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Well the cloning is interesting, just think if u can bang all ur dream super model or star movie ecc but in their 20's, and u have the money to makes it come true u will not get a chance?
I am only asking for that sweet incest route. It fits to story. He doesn't even remember her face. I mean it could happen and we wouldn't even know she was his mother. She can't recognize him either.
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Incest doesn't fit with the vision I have for this story going forward, sorry. But you can play my other games that have plenty of incest.
Secret Summer, Picture Perfect, Sun Breed
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I thought the story of this game would be the mc pretending to be Spartacus (hence the name of the game) and going from Baron to Baron from place to place releasing slaves for his Har...I mean, to fight for a better world.
But after this update it looks like he's smart and just want to run away.
But after this update it looks like he's smart and just want to run away.
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Hi i have this error, how can I continue the game?
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "game/U4.rpy", line 1753, in script
jump U4scan
ScriptError: could not find label 'U4scan'.
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "game/U4.rpy", line 1753, in script
jump U4scan
File "C:\Users\n\Downloads\Follow the Leader [v0.4]\rpdl.net-FollowTheLeader-0.4\renpy\ast.py", line 1697, in execute
rv = renpy.game.script.lookup(target)
File "C:\Users\n\Downloads\Follow the Leader [v0.4]\rpdl.net-FollowTheLeader-0.4\renpy\script.py", line 898, in lookup
raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label 'U4scan'.
Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
v0.4 0.4
Sat Jan 15 04:37:05 2022- May 4, 2020
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Hey guys. The bug has been fixed. Please redownload the game because a new version has been uploaded!
Thank you for pointing out this bug
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Okay, fair enough. Mea culpa.
Let me try again, with far less snark.
I wasn't enjoying the game, because I kept being frequently taken out of the experience by a number of things; mostly centering around the premise of the world itself, the actions of the Baron, the personality of Eight, and how they all don't mesh well together.
So first off, the world. It is one in which slavery is legal, and both human cloning and age acceleration exist but is illegal. But, we got slaves using mops to clean the floors. So either nobody invented the Roomba in this future, or it's another idiosyncrasy of the Baron. I get having slaves to do manual labor, but this choice just seems really anachronistic given the silver space onsies and the rest of the décor. There are plenty of other things the MC could be toiling away at other than something that my own middle class parents have been automating themselves since 2019 (and the Roomba itself dates back to 2002). Not that you can't have a future where the MC slaves away moping the floor, but you need the right setting for it to make sense rather than being anachronistic. It doesn't look like you opted for a grungy, lived-in, future setting a la dieselpunk, cyberpunk, or something along those lines.
Next up, the Baron. He is powerful and wealthy enough to have a personal harem of illegal vat-grown women that he rotates new stock in and out of on a semi-regular basis, his own security forces, in addition to owning slaves to do manual labor (again, in place of Roombas). We learn that the Baron has had prior vat-grown harem girls before the current batch, which is why they're numbered Eight through Ten, because apparently he has had so many of them he got tired of naming them and just went with numbers. So, he's evidently done this quite frequently before.
But what really puts a spotlight on most of the idiosyncrasies that keep breaking my immersion, is Eight and her personality and actions.
As a group, Eight, Nine, and Ten are vat-grown human clones. They had an accelerated growth program, in that they emerged mature rather than being born and raised on a normal human timescale. They also were subject to some sort of knowledge implant procedure that imparted them with the ability to communicate and interact with the world, but not any real experience living in it. This allows the entire harem to partake in the 'Really Was Born Yesterday' trope. This can be a fun and endearing trope, but can also turn problematic (when it turns into 'Born Sexy Yesterday' like Leeloo in The Fifth Element). From what I saw, it seems a pretty generic version of the former. The problem comes with how Eight approaches sex and sexuality.
At face, Eight reads like the worst kind of man-hating, third-wave feminist caricature. Okay, so why is she so much different than her equally vat-grown and information-implanted sisters? How and why do any of them know that they are an illicit commodity? If they can be implanted with knowledge of language and communication, why not also an acceptance of their role? It just seems like 'we have the tech to clone, grow, age, and implant-knowledge - but suggestion, coercion, or brainwashing is all just a bridge too far' seems really silly. Eight's personality and actions raise all kinds of red flags that cause me to question the underlying premise of the setting itself.
Now, when Eight and the Baron collide, things get even worse. After apparently putting up with her being standoffish for quite some time, the Baron decides to lay down his ultimatum; put out or else. Eight counters with threatening to expose his illegal cloning activity. This right here, this was that moment that cause the entire game to come to a screeching halt. This interaction is what highlighted everything else that had been bothering me a bit already, and shone it in stark relief.
For starters, again, why is she acting like this? It would seem like 'unwilling to have sex' would be a huge design flaw for a purposely vat-grown human clone destined for life in a harem. So, can they not control ther knowledge implant process enough to weed out such tendencies? If they can't, then why don't they have a Q&A system in place to weed out uncompliant clones if they're unable to simply prevent them from happening? Seems like the Baron should demand a refund for a purpose built sex slave that won't put out; that's a clearly faulty product.
If your Bugatti is having engine problems and isn't performing as advertised, you take it back to the dealership; you don't blow it up with a rocket launcher because you can.
Even assuming that they can't prevent uncooperative clones from happening and becoming the final end product, how do they come to learn of their predicament? How did they come to learn that they are clones, and illicit ones at that? I can perhaps buy not being able to completely indoctrinate al living human, but you can at least not give them access to the internet. They are cloned harem girls, purpose built for fulfilling the Baron's sexual pleasure. If they're capable of independent thought, giving them unfettered access to the internet seems like a really stupid idea. They don't need access to that level of information to make them better sex slaves. Smart people, aware of the limitations of the vat-grown indoctrination process, would exercise strict information control; especially if you want to maintain power and control over people whose very existence is highly illegal. You don't need science fiction mumbo-jumbo to figure this out, plantation slave owners in the antebellum south recognized that education was one of the single greatest threats to maintaining the status quo.
Even assuming all that; that Eight made it through illegal clone Q&A, that the Baron put up with her instead of immediately returning her to sender, that he gave them unfettered access to information that would empower them. He has now confronted her, and she makes her threat. Why does he react like it has any teeth? She's not a free citizen, she an illicit slave. He should control every aspect of their lives. Even if he was stupid enough to allow them access to such information before, he can simply strip that privilege away and lock her up in a room and be done with her. Her threat has no merit, because she hasn't been shown to have any ability to act upon it. How exactly is she going to contact the outside world? Especially when seconds later, we're introduced to the speed and ferocity of the Baron's personal Goon Squad.
She could do nothing, the Baron had all the power here. He could isolate her. He could have raped her. He could have gotten his Goon Squad to help rape her. He could have pulled the gun and raped her under threat of force. Did the Baron do anything of these things? No. He just went straight to the dumbest, most egomaniacal option; kill all of them (with a super anachronistic 1911 style pistol). Not even 'let the guards take her away, have some fun, then kill her'. Nope. Just kill her yourself on a whim. So the Baron took her threats seriously enough (again, when she has zero power to act on them) that he feels so threatened by the potential consequences of his illicit cloning being discovered, that he opts instead to commit a triple homicide.
I'm sorry, but there is no kind way to put this; that's dumb as hell.
It would be one thing if this was the culmination of a history of stupid mistakes made in the heat of the moment. But it isn't. You can say that this is a power trip, and maybe it is, but you haven't put the work into developing the character of the Baron enough to actually cash that particular check. So this doesn't come off as a tragic character flaw, but rather as the Baron make every dumb decision that is required to move plot along. The Baron isn't a character, because his constant stupidity is a necessary plot device.
Again, I'm sorry, but that really takes me out of the experience. I also don't know how to fix that without serious re-writing that would require either a redo for the entire premise and the world building, or a whole lot more time building up the characters and the world so that they do make sense. Because as of right now, they very much do not. They don't read as the actions taken by well motivated characters trying to obtain their desires, but rather as going through the motion required to move the plot along.
To use an analogy, you're on par with the final season of Game of Thrones, where the entire cast made bad decisions and acted against character (to be fair, that's not a problem when you've yet to really establish your characters) explicitly to move the plot along and wrap things up. It didn't come across as organic, but rather as cynical and contrived; because at the end of the day it was, as the show runners had grown tired with the series and just wanted out. So they contrived a plot to get from point A to Z as fast as possible, and then had their cast do all the stupid stuff required to get there (dragon lady turning genocidal, John Snow killing her, etc.). So I can't say for sure that's what happened here, but it feels like it. It reads like characters acting stupid just for the sake of plot contrivance.
After all that, I got to the part where the harem is helping to break the MC out of prison (again, a prison the Baron didn't use on Eight) with a butter knife, before I just couldn't take any more. I had to stop.
I get that you have Patreon supporters and a development schedule to keep, and even if you agreed 100% with that I wrote here, it almost certainly isn't feasible to put in the work to actually fix this. Maybe I'm the only one bothered by all this contrivance, but I still felt I had to say my piece, and I hope this time I did so with enough grace and respectfulness.
Now wait for all the butt-hurt fans to just scroll to the bottom and react with the facepalm emoji, because someone deigned to not like something that they really like, and further reinforce why putting this much effort into a thorough critique is usually a wasted effort here...
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I dont mind I like it too. I'm just saying that all your games have almost the same plot (- You are the keeper of a three young girls. Guess What? You gonna follow the easy to guess dialog choices to have sex with all of them).
What I'm trying to say is that I like to fight for a reward. Man are conquerors.
Your game are good. And you are a talented person. But it's like playing next chapter Assassin's Creed games. Cool but almost the same as previous one.
SuperWriter Thx for yor fast fix, But...
I notice in the fixed version now, Nine and Ten dosent have there talk after scaning at all. So there is no option that you can chose Ten to like you or not. Does it mean Ten like MC automaticliy or is there now a missing flag?
I am asking, because i like Ten, but not Nine. So i refused her erliear, but now it seams i blocked both.
(Hmm, Maybe, istead Nine, Ten comes to the sofa and they kissing and then "the Talk" goes the other way around.)
I notice in the fixed version now, Nine and Ten dosent have there talk after scaning at all. So there is no option that you can chose Ten to like you or not. Does it mean Ten like MC automaticliy or is there now a missing flag?
I am asking, because i like Ten, but not Nine. So i refused her erliear, but now it seams i blocked both.
(Hmm, Maybe, istead Nine, Ten comes to the sofa and they kissing and then "the Talk" goes the other way around.)
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- Sep 3, 2020
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nope never going to get tired of it
and I love that SuperWriter doesn't full the game whit too many girls so you don't have to wait for 100 updates
just to be with that one girl you like
but for me, I don't really play these games just to fuck a lot of girls
don't get me wrong but I'm more of a story kind of. guy
I know I know it's stupid but I'm more interested in why people are having sex
done the actual sex itself
you could put 100 sex scenes in a game
but if the story's no good
done. the Game is completely worthless to me
like for example I hate characters dat just have sex for the sake of having sex
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Thanks for being constructive in criticism.
I will do my best to answer, but there's a lot you wrote, so I have to keep going back and reread it, and it's easy to get lost in all of the text.
Why is Eight acting like such a bitch? You are told the only reason you are alive is to have sex with a gross and sweaty man, and that's all you're worth, so you might be a little bitchy lol. Why do you tell her she is a clone, etc? Doctor Fisher, the one in the latest update is the one who has been trying to give the girls Independence and now is the one helping them escape, etc.
She is the reason they are able to think for themselves. And of course you learn her motivations of why she is helping them so much if you play the latest update
If you have not played the latest update, definitely do that because it sheds a lot of light on what's going on. Also, there is more reason to Eight's actions then what I just posted and you have to keep playing to find out what is going on.
You guys have not learned everything about the girls and there is a lot more to learn.
The baron gets pissed at Eight because she has the audacity to threaten him, not because he actually feels threatened. He is a man that has a God complex and expects his people that he literally gave life to obey him. And they should be kissing his feet.
As for the technology, we can compared to the reality we have right now in our real lives.
We have CLONING, of course animals and food, etc, but it's still there. We have AUTO-DRIVING in cars. We have ROOMBAS, but we still have plenty of manual labor.
So this universe is just a step up from our real lives and there is certainly no brainwashing that can easily be done. So in this universe there is simply no easy brainwashing and I don't think that's unrealistic.
I get that you probably have your preferences, and don't agree with a lot of things that break immersion for you, but I really do feel like the story is on a good track and there is some good world building there. And this game just doesn't click with you for whatever reason, which is okay, but I have been getting a lot of good feedback, so I feel like I'm on the right track.
And I hope I was able to answer your questions, but of course feel free to follow up.
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They are tied in that scene. That's the harem option building. You are already on Ten's route if you agreed to make the game with her so you will see that in the future updates. Don't worry
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okay promise not to laugh but I just realized the game
has a new update out
I'm downloading it right now
not one-word
SuperWriterI can sense that you are about to make a joke right now
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Fair. Very fair.
Okay, fair enough. I still think that there is a disconnect here. If the Baron has done this so much before, and if this tampering is something new, then Eight's actions must really make her stand out from her predecessors; in such a way that should very obviously be raising alarms and red flags. If this doctor is is trying to be subtle with her subterfuge, it appears she is failing quite dramatically. One hopes that she's doing so to rebel as a means of redemption or something, and that her prior work for the Baron has somehow been coerced; giving her a solid motivation to make stupid mistakes in pursuit of idealism.
Okay, I get that, but I think it is a distinction without a difference. I didn't get that impression of the Baron from what I saw leading up to that. He seemed vanilla, run-of-the-mill, out of touch, rich entitled asshole; not a megalomaniacal god-king with a napoleon complex. Xerxes he is not. So I think you still run afoul of my prior criticism, in that you hadn't done enough to establish the character of the Baron. In your head, he has an archetype and motivations, but you didn't put in enough work, supporting details, and characterization so that the audience can see him from that perspective.
Honestly, the mopping is a bit nit-picky. The silver onesie pajama uniform honestly bothered me more, reminding me of cheap B-Movie direct-to-video science fiction films of the 80's (and not the goofy, fun ones).
I think that seems really idiosyncratic in a world where artificially aged vat-grown human clones having knowledge directly implanted is possible. I mean, did I read that wrong? Because that's what I was under the impression that their upbringing largely entailed; being very much akin to the 'tank born' Grunt of Mass Effect 2. I just don't see it as a stretch or a bridge-too-far that if you can implant knowledge of language effectively in vitro, then following up with 'you have a master, it is your life's mission to serve them, this is good and you should derive pleasure from serving them' should be doable given the current rule-set. You don't need brain-washing if you have 100% control of the environment and information; then it is regular old conditioning, and that works.
Thank you for your time, and I wish you the best of luck, even if it's not my particular jam.
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I personally feel that your initial critique in this thread made some valid points that ultimately sort of lost out to a somewhat antagonistic and snarky undertone. Your subsequent responses to Super Writer were mostly just venomous and admittedly frustrating to watch unfold.
Massive respect for this mea culpa and taking the road less travelled. Triple bonus points for the mostly snark-free, extensive, fair, concise and well-reasoned critical analysis that followed!
I just wanted to acknowledge your efforts here and maybe gently point out to those reaching for the face-palm emoji that criticism isn't necessarily a bad thing. Well intentioned thoughtful feedback can be absolutely invaluable to any creative truly interested in improvement. Growth doesn't typically happen in a vacuum, outside input can be helpful, if not necessary.
SuperWriter I appreciate how in the latest v0.4 update players can now have MC bang Anoushka on the "Support Nine" choice without losing relationship points with Nine and without slowing down MC & Nine relationship. As well as Anoushka now being promoted to main girl love interest status for future updates. Which from my gaming experience doesn't happen too often where the initially side female character/one-off fling gets upgraded to main love interest status and being more significant.
Seeing how previously the only way to get Anoushka sex scene in v0.3 update was stopping Nine (not supporting her) from shooting the corrupt cops and sacrificing relationship points with Nine.
Other highlights i liked in 0.4 update was seeing Nine & MC relationship progressing swiftly, i love that gentle giant caramel goddess. Liked Nine & Ten talking about being a harem romantic relationship with MC this earlier into the story. Surprised to see Eight finally start to change from her man-hating & generalizing ways and finally chill herself out around MC (playing the path of MC being the bigger/mature person and on her side). I do like scene showing Nine holding herself accountable, apologizing to MC for putting him on the spot in the trading scene and endangering everybody and their chances of escaping. Good job so far making the MC a competent person & proactive and not a pushover just going with the flow by other characters.
Just like how all fans/consumers have their own preferences/kinks/niches, so does the content creators & artists. So please continue on giving us legit harems with MC banging & romancing bunch of hot girls.
Just like you mentioned about 95% of the visual novels on F95 has a White MC (and/or Pale/Fair-skinned MC), so it's baffling seeing these complaints about the 5% of the visual novels having a Black; Brown/Dark-skinned Male MC. If were roles switched you'd look silly & dumb refusing to play any of the 95% games with a Pale/White MCs, missing out on some good games (Heck half of the White Male MCs lack variety too, using the same scrawny default Lucas 8/Michael 8 models). So It's refreshing seeing a MC that looks different, also having interracial scenes with a Brown/Dark-skinned Male MC that's portrayed in a romantic & normal way and not in a stereotypical matter (the stereotype/cliche of a Black Man mostly being used in scenes with cuckold, swinging/sausage-fests, raceplay, etc.).
We all have preferences and kinks of what we do and don't like, but it's another thing when you express it in a self-entitled & rude matter telling the creator to basically change it and be like everybody else. Instead of going about it in a respectful and constructive matter.
Seeing how previously the only way to get Anoushka sex scene in v0.3 update was stopping Nine (not supporting her) from shooting the corrupt cops and sacrificing relationship points with Nine.
Other highlights i liked in 0.4 update was seeing Nine & MC relationship progressing swiftly, i love that gentle giant caramel goddess. Liked Nine & Ten talking about being a harem romantic relationship with MC this earlier into the story. Surprised to see Eight finally start to change from her man-hating & generalizing ways and finally chill herself out around MC (playing the path of MC being the bigger/mature person and on her side). I do like scene showing Nine holding herself accountable, apologizing to MC for putting him on the spot in the trading scene and endangering everybody and their chances of escaping. Good job so far making the MC a competent person & proactive and not a pushover just going with the flow by other characters.
And yes, i'll never get tired of the Protagonist/MC (especially a competent one) banging 3+ multiple hot girls and even more so those hot girls being cool and happy with each other sharing the MC simultaneously forming a big harem couple.
Just like how all fans/consumers have their own preferences/kinks/niches, so does the content creators & artists. So please continue on giving us legit harems with MC banging & romancing bunch of hot girls.
I for one greatly appreciate you having a Black Male MC and/or simply a Brown/Dark-skinned Male MC (regardless of ethnicity & regardless if fictional race or based on IRL) in your visual novel game Follow the Leader and previous game Sun Breed. I like visual variety in my Male MC's appearance as much as i like variety in all the female love interest appearances.
Just like you mentioned about 95% of the visual novels on F95 has a White MC (and/or Pale/Fair-skinned MC), so it's baffling seeing these complaints about the 5% of the visual novels having a Black; Brown/Dark-skinned Male MC. If were roles switched you'd look silly & dumb refusing to play any of the 95% games with a Pale/White MCs, missing out on some good games (Heck half of the White Male MCs lack variety too, using the same scrawny default Lucas 8/Michael 8 models). So It's refreshing seeing a MC that looks different, also having interracial scenes with a Brown/Dark-skinned Male MC that's portrayed in a romantic & normal way and not in a stereotypical matter (the stereotype/cliche of a Black Man mostly being used in scenes with cuckold, swinging/sausage-fests, raceplay, etc.).
We all have preferences and kinks of what we do and don't like, but it's another thing when you express it in a self-entitled & rude matter telling the creator to basically change it and be like everybody else. Instead of going about it in a respectful and constructive matter.
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He doesn’t need to change a thing, either play it or get the fuck on, not a difficult decision.