This game is neverending story, because the purpose of this game making money and milk patrons, not creating a good VN
 

deathgothic

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Crush working on his VN full time for 5(?) years
Person made stardew valley for a less time without a dedicated painter, because he learned how to draw and write music along game development in parallel


No one really care about crush's earning
The main issue here in his lies. He is constantly make promises and then drops deadlines for months, excludes promised content and makes thing no one him instead of progressing the game further
There were multiple attempts to help him, expand the team with 1-2 people who will help to setup processes of development (he was PM himself btw) and help with writing (programming extremely easy in this game)

He refused everything

This game is neverending story, because the purpose of this game making money and milk patrons, not creating a good VN
I can see point your point
 

Ravnen

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Yeah I gave up on this game a while back. One things is the constant forced sexual scenes with ugly fat dudes, the other is the fact that game has been rebooted I dont know how many times..
 

Sharpx23

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What I don't get is lots of bitching, but nobody is making their own game. The spin offs all suck for various reasons imo, from writing to graphics/under utilization of features. Blue swallow is 2 page read every time you click next you're met with wall of text and a scroll bar, with sub par paperdoll and visuals. Future agent is good but fast paced, written by foreigner, so with some english mistakes, and last updated 2 months ago. Also the art again is sub par.

Crush is slow and unfocused, sometimes rewriting a scene or just delaying updates. But the features he's adding are good for a game and when in a good development cycle - provided people can steal them and use them, or provided they are open source? If this is the case, that it's all open source basically, than just use his character sheet, the paper doll, and make a better game with all these features. I am good in photoshop, from editing alone I could copy basically everything in FA, and apply to a new game. Heck I could probably make my own game.

Basically the great boon here is all the time crush and vic wasted on features. Use it in your own games.
 

ffive

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What I don't get is lots of bitching, but nobody is making their own game. The spin offs all suck for various reasons imo, from writing to graphics/under utilization of features.
You're contradicting yourself from one sentence to another there. If no one was making their own game there would be no spin-offs for you to bitch about.

And if these spin-offs aren't up to your standards... well, like you said, you could probably make your own. Knock yourself out.

Also, i don't think anything Crush has made is really open source? Certainly doesn't seem to have anything on his site along the lines of "take all my shit and make your own game if you want".
 
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Sharpx23

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You're contradicting yourself from one sentence to another there. If no one was making their own game there would be no spin-offs for you to bitch about.

And if these spin-offs aren't up to your standards... well, like you said, you could probably make your own. Knock yourself out.

Also, i don't think anything Crush has made is really open source? Certainly doesn't seem to have anything on his site along the lines of "take all my shit and make your own game if you want".
He should open source it IMO. I didn't contradict myself, 2 spin offs in 7 years isn't amazing compared to the 1000 people bitching about the game over that time. There should have been 500 spin offs, with better developers than the one for blue swallow or future agent. I'm sure some talented people bitched here who could actually make a good game, but they'd rather bitch than do it themselves I guess. Also the only value crush adds to anything is if he open sources the features of the game... since we can't expect to play FA in another 10 years, this is the only value of his work - that he developed an infrastructure/avatar system with victoria that's easy to replicate for other html porn games to use. This way in 10 years we don't get only FA out of the bargain but maybe 20 other games, and some of them are actually being developed or finished.
 
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ffive

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He should open source it IMO.
Considering it's his source of income, he has absolutely no reason to and quite a few against.

I didn't contradict myself, 2 spin offs in 7 years isn't amazing compared to the 1000 people bitching about the game over that time. There should have been 500 spin offs, with better developers than the one for blue swallow or future agent.
I'm sorry, but this is just... dumb. 500 spin offs out of 1000 bitching people? (nevermind that there's probably no more than few dozens of people here actually complaining) So like, every other person who played FA and didn't like slow development going and starting their own version of the game? This completely ignores that people who make games are a tiny amount compared to how many simply plays them. In fact, having 2 spin offs (and a parody, the Girl Spy) is far more than what about every other game on this site which has been similarly dragging its feet for 5+ years can boast.

But i'm looking forward to the 3rd spin off you'll make. No doubt it'll be great. Please, don't disappoint us.
 

Sharpx23

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Considering it's his source of income, he has absolutely no reason to and quite a few against.


I'm sorry, but this is just... dumb. 500 spin offs out of 1000 bitching people? (nevermind that there's probably no more than few dozens of people here actually complaining) So like, every other person who played FA and didn't like slow development going and starting their own version of the game? This completely ignores that people who make games are a tiny amount compared to how many simply plays them. In fact, having 2 spin offs (and a parody, the Girl Spy) is far more than what about every other game on this site which has been similarly dragging its feet for 5+ years can boast.

But i'm looking forward to the 3rd spin off you'll make. No doubt it'll be great. Please, don't disappoint us.
You gotta relax and not cherry pick things people say in exaggeration online and take them so literally. It makes you look petty, or maybe unable to decipher exaggeration or sarcasm, so some form of autistic condition maybe? Anyway, over 11 years (or however long the course of the game has been in dev) I am sure it's more than a few dozen people who have complained about update times. In my opinion, if the game was open sourced there would be a lot more games of it's type, with the same features and art style being created, than just 2 spin offs and a parody, this is the basic meaning of what I am writing. Perhaps try and extrapolate the basic ideas, without demanding I be totally precise and accurate in my wording. Or you know, ignore me. That works too.

I don't really think it's against crushes interests to open source everything. He would actually be more respected and loved by the community, if he supported games and also created an open source art library with victoria for other developers to use in their own HTML games... and then developers and artists could contribute to it, thereby in some ways potentially benefiting him too. If he made available everything needed for others to develop similar games, I also believe it wouldn't even affect his income. Anyway, you believe what you want though, and I will do the same.

Lastly, I am not on here bitching very often. So I don't really have to make a game. I mostly bitch once a year at most, and usually bitch at other peoples bitching because it doesn't meet my standards of bitching. Plus it would take me two weeks to learn how to code a game like this, which would be more effort than I am willing to put into it. I could probably help someone with art on the side, like I could easily theft everything and put it in photo-shop and create layers and then probably design new outfits, and definitely easily change colours of things all with editing, not even by drawing anything myself. And I think it's hard to even go after anyone for copyright on things like this especially if they have been altered in the tiniest of ways. But also, nobody has time and money for lawyers so people could just outright steal content if they wanted to... especially if they were overseas or hard to pin down a location for.

Crush did send me the original PSDs of the game once, I bet if anyone asked him for them he would just hand them over, so part of me thinks he's not that opposed to spin offs or people using things from FA that much anyway. I ended up deleting them though.
 
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xfaktorx

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I don't get it, is there a backstory for the character in this game? Was there deleted content? In the current version, I don't choose anything except kinks. And the game has lines for high intelligence, geeks, etc.
There is nothing in the character profile either.
 
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CassieBare

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I don't get it, is there a backstory for the character in this game? Was there deleted content? In the current version, I don't choose anything except kinks. And the game has lines for high intelligence, geeks, etc.
There is nothing in the character profile either.
There's nothing to get. There's nothing to play, either.

The current iteration is an amalgam of three or four 'revamps' where material was scrapped, some reimplemented, and a bare amount of novel creation with each go. So what you're seeing is a mess of spaghetti from one very, very confused chef looking at a bunch of recipes he scribbled out in his wild imaginings.
 

xfaktorx

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There's nothing to get. There's nothing to play, either.

The current iteration is an amalgam of three or four 'revamps' where material was scrapped, some reimplemented, and a bare amount of novel creation with each go. So what you're seeing is a mess of spaghetti from one very, very confused chef looking at a bunch of recipes he scribbled out in his wild imaginings.
Oh. That's sad to hear(
The game's development time was very promising. 7 years...
Anyway, thanks for the clarification
 
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gds21

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Dev report on Patreon:



New

Hey guys! Since the last report we were mainly working through some technical issues related to hair layers.
Currently the hair assets are all individually coloured in Illustrator, then uploaded as separate images. But the new hairs are more complex and numerous, so we're planning to use an SVG layer instead to handle the colour; the idea is that we can change the colour dynamically using code instead of manually recolouring and uploading everything.
We've been tackling some technical challenges over the past few days. Firstly, the game code wasn't set up to handle SVG assets, so this needed to be fixed! Then we hit some problems where the colour layer wasn't aligning properly with the underlying shape/detail layer, despite being exactly the same dimensions.
Anyway, we solved this problem today (it was to do with the export settings in Illustrator) and now the new SVG assets are working fine in the game engine and lining up seamlessly. Our illustrator lovely Victoria is experimenting with attractive colours.
Sorry for a slightly dull report – this kind of work is tedious but necessary in order to improve certain systems (like character hair).
While I was working on this I had some really great feedback from testers, which will improve the youth lifepath section and make it flow better. I'm gonna pivot back to that next and incorporate the improvements. Have a great what's-left-of-Monday guys! ❤‍
 
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Honestly, out of all the weekly updates, I can definitely see this being problematic. Working with SVG has its own set of pains (as well as advantages) and alignment issues plus making it work properly with the Sugarcube/Twine engine sounds like even more problems, so I can see it taking as much (at least when you consider he's never done it before)
 
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