VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch.10 v0.71] [NeonGhosts]

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

One of my patrons has actually been working on something for this, building on the work of an f95 member. But, the difficulty is that each scene has so many variations just based on variables/values that a traditional, main menu-launched gallery with playable scenes, is kind of difficult. So, the options at this point seem to be a gallery that launches to only one particular variation of a scene, or an option to choose, broadly, the nature of the scene, which would then still be sans certain customizations.

The other option is to have a gallery within a save file, where you can jump back to scenes you've played. But, at that point it seems like.. Why not just have save files for those scenes?

So, it remains a sticky wicket for the moment. I'd like to launch the Chapter One remake with some kind of gallery function in place. But, exactly what that might look like is still up in the air.

I suppose it would mainly help a lot with save clutter. Instead of needing, say, 20 saves for certain variables/paths, you would only need 1 save that has all those variables already set. Save-based gallery seems like the best compromise imo, maybe the least headache too?

I'm not a coder, so I'm talking out of my ass. But, when it comes to games that have so many scene variations, I've always wondered if it'd be possible to have a gallery submenu that has starting default variables already set, but that lets you tweak everything (each variable having a pull-down menu or w/e that has all the possible acceptable values), then 'save' it and then any scene you replay has those variables set (sans variables that are required for the scene). Dunno how that'd work, whether it creates a separate save file that stores the replay gallery variables, or what.

Alternatively, selecting a scene from the gallery asks you any relevant questions to set variables for the scene, for example whether Ashe is afraid of you, or hates you, or whether you've already had sex with her or not, or blah blah, before proceeding.

I'd guess these latter two methods would just be a huge pain in the ass to do, though. Like I said, I think save-game based gallery seems like the best compromise between the dev's sanity & what the players want from a gallery.

The dark path needs an accomplice to fall into proper literary erotic horror territory. in BH understood and Jackie got a gf, in Story of the Eye the narrator got his gf simone, in natural born killers Mickey has Mallory. Also the narrator is supposed to escape in the end not get caught and punished. Its not because the he doesnt deserve it, but because in real life monsters exist and thrive. That's why hero's exist in literature. Not so people can believe they are a hero, but so the common people can feels like some day some how justice will pervail.

Sadly the only character that would work as Guy's accomplice/gf would be Mason, unless his sister finally shows up. We don't know her character but being related it would be very plausible for her to have the same dark streak as MC. I wonder if she will ever actually show up one day, regardless of path.

If MC's gonna have an accomplice, it's probably going to be Isabella (Brit's mom) or Tessa (Jamie's little helper). They're both narcissists/psychos that don't care about anyone else. Only other thing I could imagine is corrupting/scaring one of the normal LIs so much that they reluctantly go along with it. Don't know who would fall under that; my 2c, definitely not Nicki or Risa, the others maybe can be controlled?

 

[boobsrcool]

Viola

 

[duckydoodoo]

If MC's gonna have an accomplice, it's probably going to be Isabella (Brit's mom) or Tessa (Jamie's little helper). They're both narcissists/psychos that don't care about anyone else. Only other thing I could imagine is corrupting/scaring one of the normal LIs so much that they reluctantly go along with it. Don't know who would fall under that; my 2c, definitely not Nicki or Risa, the others maybe can be controlled?

IDK, maybe if being bad was about money and influence that would make sense. But dark Guy is using his money to unleash his inner demon, a narcissist and or psycho doesnt fit as they dont see their actions as wrong. Those are conflicting types of dark behavior. We are looking for someone who finds an act of violence of Guy's as sexually arousing, or taking part in as an act of liberation. The crazy has to match, not necessarily as be the same but fit like a puzzle piece.

 

[soldano]

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Oh, yeah, Chesty Cheetahs.

But I think it would be much better if it had tables outside.

Somenthing like that:

 

[abgazil]

Let's all try to be nice to each other in here, plzzzzz

I appreciate the discussion, though. I tend not to weigh in on certain topics, but it's always nice to see people's perspectives.

Also! Here's an incomplete/unfinished version of the Chesty Cheetahs exterior. I figured out how to make neon signs using a simple PNG file and Daz's billboard builder. Considerably better than buying the $20 neon sign kit on the Daz marketplace.. >_>

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One of my patrons has actually been working on something for this, building on the work of an f95 member. But, the difficulty is that each scene has so many variations just based on variables/values that a traditional, main menu-launched gallery with playable scenes, is kind of difficult. So, the options at this point seem to be a gallery that launches to only one particular variation of a scene, or an option to choose, broadly, the nature of the scene, which would then still be sans certain customizations.

The other option is to have a gallery within a save file, where you can jump back to scenes you've played. But, at that point it seems like.. Why not just have save files for those scenes?

So, it remains a sticky wicket for the moment. I'd like to launch the Chapter One remake with some kind of gallery function in place. But, exactly what that might look like is still up in the air.

The gallery for Our Red String seems to get around this by making you select from several options to determine which variation of the scene is played.

 

[NeonGhosts]

Oh, yeah, Chesty Cheetahs.

But I think it would be much better if it had tables outside.

Somenthing like that:

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Good call!

(I went a bit more modest with the patio, but I think it's still an improvement.)

 

[Dogorti]

Mason BEST gi.... I mean boi

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

IDK, maybe if being bad was about money and influence that would make sense. But dark Guy is using his money to unleash his inner demon, a narcissist and or psycho doesnt fit as they dont see their actions as wrong. Those are conflicting types of dark behavior. We are looking for someone who finds an act of violence of Guy's as sexually arousing, or taking part in as an act of liberation. The crazy has to match, not necessarily as be the same but fit like a puzzle piece.

I guess I'm a little confused here. Who would be sexually aroused by assaulting other women except a narcissist/psychopath? That's how dark Guy's being written, isn't he? Maybe someone can clue me in if I'm not getting something?

And ofc I'm talking about in RL now... I play the dark path and can get aroused, but we all know they aren't real people with real feelings, just characters in fiction; and yet even then I can still feel bad and have my limits. But watching a real, living person suffer in RL and getting pleasure from that? It's completely and utterly different, which is what an accomplice character would be doing.

That's why I said an alternative would be a LI who reluctantly goes along with it, either because Guy scares them into silence or mayyyybe because he pays them into it, but I feel like that would work more for like 1 event rather than something that's reoccurring. So if not those, then I feel like it's gotta be a psycho who doesn't care about the suffering of others, just like Guy, and if you want them to be aroused by it on top of that, that's yet another layer. I'm convinced Tessa could maybe be both of those, we'll have to see, whereas Isabella doesn't seem like she'd be aroused by it, just wouldn't care.

But I don't know, maybe Isabella could get aroused by degrading and negative comparison or something? Where basically she's the center of the act? Age is the enemy of beauty after all, and that's her only quality, so.. she probably loves, loves, loves the idea of a rich, fairly handsome Guy telling other girls they're beneath Isabella, they're not as pretty, and punishing them for ever even entertaining the thought. I could see that.

 

[duckydoodoo]

I guess I'm a little confused here. Who would be sexually aroused by assaulting other women except a narcissist/psychopath?

That question was actually my point from the beginning. I really don't see any existing character fitting the bill, was why I started spewin about it. But like i originally submitted, MC's darkness can be genetic or related to childhood trauma, so his sister could have those same tendancies(not saying she does, saying it would work). For exisiting characters, Mason has suffered trauma and abuse, is deeply insecure and in some brances already appears to have a deepseated need to please the MC. Thats a possible foundation for an apprentice. I doubt the dev will write in a Dark Guy side kick regardless, but I still think her needs one.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

That question was actually my point from the beginning. I really don't see any existing character fitting the bill, was why I started spewin about it. But like i originally submitted, MC's darkness can be genetic or related to childhood trauma, so his sister could have those same tendancies(not saying she does, saying it would work). For exisiting characters, Mason has suffered trauma and abuse, is deeply insecure and in some brances already appears to have a deepseated need to please the MC. Thats a possible foundation for an apprentice. I doubt the dev will write in a Dark Guy side kick regardless, but I still think her needs one.

Oh ok, gotcha now. You threw me when you mentioned Mason, and though I get where you're coming from with him now, I'm not sure I'm totally there, though I can kinda see it with his vulnerability and insecurity like you said. But yeah, Cassie could be like dark Guy in that sense as well.. I've also wondered if Cassie has ever been on the receiving end of Guy's uh.. 'antics' growing up, depending on how the player shapes him during play. Very interesting to think about regardless of how Neon chooses to do it.

 

[allanl9020142]

I doubt the dev will write in a Dark Guy side kick regardless, but I still think her needs one.

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[Joshy92]

Nicki is like the perfect girl for me. She likes video games and they are one of the few things I have an interest in so we are a perfect match.
I would love to play a three player game with her & Mason.

 

[Dessolos]

Nicki is like the perfect girl for me. She likes video games and they are one of the few things I have an interest in so we are a perfect match.
I would love to play a three player game with her & Mason.

so split screen halo 2

 

[Joshy92]

so split screen halo 2

After I cook a nice meal for my sweethearts. And at the end of the night we'll cuddle on the couch

 

[Dessolos]

After I cook a nice meal for my sweethearts. And at the end of the night we'll cuddle on the couch

I would give her some head pats as we cuddle before we fall asleep , then I imagine Nicki waking me up with a BJ then we make love and skip breakfast

 

[NewTricks]

Both versions of Guy have the same personality disorder. He is what is called a dark empath. He is capable of reflexive cognitive and affective empathy and relating to someone's emotional state (unlike a sociopath who is just faking it). He is not only able to act normal but to also be normative. However, he isn't capable of somatic empathy. That "punch to the gut" feeling is something he only feels for himself. It is almost as if he is the opposite of a psychopath and his cerebellum functions perfectly but there is something wrong with his limbic system. In some ways, this is a preferable personality type to someone with an antisocial personality disorder, but it is also considered to be the most dangerous personality type. Someone who is empathetic but can turn it off as easily as a light switch can be an extraordinarily perilous individual to deal with.

Here is how AI describes a dark empath. Tell me if any of it sounds familiar.

Dark empaths are people who may exhibit a range of behaviors that can be manipulative, vindictive, and emotionally intelligent:

• Manipulation - Dark empaths may use their ability to understand others' emotions to control situations or gain personal advantage. They may guilt trip, gaslight, or use sarcasm to get their way.
• Vindictiveness - Dark empaths may bully, gossip, or intimidate others. They may also talk about others behind their backs.
• Emotional intelligence - Dark empaths may be able to cognitively understand what others are feeling, but they may not experience the affective nature of those feelings. They may use this calculated empathy to manipulate others instead of genuinely caring for them.

Other traits of dark empaths include: Low self-worth and a need for validation, Struggles with anxiety or depression, Extroversion, and Confidence in their own abilities. Dark empaths may also seem humble and down on themselves, which can make it difficult to detect their qualities. However, their self-criticism may be more about wanting to improve than feeling remorse.

So the qualities that make Guy the worst also make him quite effective when it comes to running a charity. He isn't emotionally invested in personal outcomes but rather focuses on the efficacy of the action and therefore treats his donations like investments rather than charity. His ability to assess and understand what other people need can be used or misused and only the player gets to decide which version we get.

 

[Joshy92]

I don't know Guy seems pretty normal to me then again, I focus on the babes not him even though I do "insert" when playing games.

Besides if I'm being honest, I have some of those traits and I'm normal.

All that said I often wonder how different the story would be if I was the actual MC. What choices would I make and such.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Wait are you asking a AI to give you answers? That hardly inspires confidence given the nature of how much gibberish they make up.

 

[Machete]

He is capable of reflexive cognitive and affective empathy and relating to someone's emotional state (unlike a sociopath who is just faking it). He is not only able to act normal but to also be normative.

Other traits of dark empaths include: Low self-worth and a need for validation, Struggles with anxiety or depression, Extroversion, and Confidence in their own abilities. Dark empaths may also seem humble and down on themselves, which can make it difficult to detect their qualities. However, their self-criticism may be more about wanting to improve than feeling remorse.

Shit... i think i might have a problem...

 

[Joshy92]

I'll be honest I hate eating healthy but if Mason sat on the table, spread his legs and said 'eat you vegetables sir and you can eat me out for dessert' I would be shoving those things down my throat so fast I'd have to be careful not to choke.