VN Ren'Py Completed Freeloading Family [v0.32] [FFCreations]

[Shelscott50]

I have quite a few outlines for more projects, but nothing to officially announce at this time. I don't think either FFC or myself are done after this game, though.

I am going to be pretty upset (sad) when This Game Does Finally
reaches it conclusion,... I have grown REALLY attached to these Characters; and Susan too.
(it's going to feel like losing a Family member)
Which brings me to "Choices",... there IS No way MC would consciously "break up" with the Girls
(fate can Be a Cruel Bitch!)
I would Never stop/prevent any of the girls from leaving, or leading on in a direction
that would separate Us If it was to improve her happiness or life goals.

But I Could Not summarily Quit All of them because I could Not choose 'just One' without hurting the others,...
And Although YOU have included in Mel's & Leah's story(ending) that Aunt Hailey Is Fine (happily re-married)
I felt that it is kind of a disservice that She got "brushed off" so easily after mom' & Dad show up;
Spending So Much Time and Effort developing a (loving/sexual) relationship with her.
Maybe It is Me,... Maybe I am the Only One,... But
I can see MC having a Relationship with her Hailey; and Should have a Place in "Choices".
Especially since Hailey IS the Only "Family" MC has have left.

 

[sharpys]

“Ooof” is all I can say at this point. Still don’t know how and why Karina is a serious contender, but I always saw her as a forced insert, someone intended for the MC to corrupt not help bloom.

Anyways, same procedure: I’ll pop in back in another year to check how things are going. Disappointed Haley is still not a serious ending considering the last minute fling.

 

[Draon79]

But yeah, we reused renders, and still also put 114 new renders into the ending so... maybe you should relax a bit.

114 renders in 2 months? No offense but honestly is the team only working on weekends? Based on the Patreon page that is roughly $3k in subscriptions for something most solo developers can kick out in less then 7 days. This does not encourage much confidence in any future projects if I am being 100% honest.

And still being honest the only reason people are getting pissed and ranting is because of the drastic drop in both quality and quantity since the decision to end this at what felt like a halfway point. It just feels like FFC is not even trying anymore and is just dragging their feet for profit now. Reality might be different but there has not been alot of communication to change that perspective.

 

[Ive-11]

harem ending havnt finished yet right?

 

[FFCreations]

114 renders in 2 months? No offense but honestly is the team only working on weekends? Based on the Patreon page that is roughly $3k in subscriptions for something most solo developers can kick out in less then 7 days. This does not encourage much confidence in any future projects if I am being 100% honest.

It's around 1.5k a month. And it's split between me (who do the renders) and Val (who is the writer). And yes we do have other things outside this game we're working with. And it isn't only 114 renders and that's it. It's also stuff that people aren't really considering but still needs to be done. Like building new locations and characters that needs to be used for scenes. Those things can be very demanding in terms of time. 114 renders will probably take around 228 hours to make and render. And add in a couple of hours at least for the aforementioned locations and character creations. We can round it up to 250 hours. There isn't even 250 hours in 7 days.

And still being honest the only reason people are getting pissed and ranting is because of the drastic drop in both quality and quantity since the decision to end this at what felt like a halfway point.

I don't really know where you got the drop in quality and quantity from. Of course I can't say you're wrong for saying there's a drop in quality. That's purely subjective. But quantity? Before we ended it, we made around 60 renders and 1k lines of script per month for each update. Now that we're ending it, it's around 120 renders and 2k lines of script every 2 month. So I'd say in terms of quantity it's exactly the same. So I'd love it if you could elaborate a bit on that.

It just feels like FFC is not even trying anymore and is just dragging their feet for profit now. Reality might be different but there has not been alot of communication to change that perspective.

As for this point. I honestly think we've been rather good at communicating. We've been quite active here and on our Discord server answering questions and concerns people have. I think the issue that arises often is that different people keep repeating the same questions and concerns without knowing we've already answered it in the past. Which might make them feel like we're bad at communicating with the players. Which I can understand.

 

[Starkmk87]

So why did they not move into the Aunts house instead of Alice living in a Dorm and who knows where the MC went

And why the fuck she moves into a fucking dorm at all instead of her and mc renting a flat together...

 

[Frank01]

And why the fuck she moves into a fucking dorm at all instead of her and mc renting a flat together...

Writer's fatigue is my guess.

 

[frozenfeet]

Not happening, sorry. Dev is just done with this project if you cant tell already. Anything more would just ruin this further for those that loved it before the massacre and untimely death of a great story.

Yea the Dev ruined it for me when the father came back and kicked them out of the house. Haven't played it since. And from what I have read about all the endings so far keeps me from wanting to come back and play any of them either.

 

[MattShizzle]

Karina is hot AF, wished it would have gone into engagement/marriage (the psycho parents would have liked) or at least the chance. Still hoping for the Sister or harem ending. Melody ending was best so far. She is also hot AF.

 

[Draon79]

It's around 1.5k a month. And it's split between me (who do the renders) and Val (who is the writer). And yes we do have other things outside this game we're working with. And it isn't only 114 renders and that's it. It's also stuff that people aren't really considering but still needs to be done. Like building new locations and characters that needs to be used for scenes. Those things can be very demanding in terms of time. 114 renders will probably take around 228 hours to make and render. And add in a couple of hours at least for the aforementioned locations and character creations. We can round it up to 250 hours. There isn't even 250 hours in 7 days.


I don't really know where you got the drop in quality and quantity from. Of course I can't say you're wrong for saying there's a drop in quality. That's purely subjective. But quantity? Before we ended it, we made around 60 renders and 1k lines of script per month for each update. Now that we're ending it, it's around 120 renders and 2k lines of script every 2 month. So I'd say in terms of quantity it's exactly the same. So I'd love it if you could elaborate a bit on that.


As for this point. I honestly think we've been rather good at communicating. We've been quite active here and on our Discord server answering questions and concerns people have. I think the issue that arises often is that different people keep repeating the same questions and concerns without knowing we've already answered it in the past. Which might make them feel like we're bad at communicating with the players. Which I can understand.

I was comparing to some Solo developers that I know that can and have consistently produced 200 to 300 renders a week, this includes character creation, locations, coding and scripting and for some this was done on low end PCs until they were able to upgrade. But these Devs also seriously love what they are doing/creating and might also be slightly insane. Just saying that 114 renders seems low for 60 days compared to other projects. I get there are other things beside this project that you and Laurie have going on and scheduling ect can get messy at times.

As far as quantity and quality.... I base that on the time it takes to go through an update and the content there in. Prior to the .25 update I would say that there was about an hour for each one as there was depth to the story in them that I am finding lacking now. There is a distinct disconnect from the story, each ending has its own issues that take away from the quality and thus quantity. An example being Leah's ending, there was not an end to it, it just kinda stopped with no explanation on what happened after, there was drama and build up and then it just flat-lined with no resolution, we are left to question if they got married and had kids, did MC finish college and start traveling with her around the world? There were more questions created then answered. Kinda the same for Melody, did they get married and have kids or more kids? Again left with questions. To me an ending wraps up the story and none have done that to date. I have not played the current update but I would bet there is a similar ending to it as the others with more questions then answers.

I don't get all the notifications nor do I go back through 50 pages of the thread to see if I missed something but I know I have asked (ranted might be a better word) about the lack of definitive endings to the last 2 updates and got crickets, also asked why it was ending so soon as it seemed there was more story to be told up to that point. As far as the common questions regarding Hailey and Susan... Do I think that Hailey needs a solo ending... it would be really nice and slightly warranted since as she was more then just a side character but as long as she is addressed in the other endings that would be good enough I guess. Susan does not really need one at all since she was a side/filler character to the story but if shes on the No One endings that's fine by me too. All told it just feels rushed and I personally didn't see anything from you or Laurie really explaining why it took this turn when it did or why the endings don't really wrap the story up. If you can clarify that would be most awesome. Thanks!

 

[RoadWulf]

People complaining about the Karina ending judge the character by what she was like as a senior in highschool. How far removed from that person were you by the end of College? 4 years in college changes anyone. So the drastic difference in who she became is just her personality shifting over the period of time of her becoming an adult and being separated from her parent psycho christian viewpoint. One daughter became a lesbian, the other changed her outlook.

It's really not that surprising.

 

[Chef25]

I've been known to complain once or twice on this site, but I'm not going to complain about the way that this is ending. As I said before, my first save on this game was 5/31/18. It's been a long time, but at least it is being given an ENDING. So many games go on for years and never give you one. I see people complaining about 2 months between updates and lack of renders for that length of time. One of my other favorite games on this site hasn't updated for about 8 months, although the Dev is active talking to people, so you know that it's not dead. THAT is frustrating. Be thankful for what you have with THIS game.

 

[Ranting Old Man]

Least favorite ending so far, not that it was bad, just not as exciting or meaningful as the others.

 

[cbrnewn1903]

anyone know how many endings till its complete?

 

[Ranting Old Man]

114 renders in 2 months? No offense but honestly is the team only working on weekends? Based on the Patreon page that is roughly $3k in subscriptions for something most solo developers can kick out in less then 7 days. This does not encourage much confidence in any future projects if I am being 100% honest.

And still being honest the only reason people are getting pissed and ranting is because of the drastic drop in both quality and quantity since the decision to end this at what felt like a halfway point. It just feels like FFC is not even trying anymore and is just dragging their feet for profit now. Reality might be different but there has not been alot of communication to change that perspective.

Thats not actually alot of living money. Rent/house payment in most places would take all or most of that.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I've been known to complain once or twice on this site, but I'm not going to complain about the way that this is ending. As I said before, my first save on this game was 5/31/18. It's been a long time, but at least it is being given an ENDING. So many games go on for years and never give you one. I see people complaining about 2 months between updates and lack of renders for that length of time. One of my other favorite games on this site hasn't updated for about 8 months, although the Dev is active talking to people, so you know that it's not dead. THAT is frustrating. Be thankful for what you have with THIS game.

I am thankful for the dev being active on here and steadily putting out content. I can not however be silent on the total disservice to Hailey fans and will never accept the dad being the confidante in the endings.

This vn was really really good until the endings started. I don't say that to be mean or a troll but out of disappointment because they made such good product until then.

Both Hailey being married off to someone else and the villain (dad) being buds with the mc kind of put the endings under a target and so far they haven't lived up to the rest of the vn to overcome them two big faults. Imo

 

[Draon79]

Thats not actually alot of living money. Rent/house payment in most places would take all or most of that.

Never said they were living off of it just profiting.

 

[Ranting Old Man]

Karina, guessed it, 3 for 3. So the next one will actually be the "No One" ending, because he's waiting on Alice and the Harem for absolute last.

I truly hope your wrong. I've been patient keep telling myself Alice ending make it all worth it. But how can I not see it as Milking their fan base if that's what they choose to do? I personally think Alice next then no one then Harem. If they do it the way you suggested my opinion of the team will change significantly.

 

[Siphon]

Impressive, how he managed to ruin everything good about Karina. This was actually pretty okay until he decided to rush the endings. I'll just pretend that one Christmas special is the real Karina ending.

It's really not that surprising.

Realistically it isn't, but this is a porn game so the laws of reality don't apply for the most part. Being upset a character that you likely grew to care about enough to 'romance' changed so drastically in what is supposed to be the final moments you get to spend with her (since it is the ending and all) is kind of a kick in the balls.

 

[RoadWulf]

I truly hope your wrong. I've been patient keep telling myself Alice ending make it all worth it. But how can I not see it as Milking their fan base if that's what they choose to do? I personally think Alice next then no one then Harem. If they do it the way you suggested my opinion of the team will change significantly.

But the way I'm saying makes the most sense. Alice is by far the most loved of the girls, and she is the MAIN GIRL. The Harem ending is however, the more important one of the endings. The "No One" option is a mystery thing that no one really knows what to expect from it. So they will put it out first as a Filler, Alice next, then the Harem as the finale.