VN Ren'Py Fighting for Love [v0.2] [Serpentbreath3D]

[Before I Forget]

Oh H-Game Devs...

Spoiler: When will you learn to not let us name certain things?

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Wonder how she passes the health inspection. Don't answer that.

 

[Dark Silence]

but I would think even a cheap used GT 730 would be enough for AVN reading).

Depends on the AVN. CoBD and several others might be a problem.

 

[donandonan]

i have not play game, but the art of the game looks amazing.

 

[Skylaroo]

Just played this for the first time and I have to say that it's pretty good. I do enjoy having family members that are sweet to each other rather than the stereotypical "bitchy big sister and saint-like little sister". Wishing the dev all the very best.

 

[Simpgor]

Time to replace the 20yo potato if it can't even render prerendered AVNs. My old PC has a 3070 and does fine, but I would think even a cheap used GT 730 would be enough for AVN reading).

the fact that this game pushes anybodies higher while sitting on a static image than most games do while animations are playing means something is "up" (poorly optimized?) in fact none of the games in the signature above me push as hard

 

[Harem4life]

Time to replace the 20yo potato if it can't even render prerendered AVNs. My old PC has a 3070 and does fine, but I would think even a cheap used GT 730 would be enough for AVN reading).

There's no problem with my 'potato' since it handles many AAA games with ease. This game is poorly coded I guess.

 

[hrm]

There's no problem with my 'potato' since it handles many AAA games with ease. This game is poorly coded I guess.

It's generally the CPU that's the issue in RenPy games. RenPy can display images with "show" or "scene". Scene clears everything and then displays the new image. Show displays the image but never actually gets rid of it unless it you also do a "hide" (or a later usage of "scene" clears everything). So if a dev forgets the "hide"s, all the images just end up getting layered on top of each other.

The usual culprit is videos that are called with "show". RenPy isn't all that great at video playback in the first place, and has quite high CPU usage when doing so. So call videos with "show" and forget to "hide" them, and now you've got 2+ videos playing at once. I used to have an i5 4690k and a single video would push it to 60%; a second would push it to 95% and things would get laggy; and a third would max it out and make the game pretty much unplayable.

And looking through the code, that's what seems to be the case here. Animations are usually cleared with a "hide", but not every time. And those "a couple hours/minutes later" screens? Videos, for some reason. And they never get hidden except by the occasional usage of "scene".

 

[Harem4life]

It's generally the CPU that's the issue in RenPy games. RenPy can display images with "show" or "scene". Scene clears everything and then displays the new image. Show displays the image but never actually gets rid of it unless it you also do a "hide" (or a later usage of "scene" clears everything). So if a dev forgets the "hide"s, all the images just end up getting layered on top of each other.

The usual culprit is videos that are called with "show". RenPy isn't all that great at video playback in the first place, and has quite high CPU usage when doing so. So call videos with "show" and forget to "hide" them, and now you've got 2+ videos playing at once. I used to have an i5 4690k and a single video would push it to 60%; a second would push it to 95% and things would get laggy; and a third would max it out and make the game pretty much unplayable.

And looking through the code, that's what seems to be the case here. Animations are usually cleared with a "hide", but not every time. And those "a couple hours/minutes later" screens? Videos, for some reason. And they never get hidden except by the occasional usage of "scene".

I checked my task manager and my GPU memory was 95% used so It was taking a toll on my GPU.

I haven't seen the code yet but your reason seems right since there are times when game would suddenly start working flawlessly and again starts taking too much GPU memory after some time.

 

[Serpentbreath3D]

It's generally the CPU that's the issue in RenPy games. RenPy can display images with "show" or "scene". Scene clears everything and then displays the new image. Show displays the image but never actually gets rid of it unless it you also do a "hide" (or a later usage of "scene" clears everything). So if a dev forgets the "hide"s, all the images just end up getting layered on top of each other.

The usual culprit is videos that are called with "show". RenPy isn't all that great at video playback in the first place, and has quite high CPU usage when doing so. So call videos with "show" and forget to "hide" them, and now you've got 2+ videos playing at once. I used to have an i5 4690k and a single video would push it to 60%; a second would push it to 95% and things would get laggy; and a third would max it out and make the game pretty much unplayable.

And looking through the code, that's what seems to be the case here. Animations are usually cleared with a "hide", but not every time. And those "a couple hours/minutes later" screens? Videos, for some reason. And they never get hidden except by the occasional usage of "scene".

I didn’t think about hiding the video files. I was used to only having to use scene once in a while to clear images, so I carried that same practice over to videos without thinking twice. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I’ll make sure to fix it and update the new links on here soon.

 

[Harem4life]

I didn’t think about hiding the video files. I was used to only having to use scene once in a while to clear images, so I carried that same practice over to videos without thinking twice. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I’ll make sure to fix it and update the new links on here soon.

Why not just use 'scene' instead of 'show'? What does 'show' does which scene can't do?

The only use of show I can think of is when you have to use multiple images at the same time to overlap them.

 

[Serpentbreath3D]

Why not just use 'scene' instead of 'show'? What does 'show' does which scene can't do?

The only use of show I can think of is when you have to use multiple images at the same time to overlap them.

I’m not sure. I think there was some sort of reason why I used show more often. Something I must’ve came across when doing my first research. But I’ve long forgotten by now. So I’ll look back into it, and see if using scene to display each image has any negative impact over using show. Otherwise I might make those changes as well, or at least do it that way moving forward.

 

[hrm]

I checked my task manager and my GPU memory was 95% used so It was taking a toll on my GPU.

I haven't seen the code yet but your reason seems right since there are times when game would suddenly start working flawlessly and again starts taking too much GPU memory after some time.

Huh, I guess I never noticed, but the GPU is getting hit pretty hard as well. Seems to be only when the still images are getting stacked pretty high (as opposed to the CPU getting hit during videos).

SerpentBreath3D as an example, I have an RX 6600 and noticed that GPU utilization got up to 74% by the end of 04_home_sweet_home.rpy. Then there's a "jump first_dinner" which has a "scene black" and it drops back down to 4%.

 

[Serpentbreath3D]

Huh, I guess I never noticed, but the GPU is getting hit pretty hard as well. Seems to be only when the still images are getting stacked pretty high (as opposed to the CPU getting hit during videos).

SerpentBreath3D as an example, I have an RX 6600 and noticed that GPU utilization got up to 74% by the end of 04_home_sweet_home.rpy. Then there's a "jump first_dinner" which has a "scene black" and it drops back down to 4%.

Interesting, thanks for bringing that up. I’ll look at getting both the videos and image stack-ups optimized as soon as I get back to work. Just enjoying the last the few days of post release break, before getting back into the swing of things starting Monday.

 

[Mookys]

Any other tags for the game? Or is it just voyeurism?

 

[MrDL]

Haven't played it but is the MC that Little Mac looking motherfucker?

 

[Cr8tive M3dia]

I’m not sure. I think there was some sort of reason why I used show more often. Something I must’ve came across when doing my first research. But I’ve long forgotten by now. So I’ll look back into it, and see if using scene to display each image has any negative impact over using show. Otherwise I might make those changes as well, or at least do it that way moving forward.

Show will display the image / animation on top of the previous "scene" that was displayed.. essentially adding layers and layers. Once you do a show for an image/animation you then need to hide it before doing another one, otherwise this will cause issues for people, or when you display other "shows" people may see the previous one still loaded up. Best thing to do is always use scene... unless you are wanting to add something on top of a scene... for example a phone... for this you would use "show" as it would be added on top of the current "scene" being displayed.

 

[Takkertje]

Just fighting?
No fucking?
del.

 

[jetama]

Is this scene in the game? It's one of the preview pics... Not sure if I missed it?

 

[Serpentbreath3D]

Is this scene in the game? It's one of the preview pics... Not sure if I missed it?

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No, this was just a one-off render I made to be used promotionally for my Itch and Patreon. It features a character I plan to include in the future of Fighting for Love (may look similar to Emma from this angle and lighting, but it’s not). It wasn’t really meant to be used as a preview image, but instead was just grabbed from my itch and put here when this thread was created. I kind of just left it, but I’ll get around to updating the preview images, especially with all the new renders now in v0.2.

 

[Serpentbreath3D]

Show will display the image / animation on top of the previous "scene" that was displayed.. essentially adding layers and layers. Once you do a show for an image/animation you then need to hide it before doing another one, otherwise this will cause issues for people, or when you display other "shows" people may see the previous one still loaded up. Best thing to do is always use scene... unless you are wanting to add something on top of a scene... for example a phone... for this you would use "show" as it would be added on top of the current "scene" being displayed.

I understand the distinctions. I used "show" because, if I recall correctly, "scene" cleared the textbox every time, which felt a bit jarring. I might be remembering it differently, but thanks for your input. Of course I have removed the textbox since then, but I guess the habit of using show stuck around.