VN Ren'Py Forgotten Pathways [v0.3] [Ochilochin]

[SilentSevenStar]

Nice~

 

[Moonis]

This was quite interesting. Many good characters and decent plot. Nice mystery in the beginning.

Perhaps bit too much technical details about world. Being lectured about intricacies of the magic system wasn't very fun. Players don't need to become experts of different magics, it is enough that character does that.

There were also some events that left me frustrated as MC couldn't respond like I'd have wished, but I understand that it is part of the growth story that he is quite helpless in the beginning.

Overall quite good game.

Edit: I forgot to mention couple typos I saw. Those were in the first update, so perhaps they were already fixed in the second update?
1. (But I wish I could remember at leat my name.) -> least
2. Meanwhile you need to be pacient. -> patient.

 

[Jimskeleton]

New update just dropped if any one wants to support the dev.

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Hi, everyone!
Chapter 3 is out now for you

Changelog
-> 1,865 renders
-> 27 new animations
-> ~9,050 lines of code
-> >100 songs/sound effects
-> 5 new lewd scenes
-> 5 new memories
-> +75 menus
-> All LI's revealed
+ Several bugs and typos fixed

 

[Ochilochin]

This was quite interesting. Many good characters and decent plot. Nice mystery in the beginning.

Perhaps bit too much technical details about world. Being lectured about intricacies of the magic system wasn't very fun. Players don't need to become experts of different magics, it is enough that character does that.

There were also some events that left me frustrated as MC couldn't respond like I'd have wished, but I understand that it is part of the growth story that he is quite helpless in the beginning.

Overall quite good game.

Edit: I forgot to mention couple typos I saw. Those were in the first update, so perhaps they were already fixed in the second update?
1. (But I wish I could remember at leat my name.) -> least
2. Meanwhile you need to be pacient. -> patient.

Thank you very much for your feedback and for alerting me to the excessive technical details. I'll pay more attention to this while developing chapter 4.

Ps. Typos fixed. Thanks!

 

[Ochilochin]

New update just dropped if any one wants to support the dev.

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Hi, everyone!
Chapter 3 is out now for you

Changelog
-> 1,865 renders
-> 27 new animations
-> ~9,050 lines of code
-> >100 songs/sound effects
-> 5 new lewd scenes
-> 5 new memories
-> +75 menus
-> All LI's revealed
+ Several bugs and typos fixed

Hey, thank you so much! =D

 

[grahegri]

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[Pif paf]

Mar. 14, 2024
new game version is out, I check it as soon as possible

Awesome KoGa3 ! TYVM for your work!

 

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[Vualen]

Very nice game, with good animations and some sexy moans Still I would love to have some controls over animated scenes, poses, types, etc. Also animations could be more open revealing and daring

 

[Fazed]

I read the dev notes and I kept asking myself, why would any of this be an actual problem(except for maybe a single point). Then I remembered that I am on F95. It sounds good and I will try it out and see for myself.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

I read the dev notes and I kept asking myself, why would any of this be an actual problem(except for maybe a single point). Then I remembered that I am on F95. It sounds good and I will try it out and see for myself.

Seriously, I almost never play 0.1 or 0.2s but I downloaded this last update solely because of the disclaimer. A harem game that pisses the absolute worst of the harem fan base off? It has to be good from that alone.
Oh and spoilers, it is.

 

[Darkmessiah30]

yeah yeah not your typical harem but the most important question will there be pregnancy if it hasn't already been asked

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

yeah yeah not your typical harem but the most important question will there be pregnancy if it hasn't already been asked

Because of plot reasons it seems extremely unlikely that it could happen outside of the endings.

 

[captcha69]

Seriously, I almost never play 0.1 or 0.2s but I downloaded this last update solely because of the disclaimer. A harem game that pisses the absolute worst of the harem fan base off? It has to be good from that alone.
Oh and spoilers, it is.

i read the description too, and i dont know what u are talking about, or why was neccesary for dev to make that "dev note"...a harem fan here, and yep... why im suppose to be mad about this description? sound ok for me, i mean is kinda pretentious, but it wont be the first dev to say "my game is special" there is this one saying "this is an adult VN with some sex scenes" or something like that xD some dev must hate saying that they are making porn or something, cause that was ridiculous and fun... anyway, i think this is about "virginity" if so, then u are listening to the most boring harem fans, the only thing that is annoying in a harem game is having NTR in the same game, having one of the LI having sex with someone else in a harem game is kinda the opposite of what someone playing a harem game is looking for, but a LI having a past relationship or maybe u meet her right after a breakup, or even u saving her from an abusive relationship, all those are fine, and i will add, being a harem fan doesnt mean u are not a NTR fan, it just mean that even when u like mustard, u dont put it in ur ice scream.

 

[MrBenny]

Hmm, I loaded my previous save...and noticed my name box name isn't the name I picked. As well the name everyone calls me in the game, is not None. The name I picked for my MC is Ken, is not None....very odd.

I think I'll do another replay, to see if it fixes this name tag issue for me. Using the 0x52_URM tool, it shows MC name should be Ken, not None (image below).

 

[lop333]

After finishing 0.2, I have to echo a lot of the complaints so far. I mostly enjoyed 0.1 and was looking forward to see more of the story and get some information about the mysteries. While I enjoyed some small parts of 0.2, and while it had more content and more lewd content than 0.1, it was overwhelmingly unsatisfying as an update.

Several story beats were actively unpleasant, and it felt shallow, while it did its best to make almost every character actively unlikable. The lewd scenes mostly felt out of place rather than fitting smoothly into or complementing the story, and the story spent a LOT of time in the first half of 0.2 in relatively unbroken exposition.

First, I'm going to comment about a few annoying things that aren't directly about the girls and their pasts.

• The end of 0.2 was immensely unsatisfying, with the bad guys getting the upper hand in literally every instance.
• There's a running theme in the game so far of EVERYONE (including the MC) blaming the MC for shit other people do TO him, and the game's writing and the MC just go along with that as if it's somehow true, despite the evidence of the actual events.
• This makes the MC as written into a weak and unsympathetic character, and those are never fun to play. Since he is written as if he agrees that everything's his fault, other than the one time with Hannah and then with Dan, he just never stands up for himself. You say it will change early in Chapter 3, but that doesn't help the game as it currently stands, and the writing of the second half of 0.2 content doesn't give me much hope for it, either. It doesn't feel like you understand what is making him unfun to play. He even calls himself "the worst person in Sirione" for a ton of shit OTHER PEOPLE DID. He even takes responsibility for "hurting Nina", when other people did that to her AND him.
• If Dan isn't lying, even NINA blames the MC, which makes her way shittier as a character and as an LI.
• Beyond that, Dan's decision that Hannah starting shit with the MC is the MC's fault just makes HIM irredeemable, too, which makes Nina far worse as an LI because she idolizes him.
• I even predicted during the party that Dan would assume the worst: that the MC was 'cheating' on Nina with Mya when she led him off at knifepoint, and that he "abandoned" her. And sure enough, at the end of the update, that's EXACTLY what happened, and he just blames the MC anyway even when he finds out the truth (or he doesn't believe him) about how shitty the noble families are.
• It's just such a fucking tedious way to generate conflict between people who should be allies. Sure, there's the option to bitch Dan out, but none of it is for the right reasons, and from the variables, it enables Dan as an antagonist, which will just complicate everything unnecessarily. The end of the update turned Dan into a spineless hypocritical sycophant.
• Scarlet also placed all the blame for everything on the MC, which was incredibly shitty of her. The incident at the bar was literally started by Hannah and indirectly by Tommy, and everything the MC said was 100% deserved by Hannah. That even his allies blame him for it is bullshit. Scarlet even calls the Hannah event and the party events "[the MC] picking fights", when he literally NEVER started anything. It was others attacking him in every instance. This makes Scarlet way shittier as a character and as an LI.
• There is a lot of mystery that is intentionally remaining unrevealed. I understand some of the story reasons for this, but it results in an unsatisfying update (think of each update as a partial story; if an update is not satisfying, then that partial story is itself weak), and it means characters are placing themselves as antagonists by refusing to inform the MC of things he needs to know.

I saw you say this was adapting a completed story, but it's a good idea to understand that what makes for good story in novels and literature is absolutely NOT the same as what makes for good story in AVNs, harem or otherwise. Adapting a story not originally written for an AVN is going to, of necessity, involve more rewriting than it would to adapt a story to, say, a video series, or vice versa.

Now, for the LIs.

First, most harem games penalize not taking all LIs by not replacing their content, and many harem games that have multiple endings require all harem members for the "good" endings. So saying "if you don't like some of them, there are a lot of others" can be disingenuous if this is your plan, and it will result in some updates having almost no content for a person's preferred LIs since so many of them have problems. Also, as a caveat: While I am not personally opposed to former-prostitute LIs, it is a safe bet that there are statistically zero harem fans that like CURRENTLY-prostitute LIs - more on that below. It also wasn't fun having that sprung on me after having a lewd scene with her without having that information. I know you mentioned you already acknowledge that that was a mistake, but you haven't said anything about changing it.

Beyond that, you said that "most of [the LIs] are either virgins or their personal history is irrelevant", but as far as I can tell, this is just NOT true. Maybe one or two are virgins, and the others' sexual pasts absolutely inform (and for the most part cheapen) their lewd scenes with the MC and in several cases, the larger plot. Your story as written and presented so far does not support your statement, and that means you've ended up writing lewd scenes that just aren't very sexy, because there's no emotional connection with the girls, or that emotional connection gets ruined by their other interactions. For a bunch of them, the MC seems to be just another fuck.

Third, virginity inherently improves an LI in a harem game at least in part because it leads to the girl being more devoted to the MC, so if their pasts don't matter, why bother making them NOT be virgins? And if their pasts matter, then the statement above is false.

Now for some more specific comments about the girls and virginity to show my work.

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Spoiler: Elise specifically

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Spoiler: Girls who don't count

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Spoiler: Bonus Round: Non-LI girls with sexual or near-sexual content

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So grand total, of 18 LIs we have:

• 1 virgin (Nina)
• 2 maybe-virgins (Amy, Hannah)
• 2 probably-not-virgins (Skye, Chiara)
• 7 explicitly-not-virgins (Helga, Anna, Scarlet, Sadie, Lilah, Tracy, Elise), four of them with sexual pasts that directly impact the story and absolutely DO matter, and two of those with actively harem-hostile sexual pasts.
• 6 that don't count (2 of those explicitly non-virgin (Cora, Margot), 3 not seen yet (Sofie, Tamara, Hollie/Lila), and 1 probably-not-virgin (Alysa))

TL;DR: I'm not going to tell you how to tell your game's story. It's your game, and your story. But you should be more honest about its content.

If your intent is to have primarily harem fans following/supporting your game, you might want to consider a few changes. LIs who fuck or have fucked other people are drastically less appealing to harem fans than LIs who are narratively meant only for the MC. Harem games are power fantasies, after all, so there's no reason NOT to lean into the fantasy, since the writer decides on everyone's backstories and game plots.

Final note about tags: In your Genre section, you can highlight which tags are what you consider major themes. For the game tags themselves, anything that's present at all needs to be tagged. The prostitution tag absolutely does belong on the game, even though it's not a theme or focus, because there are two characters who are blatantly prostitutes, one of whom is optionally sexually involved with the MC.

Based saved me a download. I mean i was on the fance of downloading it but this made sure i didnt.
I honestly dislike the attitude of "my game is better then your regular harem game, no its grimy depressing, looks so much so adult wow, my mc is not like other mcs no he takes volumes of words before he decides to touch a girl" that some of the game on this website have shitting on the whole genre they are trying to base their game off.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

Hmm, I loaded my previous save...and noticed my name box name isn't the name I picked. As well the name everyone calls me in the game, is not None. The name I picked for my MC is Ken, is not None....very odd.

I think I'll do another replay, to see if it fixes this name tag issue for me. Using the 0x52_URM tool, it shows MC name should be Ken, not None (image below).

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The variable was changed to persistent.mc_name and doesn't show up on search. You can either start a new game until you get to the naming section and then after you name your MC reload your old save, or you can probably just click the renaming tab on urm and change in manually there.

 

[lop333]

It seems like your story has triggered some people I suggest to put a big ass alert in the OP telling people to read the developer's notes, so they understand where you're going with your story or why the MC can look weak at times.

I didnt play the game so i have zero right to discuss but i think there is s diffrence bettwen Mc having his moments of weakness and jobbing constantly in a god damn harem game where people usualy go for power fantasy or atleast not being seen a failure

 

[J.R.]

After reading some comments it seems like it's another fake harem. I haven't played it yet and I don't think I will play it. GL...

This game never was a typical harem nor pretended to be one. Read the dev notes on the OP.

 

[Tiur]

Based saved me a download. I mean i was on the fance of downloading it but this made sure i didnt.
I honestly dislike the attitude of "my game is better then your regular harem game, no its grimy depressing, looks so much so adult wow, my mc is not like other mcs no he takes volumes of words before he decides to touch a girl" that some of the game on this website have shitting on the whole genre they are trying to base their game off.

Please do read some of my other posts in the thread as well. Ochilochin did take many of the things in that post into consideration in the rewrite that came out as 0.2.2, and some of the changes I suggested, he did make directly. The dev notes' current state came after our conversation.

Basically, I suggest giving the game a try now that 0.3 is out. 0.3 is a far better-balanced presentation of the game as a whole, and is probably the point I would have waited for for initial release, had I been Ochilochin.

After reading some comments it seems like it's another fake harem. I haven't played it yet and I don't think I will play it. GL...

It's not a fake harem. There are 18 LIs, and they can all be LIs simultaneously, most likely right up to the end. None of the LIs have any sexual interaction with other people once they're the MC's girls. Several of them do know about each other already, and while there are conflicts and some mild jealousies, none of them are forcing decisions between two LIs.

The majority of the remaining concerns are about some people not being able to get over Tracy's pre-0.2.2 job, and the 0.1-0.2 content consisting heavily of kicking the MC while he's down. That's a part of what I was talking to Ochilochin about in this thread, where updates that end on big downer moments are un-fun, which 0.2/0.2.2 decidedly were.

0.3 did improve on that quite a bit (just like Ochilochin promised in his responses to me), with some actual answers coming down, multiple girls actually starting things with the MC, and the MC building allies, finding real information out, and starting to make real moves. Honestly, 0.3 (with the 0.2.2 changes) would probably have been the best "starting point" this game could have had, so I expect people will mostly be favorable towards it from here on out.

The virgins thing was just because, at the time, it sounded a lot like almost none of the girls were virgins, and particularly a couple I had expected to be. Thus why he gave the explicit numbers for the LIs. It does turn out two of my assessments were wrong, and both of them are revealed in 0.3.