m4pII

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I know I am adding lots of characters looking a bit unnecessary but believe me I am using the 3 Act Story Rule and this is for exposition. Newly added characters may have connections with other characters from previous versions. They all have their responsibility in this story. For example, because of your choices, you may not see sexual content with Iceman but Yoon may have some reason to see him in the future with different relations. At that event, they will not know each other if you didn't hit Iceman's car. But Iceman will bring something to the story with a different purpose.
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I have no complaints about the characters and the story. No matter if the Lesbian route is the main one for me, I will play all routes and watch all the possibilities.

- I just see that Iceman is a significant character in the next update.
- And for example, I did not crash his car.
- Will I get less content (smaller update size)?
- Or will there be other content for those who didn't crash his car?


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The serious problem will be for those who didn't unlock any side story, this update may looks nothing for them
 

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Sorry, we did not understand each other)
I have no complaints about the characters and the story. No matter if the Lesbian route is the main one for me, I will play all routes and watch all the possibilities.

- I just see that Iceman is a significant character in the next update.
- And for example, I did not crash his car.
- Will I get less content (smaller update size)?
- Or will there be other content for those who didn't crash his car?


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Yes, I already saw the answer
Yes, Michelle and Yoon scenes will be included because I have already transformed Stella's Edits into Ren'py format since v0.392. And apart from Iceman's event, there will be also a "House Party" event.
 

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I think the player should have the choice to control how Yoon's relationship with Daniel progresses. If the player wants her to be faithful to him, then we have that option, but if the player wants to cheat and have relationships behind Daniel's back, then I think that should be available, too, and I don't want there to be any ''cutting corners''. I want the full-on cheating (maybe even optional NTR in the future) experience. Just my thoughts. It would be good to have that option.
 
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I think the player should have the choice to control how Yoon's relationship with Daniel progresses. If the player wants her to be faithful to him, then we have that option, but if the player wants to cheat and have relationships behind Daniel's back, then I think that should be available, too, and I don't want there to be any ''cutting corners''. I want the full-on cheating (maybe even optional NTR in the future) experience. Just my thoughts. It would be good to have that option.
My only concern to that is that I want After Choices to tell the story that HE wants to tell. I don't want a VN written by committee trying to please everybody.

Especially as it feels very difficult in practice to balance both an NTR/cheating route and a Faithful Wife route. Most developers will have a favourite route and will probably favour that route, even if subconsciously. What you are then left with is that fans of the less favoured route feel hard done by

I am all for player choice in VN's, but not if it unnecessarily complicates a story forcing the developer to spend time and renders telling a story that was nt what they were aiming for.
 

azel1

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My only concern to that is that I want After Choices to tell the story that HE wants to tell. I don't want a VN written by committee trying to please everybody.

Especially as it feels very difficult in practice to balance both an NTR/cheating route and a Faithful Wife route. Most developers will have a favourite route and will probably favour that route, even if subconsciously. What you are then left with is that fans of the less favoured route feel hard done by

I am all for player choice in VN's, but not if it unnecessarily complicates a story forcing the developer to spend time and renders telling a story that was nt what they were aiming for.
That's fine, and I agree. I left a comment on this thread weeks ago saying that the developer shouldn't get too hung up on player ideas, and focus on the game they want to make. It was mainly a suggestion. A lot of people have been giving their input and I just wanted to give mine. I'm not asking for anything overly complicated.

So far, it looks like they're going for several routes considering the number of characters, choices and renders already in the game. It also seems like the developer is going to do something similar to what I suggested anyway....

At the end of the day, the developer is going to do what the developer wants to do, and judging by the quality so far, I'm going to like it either way.
 

BUCCO

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Sorry to make you guys waiting longer for side stories :D Don't worry, all the side-story will not be cut out. "John, the favorite student" has been written so many chapters. The problem is I don't have time to render it for Day 2. So I decided to postpone it to day 3. "Virgin Michelle", the Side story will be on Day 2 (v0.395). "House Party", also is the main thing of v0.395. So, I don't leave anything behind. I will carry them all. The serious problem will be for those who didn't unlock any side story, this update may looks nothing for them :D:D
After Choices, thank you for allowing us to choose the route ;-)
 
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stahalle

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That's fine, and I agree. I left a comment on this thread weeks ago saying that the developer shouldn't get too hung up on player ideas, and focus on the game they want to make. It was mainly a suggestion. A lot of people have been giving their input and I just wanted to give mine. I'm not asking for anything overly complicated.

So far, it looks like they're going for several routes considering the number of characters, choices and renders already in the game. It also seems like the developer is going to do something similar to what I suggested anyway....

At the end of the day, the developer is going to do what the developer wants to do, and judging by the quality so far, I'm going to like it either way.
the thing with porn games is the the faithful route is always the hardest to write. eapacialy with so many options. and i agree with you he shouldn´t always follow what we suggest. they should follow the story they want to tell. sometimes i feel after choices get overwhelmd by all that comments and try to follow all of them. sure we all want the best game but thats imposible to archive. we are just at the start at the story and have already so many routes. its not bad, i just hope he can follow all of them. and that we all can get the ending we like. sometimes i think they should take a step back with characters because it gets to big, but than i see how fast they work. i just hope they don´t overwork themself and can deliver the content for all the routes they start.
 
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Sorry to make you guys waiting longer for side stories :D Don't worry, all the side-story will not be cut out. "John, the favorite student" has been written so many chapters. The problem is I don't have time to render it for Day 2. So I decided to postpone it to day 3. "Virgin Michelle", the Side story will be on Day 2 (v0.395). "House Party", also is the main thing of v0.395. So, I don't leave anything behind. I will carry them all. The serious problem will be for those who didn't unlock any side story, this update may looks nothing for them :D:D
What you do is not easy. The "Mona Lisa" was not painted overnight and, as I understand it, contains many underlying versions before perfection was reached. I sit patiently, waiting!
 

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What you do is not easy. The "Mona Lisa" was not painted overnight and, as I understand it, contains many underlying versions before perfection was reached. I sit patiently, waiting!
It's not like it will be that long a wait until the next update anyway. In the other game, I'm pretty much going to be missing content for the next couple of years at the rate they are putting out updates.
 

BUCCO

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A Wife and Mother. The current update is only going to be 1/3 of a day, but we've been waiting all year for it. At this stage it's only due at the end of the month at the earliest, but first week of June is more likely
yes AWAM I also play, but I started playing it since the last update ;-)
 
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Alley_Cat

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I can't carry enough cheese to visit that thread.
Which I think is a shame. It has most of my favourite characters in it. The only real problem is that the dev (L&P) lacks self-discipline in order to stick to his plan. The update we're waiting for was only meant to be a small update of around 400-450 renders, but has ballooned into a complicated one of around 1000. And pretty much all the events are for one route (of four) only for the next day and a half of content.
 
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I heard that the secret of the "Mona Lisa" mysterious smile was that he had no teeth, is it true?!? ;-)
Lisa del Giocondo was an Italian noblewoman and member of the Gherardini family of Florence and Tuscany. Her name was given to the Mona Lisa, her portrait commissioned by her husband and painted by Leonardo da Vinci during the Italian Renaissance. Little is known about Lisa's life. (1479-1542) “Believe nothing you hear, and only half of what you see.” - Benjamin Franklin. Seriously, all I know is she looks like she could keep a secret! :)
 
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