feel thats a main part of the story i dont see that changing tbh
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I have to say Nicki is my favourite character by far.
Heck I know this will have a harem path and that's probably the devs preferred option but my first playthrough will be exclusively Nicki.
Sorry Neon lol Nicki is just so awesome I don't want anyone else.
Heck I know this will have a harem path and that's probably the devs preferred option but my first playthrough will be exclusively Nicki.
Sorry Neon lol Nicki is just so awesome I don't want anyone else.
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And this comes down to my black and yellow and stars games argument. A story is a story because things do happen. If things don't happen, the story is boring as fuck.
It's one of the reasons why in the lates years the majority of Hollywood movies flop. To be politically correct they cast so called minorities, but if anything happens to minority characters in movies, they are *ist and *fobes, so, to play safe, nothing really bad can happen to the MC and the movie is boring as fuck.
So, we get a game where MC got played but a stupid cunt and we get pissed by that? It means it's a good game and we are getting involved.
Otherwise if all the chicks come up, look at MC with puppy eyes and duckfaces, hug him and tell him all the time what a wonderful men he is, we get very yellow and black and stars and the game is boring as fuck.
I get what you're saying, but you can make a very good story without making the player feel bad. Especially if it's a porn game where da feel-good-s is even more important. For example, I really really don't care for humor in a porn game because those two lanes of emotions are not connected in my mind at all. Same in here. Sure, the character like Nicki is good for storytelling, and would be a nice read for some people, but in a porn game, I don't think it works.
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Indeed, i agree. But that doesn't mean that a story is bad for making you feel bad. Sometimes stories are meant to make you feel bad, sometimes to provide perspective, sometimes to give a stronger catharsis. Honestly i find odd and a bit unsettling the approach 'this story has to change because it makes me feel bad'. I mean, everyone has the right not to like or enjoy a story or anything else, but we need to respect the story itself. We can say 'we don't like it, it's a shit story' but wanting to have it changed is kinda weird.
While others might have, I didn't ever say that the dev needs to change anything. My first words were that the game is well done, and the story is technically well written and way above like 90% of others because of the good writing. I was also very clear from the beginning that it's all just my personal opinion on the matter. I also don't think the dev should change because a vocal minority as it always.
My whole deal was to give the reasons why I felt put off by the storyline of one character, because sometimes devs or authors can be blind to what the players see or feel. And what you said about the future payoff, sure, I agree, but certain topics and themes just don't fit a porn game because they poison "the horny", in my opinion. That's at least what happened to me.
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As usual, i was speaking in general. I never meant to attack you or question your take on the game, which i respect. I just wanted to say my two cents about respecting a creative work for how it was meant to be by the author (which, of course, people is free not to like). It's a very disturbing trend of recent years the idea of 'correct' creative works for 'modern sesitivities' either remaking or altering the original work. That's what despotisms and bigotisms do.
No harm done, I said it just in case someone got mad. And while I don't develop my game anymore because I caught the writing bug, I can definitely relate to the hostile forces that are out there against current creative work. My own theory is that its a lot more sinister, the reason of it, but who knows.
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Next update will show some path divergence for Viola, and possibly Nicki if you make certain choices. But, at this point the player's already made the choices that will cause those divergences. The Brittani and Gabby stuff will come later.So is this all for the next update or the "road ahead" plans for those four possible love interests?
It's always been my plan to have Gabby change her hair up a lot as the game progresses. It's just kinda hard when the game takes place largely in one-day increments. But, I'm planning to have a brief time-jump soon, at which point I might give her some new hair. I don't know if I'll go with that one exactly, because I see Gabby's decision to embrace her natural/curly hair as a direct response to her break-up with Jamie. I'll likely put it to a poll on Patreon/SubStar.Wow, Gabby actually looking good with this hairstyle
Will she actually have that look going forward ?
Some element of that kind of has to stay in there - mainly that she disappears for a while with Vaughn/Florida Man. Because doing an untattooed Nicki for every image she appears in would be.. Tough.
What I might change is the option to give Nicki money, and how that affects her life over that three-month gap. It'll likely be something like: MC gives Nicki the money, and she still winds up in a financial hole due to Brent, but she never gets involved with the local photographer, never ends up at the surprise porn shoot, and never arrives at MC's place tear-streaked and wearing a schoolgirl costume. Instead she just shows up having completed her 'work' in Florida, wanting to reconnect with MC and repay him the money he loaned her. I think it'd give some extra weight to the first big choice of the game, and it wouldn't require a ton of writing around it.
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Well, her arriving "at MC's place tear-streaked and wearing a schoolgirl costume" is what makes her comeback so good and impactful storywise.
Very sad to hear you won't remove the tattoos.
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Personally tattoos are sweet as hell. Nikki not liking hers makes sense, given the story, but I'll never understand the anti tattoo rhetoric. Self expression is cool. Also just aesthetically speaking they're nice to look at imo.
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Nicki's tattoos are part of her story. They represent her past mistakes and how she struggles to face their consequences. Those mistakes left signs on her, just like those tattoos that she got because of them. She never wanted them but she's stuck with them, and they are a constant reminder of her mistakes every time she see herself in the mirror.
I like the parallelisms and the symbolism.
Kudos to NeonGhosts for the way you have portrayed Nicki. It is clearly evident to me as so many of the folks here have expressed comments (pro and con) about Nicki.
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Yeah...One thing noone can fight is she is a well written character... people either love her or hate her by the "choices" she made... He made a character that everyone that plays has an opinion, good or bad, but either way it stirs up feelings one way or another... I personally think Nicki was broken with the first episode and it caused the downward spiral that you can either send her further down, or decide to help her and show her that she should have picked you from the jump.
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This way the character of Nicki gets a huge dumb down. Her story is very interesting the way it is and it perfectly work with the theme of the game. Is it about your previous announcement to have to purge the game from the most controversial elements? (fucking, bigot 2020's, they killed storytelling). Otherwise would you consider to obtain that path by an optional content filter at the beginning of the game?
I haven't enjoyed VNs in a long time really tbh BUT I like this one. Finally you have CHOICES from being nice all the way to being dark. Last time I enjoyed that was with 'Goons raid her'. And all the different paths one has are fun to explore and I don't even mind it doesn't have animated scenes. Usually I only go for fully animated stuff as well but here I don't even mind that!
Keep up the great artistic work and can't wait for Season 4 conclusion and Season 5!!
Keep up the great artistic work and can't wait for Season 4 conclusion and Season 5!!
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Nah, this would be unrelated to the decision to split the game into SubStar/Patreon versions.
I'm not 100% sold on the idea of doing it, but I think it'd be useful from a storytelling perspective. Right now, Nicki winds up in deep trouble no matter what you do. I think that giving the player the option to make a tangible difference would illustrate the moral decisions = consequences nature of the story.
Thanks so much!