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Although I have a hunch it won't be that does not mean I am right there is still hope it will be out this year. Everyone will just have to wait til it is.
Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.0.9d] [Mity]
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I agree.
People call it a game, but ren'py has always been made for visual novels, who are mostly more of interactive books, most of the "choose your adventure" kind, with audiovisual effects.
And most follow this formula, just with some extras to pepper it but not really needed.
Most professional ones do it, even if it does not look like it. Ace Atorney, both the investigation and courtroom are mostly interesting ways to get the various dialogues - you can have the right info and items but you can check, show or press wrong ones just to have more fun dialogue. Danganrompa has a more tense courtroom minigame, but that is just to give it tension as if your life is on the line, it is still basically "you figured it out/you did not". Zero Escape, the room escapes are mostly a way to both give story info (lots of the dialogue when finding the pieces to escape end up being important exposition, some relevant to the characters, others to later story points) and give you the feeling of their "escape or die" position - they are not even made by the same people, the story made by the main team and the puzzles outsourced from a group specialized in these things.
And yeah. I can see how "download one, play 4+ from it, all connected" sounds appealing, but the way it is done is just very confusing... and honestly a waste.
They should have a check on the saves if you did the other books on the same one and what you did on them, at least. So if you did something like help free the slaves on book 2's slave route you may meet one of them at a point in book 4 or something like that.
That would also help keep track of where you did what route, and in book 2's case what ending you did.
I'm not even asking for equipment transfer - would not make much difference since the mc trades bodies with no way to know what he is going to next, and as the main skills are transfered too they would not need it (but some extra dialogue based on something the mc could only learn by playing another route on the same save would be nice)
But the main problem for me is the lack of consistency between mini-games.
Battle systems change completely. It would be one thing if they changed as improving, but no, they seem to have completely diferent bases. Book 1 is a third person view attack, defend, heal system, Book 2 is a more tactical up to 3x3 (with armor for different defenses) that could be seen as some progression of it... Book 3 goes a completely different feel though, first person view gone is defense, only normal or wide attacks of different elements or healing potions. It is understandable as you learned a wide attack on book 2 and of the story circunstances, but it is still jarring. Book 4 Slave's closest thing to a battle system is pro bending, and instead of playing something close to Book 2's it was turned into a brain age-like minigame.
Crab Battles, while an interesting enough aside in Book 2 I went out of my way with no real need to become the champion, in Book 3 they almost became a chore, as while the battle themselves seemed to be the same the way to get them or even battle them became too much of a chore for me.
And the two book 4's minigames are very inconsistent between them too. And while I can understand their uses in Slave, one is an action focus thing, one is a bejewelled about coins to get the coins and the wind ones are hand-eye coordination about the control of the wind and controlling how it flows, in Love they are controlling your power with it, which could make sense if it did not jar so much with the Love ones... and Simon Says. Lots of them, for everything, be physiotherapy or wind control or even just to fill dialogue. What.
I believe, and you guys are free to disagree, Mity is going into the same trap many people here seem to go into.
"This is a game, so it needs minigames to not become an electronic book with nice pictures and sounds."
This is a visual novel. It is, by definition, an electrononic book with nice pictures and sounds. Some of them are "choose your adventure" but Umineko is not, for example.
Minigames are a bonus. They are not supposed to be needed. And in the case of this visual novel they are at a point they are lowering the experience, not helping it.
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I play this game for my lad Shady, that is all.
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If you read some of the updates posted by cbob he said he was sending things to the artist and if we dont see a release within November we have permission to give him shit about it.
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someone went on a spree there, a whole section is gone, with parts of the discussion clearly related to the game and it's devs. guess i go through my screenshots and file a ticket about it. may take a while.
on the minigames, i've seen other Ren'Py games with minigames that contained just a button to skip (minigame started first, then you can skip) with positive outcome. would serve both worlds.
Are the cardboard box and the threehouse scenes the only ones? I really hope they add some more, easily the best "plot" of book 4 lolMaybe you just discovered you like the idea of being dominated cause.....i mean she kinda literally has her way with you by tying you up, drugging and raping you which is fucked up but pretty hot and yes buckets where filled.
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Yeah I read that post and then I read the last one posted in this thread from the artist doubting cbobs ability to actually meet that time line. So the jury is still out on the question at hand. Still hope I am wrong though I want to play more just like everyone else here.
Is that the memory one? Cause it's not really that hard, don't know how to cheat sorry
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Yeah, I have never been good with those. If they would slow it down a little I might be able to manage, damn thing is too fast for me.
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Did you refer to the sex doll inflation minigame, which has next to no explanation of how it works? Yet another example of the "quality" we're in for. From what I remember you had to time your clicks in a specific way, it wasn't about speed.
Which is the memory one? Whatever it is it certainly did not succeed at being "memorable".
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Inflation ? not recalling it, then again I have not finished what has been released of the last love rout update I got really annoyed with the memory one and just stopped playing. I figured if learning airbending in the love rout was tied to the memory game then there was no point in playing anymore. I suppose I could try and look at the code and figure out what I would have to change to cheat but most of the time when I try that I just end up breaking the game.