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tldr; Almost 1150 renders completed. Currently working on Ashe's date scene. Her parents are a ton of fun to work with, and MC is finally wearing a suit. :'D

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And hey, here's a bonus young Ashe and more beach Gabby.

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GILFs are sadly unlikely. Like you said, I already have my hands full with the characters I have. o_O Plus, it just doesn't really appeal to me personally. That said, there's always the possibility I stumble across an older-looking Daz model and feel a ping of inspiration.
I thought so :HideThePain: No worries, of course, I love what's already there :D

Well, alright, then... he said no, ladies, so say goodbye.. :HideThePain:
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Ehhh it'll be pretty pronounced. But, I'll keep the previous version available as kind of a stand-alone thing.
Oh, damn... hm... so, will the patch author's super dark path(s) still make sense? Not that you're concerned w/ what the patch author does :sneaky: But there are a couple things to keep in mind (not to sound like I think I know better about designing a VN than you, so hope this doesn't come off wrong):
1) The huge range of reactions towards Nicki in chp 1 helps inform the player of the kind of game they're playing and what sorts of things they can expect.
2) The super dark path of Ashe (as well as other LIs) directly after Nicki makes sense because, from the player's perspective, they already got away with Nicki's "treatment", and so it makes sense they'd have a perspective shift on the world, from 'be cautious and act normal' to 'I can do w/e the fuck I want, it's a rich man's playground'. Although, maybe you can just kind of assume that anyways from the amount of time that has passed since chp 1, a sort of "behind the scenes" character development? Are you planning on maybe transferring some of Nicki's darker content to later chapters perhaps?

I totally get your wish to redo chp 1 and I agree that it will provide more believability and what not, I just hope it doesn't introduce another set of potential issues. Just my (probably unwarranted) thoughts :)

And also, random realization: When Nicki arrives at the player's condo, she makes it seem like her porn shoot escape just happened, as she mentions running until she recognizes buildings and then she says she happens upon your apartment complex and that's what prompted her decision to stop by. What I wanna know is... if Nicki didn't go through with anything at the porn shoot (or wasn't forced to..), why is her vagina sore in the bathroom if you decide to be a dick? :unsure: I get why she's sore everywhere else, she said they slapped her around and what not... but why her nethers? Either I'm missing something or she's not telling the whole story...

Personally, I always preferred the idea of her either going through with the porn shoot or being sexually assaulted... I think it's a natural conclusion for her vulnerable personality and the decisions she's made, and I think it also makes her story arc more poignant and the MC's romance with her even more bitter-sweet... a sort of darker version of 'Pretty Woman'. But, unfortunately, most players would probably just see her as undesirable sloppy seconds :(

EDIT: woah timing. I just wanted to add that Ashe's dad is perhaps a little comically large :D But maybe that's intention?
 

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tldr; Almost 1150 renders completed. Currently working on Ashe's date scene. Her parents are a ton of fun to work with, and MC is finally wearing a suit. :'D

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And hey, here's a bonus young Ashe and more beach Gabby.

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The saints preserve us! Ashe is what happens when an ogre fucks the princess. Her dad is built like a brick shithouse and her mom looks like a barbie doll.
 

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And also, random realization: When Nicki arrives at the player's condo, she makes it seem like her porn shoot escape just happened, as she mentions running until she recognizes buildings and then she says she happens upon your apartment complex and that's what prompted her decision to stop by. What I wanna know is... if Nicki didn't go through with anything at the porn shoot (or wasn't forced to..), why is her vagina sore in the bathroom if you decide to be a dick? :unsure: I get why she's sore everywhere else, she said they slapped her around and what not... but why her nethers? Either I'm missing something or she's not telling the whole story...
I was assuming it was just cause she wasn't turned on, so you're more or less fucking her dry. But it also makes sense that she might be downplaying what actually happened.
 

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In response to the informal poll question a few pages back. It's hard to say who my favorite character is, I don't think we know nearly enough about any one character to make that determination. Though Ashe is the current front runner for me. Great game though, I like the story mostly and there are quite a few models that are attractive. I look forward to actually getting to know the characters as the game progresses.

I can say though, Nikki and Gabbi are near the bottom for vastly different reasons. Gabbi is just a kid man, I genuinely feel horrible interacting with her in any other way besides being friendly. I'll be nice to her and that is it. Nikki, oh boy I hate her. I empathize with her situation, but what she did is unacceptable for me. I've sorta been in the MC's shoes in a similar situation. I was used by a girl I really liked and if she were to come back into my life today I would slam the door in her face.
 
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It's looking like my two favorite games, this and Midlife Crisis, are going to be releasing their next update right around the same time...

*Edit - Oh, and as far as the "who is best girl" conversation, it's definitely Gabby, no question.
 

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Oh, damn... hm... so, will the patch author's super dark path(s) still make sense? Not that you're concerned w/ what the patch author does :sneaky: But there are a couple things to keep in mind (not to sound like I think I know better about designing a VN than you, so hope this doesn't come off wrong):

And also, random realization: When Nicki arrives at the player's condo, she makes it seem like her porn shoot escape just happened, as she mentions running until she recognizes buildings and then she says she happens upon your apartment complex and that's what prompted her decision to stop by. What I wanna know is... if Nicki didn't go through with anything at the porn shoot (or wasn't forced to..), why is her vagina sore in the bathroom if you decide to be a dick? :unsure: I get why she's sore everywhere else, she said they slapped her around and what not... but why her nethers? Either I'm missing something or she's not telling the whole story...

EDIT: woah timing. I just wanted to add that Ashe's dad is perhaps a little comically large :D But maybe that's intention?
I don't want to get into it too much, but I don't anticipate latter chapters needing too much attention.

Here's the thing: when I started developing FiN, I was enamored with everything I could do, so I tended to go . Everything was cranked up to 11. People will be surprised when I release the initial draft of the first four chapters, and they see everything that was possible with Gabby, Madison, and other girls that you still can't go all the way with.. :whistle: It wasn't until I got a little feedback, and got deeper into the story, that I realized it paid off to take a more measured approach. I mean, I had a number of people basically writing Nicki off like, "Well where the hell can we go with her now, we've done everything!"

But, I don't intend to change Nicki's scene so you only get a blowjob, or something like that. On the contrary, I want to use what I've learned to expand the sex scenes, and make the paths really different. I was limited in the first chapter because, as people might recall, I wasn't doing the renders for that one. In order to make things easier for , I basically just made do with a few sex poses, and different expressions. I hand-drew a lot of elements into some of those renders, including drawing a whole new eyeball for Nicki at one point. :'D Low-tech solutions for my high-brow porno problems.

So, the new stuff will feature more diversity in terms of options, more diversity in the renders, and ultimately streamline certain story elements to make the story flow better. I think it'll be a vast improvement.

As for that bathroom scene, I had to look at the script. Unless I missed it elsewhere, it seems like the 'sore' aspect is only mentioned if you choose vaginal, and then go back to vaginal. So yeah, it's basically just saying you already fucked her hard, and she's feeling sore as a result.

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Also, this was the only time I've tried this type of sex menu, where returning to an option gives you new renders/text. I'm curious if people like that, or if they prefer to be able to replay a section of the sex menu. I'm still toying with this gimmick in some ways -- Pepper's upcoming scene has some reactive elements, for instance. But, I'd love to know if people prefer one type of menu to the other.

As for Ashe's dad -- yeah, he's just supposed to be a big motherfucker. There's another character (Trevor) in the chapter that also stretches credulity.

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Some people know I come from a background of traditional drawing, superhero comics, etc. So, I think it's fun to stretch reality a bit, and use characters' physical traits as shorthand for their personalities, either leaning into or subverting them. I'm not going for strict realism, it's more about what looks cool on the screen, and serves the story.

Gabby looks like a kewpie doll, because it makes her look more innocent/baby-faced - the irony being she desperately wants to be taken seriously as an adult. Brittani has an anatomically unlikely body for an eighteen year-old, and as a result she faces a level of sexualization and predatory behavior that she's unprepared to deal with. So, she and Gabby are facing opposite ends of the same problem. Ashe has a hips-to-shoulder ratio that is frankly ridiculous. Nicki's brown-orange eyes are a little unrealistic. And yeah, Trevor's seven feet tall and built like a scarecrow, and Ashe's dad looks like the Hulk. Why be constrained by reality when I've got a whole toolbox of weird shit to play with? :D

I can say though, Nikki and Gabbi are near the bottom for vastly different reasons. Gabbi is just a kid man, I genuinely feel horrible interacting with her in any other way besides being friendly. I'll be nice to her and that is it. Nikki, oh boy I hate her. I empathize with her situation, but what she did is unacceptable for me. I've sorta been in the MC's shoes in a similar situation. I was used by a girl I really liked and if she were to come back into my life today I would slam the door in her face.
I'll be curious to see what people think of Gabby's story as it develops. This next installment is big for her. Like I mentioned above, it's very intentional that she and Britt are peers, but one looks more petite/baby-faced and gets treated like a kid, while one is more developed and treated like an adult. A big part of Gabby's story is about trying to be taken seriously, and being realistic about how her relationship with MC will be perceived.

But, I also don't think there's anything wrong with just being buddies with Gabby. I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I have an idea for a good-aligned MC and friend-Gabby scene that I think will be a lot of fun. We got a little taste of Gabby playfully needling MC in Chapter Two, and I'd like to bring that energy back, and establish a surrogate dad/daughter, older brother/younger sister type of relationship for them.
 

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Brittani has an anatomically unlikely body for an eighteen year-old, and as a result she faces a level of sexualization and predatory behavior that she's unprepared to deal with.

Ashe has a hips-to-shoulder ratio that is frankly ridiculous.

And yeah, Trevor's seven feet tall and built like a scarecrow, and Ashe's dad looks like the Hulk.
Meh. I wouldn't worry about it. I've met people that fit these descriptions in life. Hell, a girl in my 8th grade class was already well on her way to Brittani's body type. That was rough for her. A buddy of mine meanwhile is a 6'10 slenderman. Nature does weirder shit than any fiction does.
 
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Also, this was the only time I've tried this type of sex menu, where returning to an option gives you new renders/text. I'm curious if people like that, or if they prefer to be able to replay a section of the sex menu. I'm still toying with this gimmick in some ways -- Pepper's upcoming scene has some reactive elements, for instance. But, I'd love to know if people prefer one type of menu to the other.
For me personally I prefer at least some sort of acknowledgment of what's come before, even if it's just text, along the lines of what you did in this scene. It makes it feel ever-so-slightly less gamey by not having things just repeat exactly the same over and over. But I also understand that's a lot of extra work so I don't blame devs when it is just the same thing again.
 

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I don't want to get into it too much, but I don't anticipate latter chapters needing too much attention.

Here's the thing: when I started developing FiN, I was enamored with everything I could do, so I tended to go . Everything was cranked up to 11. People will be surprised when I release the initial draft of the first four chapters, and they see everything that was possible with Gabby, Madison, and other girls that you still can't go all the way with.. :whistle: It wasn't until I got a little feedback, and got deeper into the story, that I realized it paid off to take a more measured approach. I mean, I had a number of people basically writing Nicki off like, "Well where the hell can we go with her now, we've done everything!"

But, I don't intend to change Nicki's scene so you only get a blowjob, or something like that. On the contrary, I want to use what I've learned to expand the sex scenes, and make the paths really different. I was limited in the first chapter because, as people might recall, I wasn't doing the renders for that one. In order to make things easier for , I basically just made do with a few sex poses, and different expressions. I hand-drew a lot of elements into some of those renders, including drawing a whole new eyeball for Nicki at one point. :'D Low-tech solutions for my high-brow porno problems.

So, the new stuff will feature more diversity in terms of options, more diversity in the renders, and ultimately streamline certain story elements to make the story flow better. I think it'll be a vast improvement.

As for that bathroom scene, I had to look at the script. Unless I missed it elsewhere, it seems like the 'sore' aspect is only mentioned if you choose vaginal, and then go back to vaginal. So yeah, it's basically just saying you already fucked her hard, and she's feeling sore as a result.

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Also, this was the only time I've tried this type of sex menu, where returning to an option gives you new renders/text. I'm curious if people like that, or if they prefer to be able to replay a section of the sex menu. I'm still toying with this gimmick in some ways -- Pepper's upcoming scene has some reactive elements, for instance. But, I'd love to know if people prefer one type of menu to the other.

As for Ashe's dad -- yeah, he's just supposed to be a big motherfucker. There's another character (Trevor) in the chapter that also stretches credulity.

View attachment 2504221

Some people know I come from a background of traditional drawing, superhero comics, etc. So, I think it's fun to stretch reality a bit, and use characters' physical traits as shorthand for their personalities, either leaning into or subverting them. I'm not going for strict realism, it's more about what looks cool on the screen, and serves the story.

Gabby looks like a kewpie doll, because it makes her look more innocent/baby-faced - the irony being she desperately wants to be taken seriously as an adult. Brittani has an anatomically unlikely body for an eighteen year-old, and as a result she faces a level of sexualization and predatory behavior that she's unprepared to deal with. So, she and Gabby are facing opposite ends of the same problem. Ashe has a hips-to-shoulder ratio that is frankly ridiculous. Nicki's brown-orange eyes are a little unrealistic. And yeah, Trevor's seven feet tall and built like a scarecrow, and Ashe's dad looks like the Hulk. Why be constrained by reality when I've got a whole toolbox of weird shit to play with? :D



I'll be curious to see what people think of Gabby's story as it develops. This next installment is big for her. Like I mentioned above, it's very intentional that she and Britt are peers, but one looks more petite/baby-faced and gets treated like a kid, while one is more developed and treated like an adult. A big part of Gabby's story is about trying to be taken seriously, and being realistic about how her relationship with MC will be perceived.

But, I also don't think there's anything wrong with just being buddies with Gabby. I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I have an idea for a good-aligned MC and friend-Gabby scene that I think will be a lot of fun. We got a little taste of Gabby playfully needling MC in Chapter Two, and I'd like to bring that energy back, and establish a surrogate dad/daughter, older brother/younger sister type of relationship for them.
Aw, damn, I've once again proven my memory is horrible :LOL: My bad... maybe all the gilf fantasies... can you catch Altzheimer's? :unsure:

I really appreciate the length and depth of the explanation, though, tyvm! :D That sounds really good actually and my worries are quelled.

On the menu, I think it's really cool adding more dialogue as you continue the scene, but at the same time, I don't know how many people actually utilize it. If you're not concerned with body count (heheh), then I'd say I like it personally. If someone happens to be on that scene in their 'final moments', might just make that last fap lap a little quicker :p

Honestly, I think my issue is something you couldn't do anything about without remodeling, so I maybe should've kept it to myself. I think the way 3d models are scaled don't quite match the actual bone structure/thickness of people that are actually that big. I think that's why it looks odd to my eye or something. But, again, nothing you can do anything about and I think the writing will bury that issue for me regardless :D
 
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