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I was teasing you there.
Actual facts of the matter are that the prime movers behind the investigation were Lutherans and Bathory was Reformed. It was not in their interest to uncritically pursue a Counterreformation agenda. The investigator was also a relative and an associate of Bathory. That alone makes it implausible that the accusations were entirely baseless. Then there is the mention of dozens of bodies that were discovered, although all we have now are mentions, not physical evidence.
Unfortunately, historical authorities are more than capable to produce bullshit themselves. I see the results of that almost on a daily basis, but I must say this entire subject is quite removed from my specialism. It is why one always has to treat outlier opinions with a dose of suspicion.
My attitude to any academic field is stick to the consensus view. For a non-expert, it is better to stay with the pack and be 'right' in an uninteresting way than to be wrong in an interesting way, because specialists are the ones who really know what the interesting ways are.
That the prosecution was a spectacle and was used as a political tool is a fact, but that does not mean that there were no murders. The quote does unambiguously not state that the prosecution was baseless according to Aleksandra Bartosiewicz , just that it was politicised.
I knew of that motif, but that is totally not a "sacred penance". I did think along the lines of flagellants, because that is the closest fit of what you described. I agree Phyllis and Aristotle is something different, but it does not really fit the description. I'm not a psychic after all.
I don't dispute that such illustrations may exist, but I stand by my statement if they are actual depictions of a mediaeval religious penance. Illuminations from that period were typically made by monks, so the underlying attitude was patriarchal and officially hostile to sexuality. That is not the place where you would expect erotic femdom drawings to originate. Something like a femdom sexuality probably always existed, but femdom as anything like the modern theme or genre is a serious anachronism.
That Wikipedia article is seriously slanted however, what's with uncritically describing Phyllis as a "dominatrix". That is not an objective description, it is an anachronistic act of reading what one wants to see into the drawings.
That is a non sequitur though. Whether religion is bullshit or not has no bearing on what the true motivations of a religious reason is. I think conservatism and socialism are bullshit, but it is pointless for me to posit what the 'true motivations' behind them are. The position that religion always stands in for something else is straight from the nineteenth century and the problem is that everyone claimed it stands for something that contradicts someone else. That is kind of like how all religions contradict each other.
It is also a dangerously unempirical approach, although that is in keeping with the nineteenth century.It is true that quite a few saints are entirely fictional - in that they never existed whereas I guess saints are supposed to be historical human beings, I'm not personally familiar with worship of saints by the way - and that some derive from pagan deities, but that was not the claim I contested. I contested that prioritising Mary was "some dim form of Goddess worship clad in Christian garbs". Maybe in some places a saint cult around Mary did incorporate traditions about pagan goddesses, but overall this happened to lesser known saints in 'frontier' areas. Besides placing an image from a new religion on an older religious site does not mean the new tradition is infused with goddess worship. In practice, the likely outcome is that only outward traditions remain while the religious beliefs and practices are converted to the new religion over the next generations. I'd say the mainstream views about Mary were shielded from such influences. However, folk religion does seem to prefer male-female pairings and that may be the mechanism behind the increasingly bigger role of Mary. But in that case the main driver would be heteronormativity, something that was present in all societies in ancient Europe.
Also, "Goddess worship" is a loaded term in history, it is often used for radical feminist speculations about a coherent tradition based around a matriarchal mother goddess. I have a healthy dose of respect for Gimbutas, but her views are on totally shaky grounds there. We just know very little about pre-Indo-European beliefs.
Whether Christmas originated from a Roman pagan holiday or not still seems to be hotly debated. Some elements are certainly or likely pagan, the word "yule" is a good example of something certain. For Easter, which is a lot older, the evidence does not really point in that direction. The supposedly 'pagan' spring elements can be explained far more parsimoniously by that holiday falling in spring. Anyway, there is a lot of bullshit out there on this topic, because folkloristics doesn't really have a critical method and prefers idle speculation. But I do agree with them that the main places where you would expect surviving traces from pagan traditions are in folk religion.
Can't fault me for being dommy in a femdom thread.
But while you made good points, I frankly do not think my points have collapsed and while I will happily admit to being a bratty bitch, I don't think I was too sure of myself here. The historical consensus view still seems to be that Bathory murdered dozens of young women. That you meant Aristotle and Phyllis was not something that could possibly be read from your description. Your original point about Mary representing a "dim form of Goddess worship" has shifted to a defence of pagan influence on later Christian traditions, plenty of which is debatable but which I would never dispute in its entirety.
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Even more simple... i would add a column after "observation", that would be called something like "last new version uploaded here", and the content would be the date in which the game was actually last updated.
Btw, i didn't thank you for mantaining this thread and it was rude, as you're quite the hero for me
Thank you
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By the way, I didn't know you were both from countries where religiously motivated illiberal demagoguery reigns supreme. My sympathies.
My sympathies.
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My understanding was always that - in general - when catholicism took anything from other religions, women included, it modified them to fit into catholic narration. So if there is some goddess repurposed as a catholic saint she will be (almost always or always) rewritten as a woman agreeing and supporting catholic doctrine and therefore patriarchy. Of course we may discuss about finer points of belief in mother of Christ and female saints, but - and I base this on my yrs of work within catholic church - people/believers see them as a women giving example how to serve the only, true (male) god. We are not praying to Mary in order to find salvation in her, but for her to help us find salvation in Christ/god, whom she serves (and she serves as a role model of self-sacrificing, undoubting in the words of god/church woman). In this context I see no goddess worship in catholicism, just a rewrite/attribution of some older beliefs/customs/characters to fit into new narrative and to suppress older/other beliefs. Someone said that "in order to get rid of an undesirable object, it is better to counterfeit it rather than simply to suppress it. For the copy destroys the real object more surely than physical demolition could".
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Yes, I am certainly from a country which is taken over by a right-wing idiocy as of late, [it was not always like this, but the "Orbanites" do everything to hijack the process of their inevitable demise] but it will pass, it always does. The younger generations are already mobilizing in all sorts of ways. The current regime its quite embarrassing.By the way, I didn't know you were both from countries where religiously motivated illiberal demagoguery reigns supreme.
All neighboring countries had this phase btw. Its our turn now, I guess.
Ps: I am originally born and raised in Transylvania, I intend to return there soon.
I was not ready for thatI was teasing you there.
I believe she was a sadist, and had the power to act on it without restriction, but based on my readings directly in Hungarian by experts in the field, I am not so sure about the integrity of the whole story. I quoted a non-Hungarian specifically to avoid being accused of "home-grown" bias. Whatever it may be the case, her character fascinates me.
Yeah, but as I said, I was not entirely serious to begin with. I referred to the medieval literary trope of women-power as a substitute example for medieval presentation of what can be called "femdom-like". As you said femdom was surely around for as long as humanity, so its not anachronistic at all to expect it showing up in medieval depictions, despite obviously the patriarchal milleu. In fact, my speculation that religion was used as cover for various frowned upon sexual practices, is partly due to patriarchy, because in an era in which admitting openly to certain practices would have been social [and literal] suicide [sadly even today in many cases], thus hiding it behind something seemingly innocuous such as a religious practice, makes eminent sense to me.I knew of that motif, but that is totally not a "sacred penance". I did think along the lines of flagellants, because that is the closest fit of what you described. I agree Phyllis and Aristotle is something different, but it does not really fit the description. I'm not a psychic after all.
Modern cults are often about sex, just look at the likes of Ordo Templi Orientis, the Wiccans and various "secret" orders.
Nobody suggested that they had a modern understanding of the practice, or that it should be taken as "porn", but the sensual-libidinal motivation of creating such art must in some cases denote the same sexual predilection we nowadays would call femdom.
Sometimes things done in the past are quite close in their core meaning to the modern ones, not every modern interpretation is automatically foreign from ones in the past, some interpretations are in a sensible continuum with a modern equivalent at least. So, I would be careful with assuming anachronism just because there is a distance of time separating two interpretations. If there is indeed an anachronistic projection present, then it is not enough to just declare it so, it should be demonstrated that it is present in that particular case, and not simply taken as a default critique.
If there are no gods and no supernatural realms and powers, then the real source of motivations, the real engines behind actions, despite those entities invoked as justification, must necessarily be something mundane. This statement does not even require the preface of "religion is bullshit" [which it definitely is], so its not a non-sequitur, but the form of the phrasing sounded as if it was an unjustified conditional. Its not.
I think socialism is awesome and not bullshit at all. I am in fact a left-libertarian, which is essentially a non-authoritarian form of socialism. I would not wish to go into politics on this thread tho.
Its straight from contemporary naturalistic philosophy. Granted in proud and well deserved continuity with the also quite awesome 19th century materialism. There are no gods, therefore the existence of religion must be due to some other things such as the cognitive dissonance between our observed and experienced finitude, contingency and insignificance and our survival instinct's push to the contrary. Religion is a perfect tool to ease this dissonance with a fake, consoling ontology, helping the creature with an overgrown awareness finding itself in a meaningless, unplanned and uncommunicative, non-caring universe to have a more palatable, psychologically comforting outlook. From a non-religious, naturalistic pov, a psychological explanation is incomparably more parsimonious in the original Occam's Razor's sense of not multiplying entities unnecessarily to explain something. Naturalism is anything but unempirical, its as empirical as a philosophical perspective can get. If you go any more empirical, then you transitioned into some kind of science.The position that religion always stands in for something else is straight from the nineteenth century and the problem is that everyone claimed it stands for something that contradicts someone else. That is kind of like how all religions contradict each other.
Definitively.
Loaded or not I like it. While as a male I can't say I'm a radical feminist, I am 100% agreeing with most Marxist and gender critical radical feminists.
Yeah, its not hard to guess on which side of this debate I am on.
That is a privilege reserved for [biological] females, if you are one, feel free being dommy.Can't fault me for being dommy in a femdom thread.
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What work did you do for them?
Gosh, the longer we speak, the more intense it gets lol I would like to draw your attention to Kinky Fight Club https://f95zone.to/threads/kinky-fight-club-v1-1d-mrzgames.29905/
I'm too lazy and rusty to do a full analysis/characterization but it's basically a battle fuck game where whoever cum first loses. Only in this one domination is a central mechanic: if you dominate your opponent you will make them cum sooner (there's an option to reverse this though for those who want to play as a submissive and still win). The selling point for me is definitely the many animated sexual positions available. Most positions have 5 stages/variations (some only 3) depending on the domination gauge between you and your opponent. A cowgirl can look very different depending on who's dominating between the male or female. You can choose between the pre-build characters or make your own custom either male or female. I think it's mostly hetero but females can wear strap-on so female vs female is possible not sure about male vs male though (never bothered to find out since it's the least interesting combo for me).
Anyway give it a try if you haven't. It's been while since I played it so maybe things have changed.
I'm too lazy and rusty to do a full analysis/characterization but it's basically a battle fuck game where whoever cum first loses. Only in this one domination is a central mechanic: if you dominate your opponent you will make them cum sooner (there's an option to reverse this though for those who want to play as a submissive and still win). The selling point for me is definitely the many animated sexual positions available. Most positions have 5 stages/variations (some only 3) depending on the domination gauge between you and your opponent. A cowgirl can look very different depending on who's dominating between the male or female. You can choose between the pre-build characters or make your own custom either male or female. I think it's mostly hetero but females can wear strap-on so female vs female is possible not sure about male vs male though (never bothered to find out since it's the least interesting combo for me).
Anyway give it a try if you haven't. It's been while since I played it so maybe things have changed.
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But as a consequence of the battle mechanics relying on a winning-losing duality, how much maledom are we expected to face? How does the game fare if we are looking at femdom alone? Can you advance in the game without winning fights [assuming that only losing triggers femdom], btw from what perspective is it: a female dominant or a male sub?...Too many questions, I guess I'll have to play it to find out.
Forgot to mention that it's a Fighting game like Street Fighter and such so it's mostly only battle/arcade. Although, I think they added a Story mode a while back. But anyway it's pretty much up to you whether you want to play as a female or male, dominant or sub. If the game is too difficult, you can always make a custom character and then with a simple text edit make it so the character has maximum stats. This is what I have done btw lol.
There is also a gallery mode if you just want to see all the sex positions available. You have to unlock it using in-game currencies but you can just use saveedit online to cheat.
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There's an old 16th century parish that I worked for. I was a tourist guide for them (cathedral church, crypts, museum of sacral art, old bell tower, old mansion of pronotiary apostles).What work did you do for them?
BTW another sig from Nothing is Forever:
Hmm, if you only play female vs female then technically yes you can avoid maledom totally because there's no male involved lol. But more seriously, if you want to play female vs male and totally avoid maledom then you either just make a super powerful female by cheating if you want to play from the female perspective or just purposefully lose as the male if you want to play from the male sub perspective. Keep in mind that even when playing a super powerful female the male sub will still make effort to dominate you. I'm not sure if that actually counts as maledom since the female has maxed stats he has no chance of succeeding. This is probably still a convoluted way of explaining but this game is not like most games here where you have a predefined roles of who's dominant and who's sub. It's all determined during the battle itself but I feel you can push it into certain outcomes using cheats and setting the difficulty to the lowest level for good measure. You can also simply use the gallery mode to basically control who's dominant and who's sub in which sex positions. But yeah it's probably better to play it for yourself to understand what I'm talking about since it's very different from most games in this thread's list. The focus is on sex battles not stories for starters.
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Thanks for the explanation. I'm personally a bit unsure whether this game is for me, but it may be list material, I will have to check it out at one point, thanks.
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Aseratrix, Mister_M, and Jaike - as a secular liberal in post-Netanyahu Israel, your historical and religious discussion is facinating, and as far as politics go, if the US managed to remove the orange menace, and we managed to uproot the purple monster, don't give up hope, and just remember: this is not normal. <3
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It seems its tough being any sort of liberal in each our countries...but we'll tough it out.
Ps: my native place is Transylvania, its where I was born and raised. So current Hungary is not technically my country.
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Regarding the Queen's name in chess you are incorrect about including Romania in the hetman list. How do I know? Well, I am Hungarian, but I was born and raised in Transylvania [right now I work in Hungary but will return home], there is a large minority of us living there since 900 AD. Nevertheless, Romanians call the Queen "Regină" which is Queen in Romanian.
I speak fluent Romanian too additionally to my mother tongue and English. I'm working on my Finnish.
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Maybe. According to wikipedia: "Throughout much of the history of
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Maybe it was used in other contexts, especially in Moldavia I guess, but I swear in chess they call it Regină.
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I didn't mean in chess. I wrote earlier that hetman in chess is only used afaik in Polish and that the name comes from the military rank of hetman, which was used in Poland, Ukraine and so on.