And I thought you didn't like lezdom!
Never said I didn't, [I always said I mentally replace the sex of the subs] of course not on the level of her alleged deeds. She also tortured male servants as well, allegedly.
me:
"I don't enjoy it when I see women hurt, so if the sub female doesn't have an over-bearing focus on, then I can replace her artificially in my mind with myself, and can enjoy it."
That she was involved in several sadistic murders is close to a historical fast, though how many victims there were is uncertain. The people who seriously propagate different readings are so strongly biased that they are not worth anyone's time.
It seems close but then, not really, it just has taken on a pop meme life of its own and now it refuses to be challenged. But in reality several respected historical authorities have begun to doubt the story. I also read some, and even transcripts from her trials, there is way more to the story than it was assumed. I think, treating a shady historically unchallenged narrative with many grey areas as settled, is a disservice to finding out the actual facts of the matter.
Just 1 example of the growing many:
"In a 2018 article for Przegląd Nauk Historycznych (Historical Science Review) Aleksandra Bartosiewicz stated that Báthory was persecuted, the accusations a spectacle to destroy her family’s influence in the region which was considered a threat to the political interests of her neighbors, including the
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empire.
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False! I don't remember right now the exact work I saw it in, but there were definitely depictions of females whipping males. It was definitely an example from a medieval grimoire.
You are probably thinking about the flagellant movement, I am not. Its easy to confuse what I was referencing with that one.
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"The tale of
Phyllis and Aristotle is a medieval
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about the triumph of a seductive woman, Phyllis, over the greatest male intellect, the ancient Greek philosopher
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It is one of several
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stories from that time. Among early versions is the French Lai d'Aristote from 1220."
....the only purpose of these activities were religious, reading femdom into it is secondary.
Whether its reading femdom into it, or reinterpreting it correctly as the actual motive is
I was being quite tongue in cheek with this one, obviously not enough, but my joke I think has more actual merit than you give it credit.
Since religion is bullshit, every religious "reason" if analysed a bit deeper reveals that the true motivations are way outside anything "divine", the pure fact of us living in a godless universe is a strong clue, but actually analyzing them always yields far more parsimoniously psychological, social and personal reasons, closely fitting a godless reality. Even subjectively sincere religiosity is a transcription of the fear of death, given the object of worship does not exist and for other pertinent reasons I will not go into the details of. So, me thinking religion was used as a pretext for quite a number of "perversions" is not far fetched at all.
Eh, no. It is just the usual tendency of folk religion to create embroideries on more approachable figures and ignoring distant characters. No goddess worship there.
Here you simply ignore, that Christianity defeated a number of pagan deities, especially female pagan deities by transforming/demoting them into saints and semi-deities under the christian doctrine [or preferably demons when they could]. Especially for simple folk, they often saw the representations of Mary and different saints as continuations of their own beliefs in similar characters. This appropriation tactic is widely documented. Even major events/traditions such as christmas [yule] and easter [pagan spring festivities] have overwhelming pagan themes.
I appreciate you correcting me, and I expressed it several times, but I think here you came off too sure of yourself, and I can easily challenge all of them.
I provided direct evidence for almost all my counter-claims. I can offer more if need arises. Let's hope it does not.