VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Ch. 9 v0.60c] [NeonGhosts]

[Dessolos]

I have had a theory for a while now that the season final will be Cassie showing up and then the screen goes black.

yeah I been thinking that for awhile too to be honest. Would make a perfect cliffhanger even tho people tend to dislike cliffhangers like that

 

[Joshy92]

yeah I been thinking that for awhile too to be honest. Would make a perfect cliffhanger even tho people tend to dislike cliffhangers like that

I was thinking dude could you imagine a friends in need tv show?
I bet some really hot person would play Mason. I would have to be careful not to get cum on my TV screen when jacking off.

 

[Dessolos]

I was thinking dude could you imagine a friends in need tv show?
I bet some really hot person would play Mason. I would have to be careful not to get cum on my TV screen when jacking off.

Honestly I always secretly thought to myself I wish there was some actual tv shows that was also porn that had real acting and story etc and not just porn acting. Something like Friends in Need would be great for something that.

 

[Joshy92]

Honestly I always secretly thought to myself I wish there was some actual tv shows that was also porn that had real acting and story etc and not just porn acting. Something like Friends in Need would be great for something that.

The closest I have seen is jav porn where we get about thirty minutes of plot before the sex starts not that I can understand what they say lol.
That's also where I got my love of seing girls spit and drool into each other's mouths.

Could you imagine some of these babes doing that?

 

[varage]

I will say the panty theft kinda threw me. lol Very anime nerd of him.

 

[TRKaiser]

Avns levels must be trash if this dreck pass as good writing

 

[Ernatio D]

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letting this sink in

Yeah, that shit was yikes. But it seems

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[NeonGhosts]

I was wondering is chapter ten going to be the season final or you haven't decided yet?

Nah, it’ll go a bit longer. I could end it there.. But, I think it’ll end around Chapter 12 or 14. I kind of want to get to a point where most of the characters have their relationship trajectories established. That way, in Season 2 it’s less about figuring out where you stand with a girl, and more about solidifying that relationship.

Right now, Nicki’s basically set. Ashe is about 90% there. Gabby and Brittani will be pretty soon. Viola, Mason, and Risa a little after that.

If I could get all those relationships firmed up/locked in before the end of Season One, that’d be ideal.

 

[Dessolos]

Nah, it’ll go a bit longer. I could end it there.. But, I think it’ll end around Chapter 12 or 14. I kind of want to get to a point where most of the characters have their relationship trajectories established. That way, in Season 2 it’s less about figuring out where you stand with a girl, and more about solidifying that relationship.

Right now, Nicki’s basically set. Ashe is about 90% there. Gabby and Brittani will be pretty soon. Viola, Mason, and Risa a little after that.

If I could get all those relationships firmed up/locked in before the end of Season One, that’d be ideal.

Honestly I can't wait to see how Risa's relationship is going to work out to get officially established. Especially cause of her father. In one update you made her the most interesting character to me I can pretty much say I think she might as well be my favorite now which says alot cause I like Nicki alot. But ever since I played the update I keep finding myself thinking about Risa as a character , where her story is going even made up fake scenario's / scenes I would like to see in my head on and off. That is something not many LI have managed to do to me. Only something like 10 LI including Risa has managed to do that to me not even Nicki and I like Nicki alot.

As always thanks for making this wonderful game and can't wait for the next update

 

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[Joshy92]

Nah, it’ll go a bit longer. I could end it there.. But, I think it’ll end around Chapter 12 or 14. I kind of want to get to a point where most of the characters have their relationship trajectories established. That way, in Season 2 it’s less about figuring out where you stand with a girl, and more about solidifying that relationship.

Right now, Nicki’s basically set. Ashe is about 90% there. Gabby and Brittani will be pretty soon. Viola, Mason, and Risa a little after that.

If I could get all those relationships firmed up/locked in before the end of Season One, that’d be ideal.

If you are able to get this on Steam eventually it will take pride of place among my collection.
Anyway I like that you're going to separate them by seasons because it makes it sound like a TV show.

Honestly I can't wait to see how Risa's relationship is going to work out to get officially established. Especially cause of her father. In one update you made her the most interesting character to me I can pretty much say I think she might as well be my favorite now which says alot cause I like Nicki alot. But ever since I played the update I keep finding myself thinking about Risa as a character , where her story is going even made up fake scenario's / scenes I would like to see in my head on and off. That is something not many LI have managed to do to me. Only something like 10 LI including Risa has managed to do that to me not even Nicki and I like Nicki alot.

As always thanks for making this wonderful game and can't wait for the next update

I like Risa but she won't ever overtake Mason & Nicki. In fact Mason is my second favourite LI in AVN history.

 

[flame13th]

I honestly enjoy this game because you can be a good guy, but still be a dick with some people.

 

[Dessolos]

If you are able to get this on Steam eventually it will take pride of place among my collection.
Anyway I like that you're going to separate them by seasons because it makes it sound like a TV show.

I like Risa but she won't ever overtake Mason & Nicki. In fact Mason is my second favourite LI in AVN history.

Yeah I hear you on Nicki I'm sure I'll change my mind next update where we get Nicki content. To me Nicki and Risa are so close to one another the only reason I can say I like Risa more right now is cause this update is so fresh that I can't stop thinking about what's next for Risa's story and what scenes id love to see. So im sure in about 2 weeks or so when the hype dies down id consider them tied haha. Tho I will say I think I do like Risa's story most out of anyone right now.

Tbh I never been into Mason just not for me but maybe i'll try Mason's content in the next 1-2 Mason updayes just to see if I feel the same. I do dislike accepting the BJ as it does feel like im taking advantage , which is why I want to wait an update or 2 with Mason content before I try it out.

 

[Joshy92]

Yeah I hear you on Nicki I'm sure I'll change my mind next update where we get Nicki content. To me Nicki and Risa are so close to one another the only reason I can say I like Risa more right now is cause this update is so fresh that I can't stop thinking about what's next for Risa's story and what scenes id love to see. So im sure in about 2 weeks or so when the hype dies down id consider them tied haha. Tho I will say I think I do like Risa's story most out of anyone right now.

Tbh I never been into Mason just not for me but maybe i'll try Mason's content in the next 1-2 Mason updayes just to see if I feel the same. I do dislike accepting the BJ as it does feel like im taking advantage , which is why I want to wait an update or 2 with Mason content before I try it out.

At first I didn't know if I would like every LI but there isn't a single one so far that I don't want to romance one way or another.
As you know I love romance stuff and I can't wait for that to start with Mason. I would love to take him on a date, buy him flowers and hold his hand.

 

[Dessolos]

At first I didn't know if I would like every LI but there isn't a single one so far that I don't want to romance one way or another.
As you know I love romance stuff and I can't wait for that to start with Mason. I would love to take him on a date, buy him flowers and hold his hand.

Yeah even the characters im not interested in as a LI I love them as characters because Neon has done a good job in making them likeable characters where I want to see how their story progresses. The only character I actually hate is Isabella not sure if she is a secondary LI or just maybe someone that will be a one night stand once in awhile. Hell even tho I hate Isabella as a character I do like the writing of her story and character plus she is connected to Brittani so it's gonna some good story telling. I can already see Neon maybe adding something like Isabella roleplaying and pretending to be her daughter while Guy has sex with her.

 

[ename144]

I'll be honest, I'd have liked to reply to everything.. But, that was a lot. And you did give me a tldr, so let's start there. I don't agree that it's on rails, more than any other VN. I mean, less than most, really. You can choose how to approach Lucien, how to handle Cherry's presence there, how to handle the situation once you're clear of the place, where to take Risa after the events of the morning, how to handle her/change your relationship with her, and finally whether or not you want to engage with her plotline at all. So. I'm not seeing the rails, besides that you went to a place and met a guy you didn't like.

Kid gloves? Well.. I'm not sure how that's the case. See above reply. People seem convinced I'm trying to make Risa into an innocent princess, and that's just.. Not so. She has a bad side, and a sympathetic side. That's all. The fact is, Risa is a fuck-up. That's.. Kind of the nature of drug abusers. I have a brother who abused drugs for over 20 years. Over the course of my life he's lied to me, borrowed money under false pretenses with zero intention of repaying me, and even stole painkillers I had prescribed to me, following a surgery. A habitual fuck-up, not dissimilar from Risa. But, he's always had his good side, too. It's just that his positives became muted when he was using.

MC straight-up says it when confronting her dad. Paraphrasing: She's flawed, but she's a good person.

A huge part of the game is that everyone has in them the potential to be made better. Guy and Nicki were always people with skills that could benefit others, but they were stuck in their shitty convenience store jobs, due to circumstance. Ashe was always smart, but it wasn't until she was given the opportunity to prove it, that she did so. Gabby could and should be working on her art, but instead she's chained to the family business. On and on. So, it stands to reason that Risa, given the right guidance and opportunity, could do more.

As for lack of focus.. Eh, maybe! I mean, it's a big, serial story. It's always been kind of the nature of the thing to wander here or there. I could tell you that I know how the pieces are supposed to align, and that each character's plotline is a step towards the next story point. But, stuff happens. I never really intended for certain plotlines to drag out or resolve as quickly as they did. There's things I'd like to go back and shore up, and things I'd like to clarify. The rework of Chapter One will ameliorate some of that. The rest will have to wait until Season One is wrapped up, and I can address some broader deficiencies. A big one for me is just.. Pacing. If everything over the last nine chapters took place over the span of a month, rather than a week and a half, that'd help shore up some deficiences in certain relationships. I kinda boned myself by putting Gabby's dad in jail, and not getting him out sooner. Instead I kept kicking the can down the road, to add other stuff.

Again.. Stuff happens. I don't have the benefit of sitting down and editing and refining for months. I write it, code it, and render it, all in the span of four months or so. Not making excuses, just explaining. Okay, quick lightning round replies.

Lucien - I mean, you say it's a disaster, but you also ended the interaction wanting to destroy him, and wondering why you now had to sit through other, more tedious interactions. So, it seems kinda successful, on that level. I understand where you're coming from, but follow my logic. A concerned MC has tried to help Cherry, and been unsuccessful. He's tried to call the cops, who found the place abandoned. Now, all he has is Risa, his one link to the place, who's incapable of being any real help at the moment. What's he going to do, besides wait and strategize?

Carl - Your main objection seems to be that he's a thinly-drawn caricature of a rich elitist. And.. That's really not far off. But, he's also not really wrong. Look at all the people in this thread, who have said Ashe would be nothing without Guy's job offer. If that's true, then the same thing applies to Guy. He didn't earn his wealth. He just got lucky. Now, does it matter to Mr. Rhodenbarr that Guy's since gone on to do good, proving himself smart and capable? Not really. Why would it? He's still just a gambler. And, he circumvented Risa's normal route home, even if he was unaware he was doing it. Hell, he brought Risa into a drug den! Why wouldn't Carl hate this guy's fucking guts, and waste no time in trying to talk down to him and drive him off?

But, despite his antipathy for Guy, it should be noted that he does actually care about his daughter. It's just a completely toxic kind of care. Risa's made mistakes, but she outright states that constantly being squeezed by her family apparatus, contributed to her relapse. Carl's built a golden cage for his prized daughter, where nothing can get in to hurt her, but nor can she get out. Her life isn't her own, so is it any surprise she'd seize on drugs, just to escape from her reality for a while?

Even beside that, I think he has a little more depth than you say. You can see his persona as a corporate raider, captain of industry type break, when Guy approaches Carl in a more conciliatory manner. He's no longer angry, and he just looks like a tired old man.

Risa - I'm going to brush past story-necessary stuff. You've made it clear you just don't really like the direction of this development, so that is what it is. I'll just focus on the whole thing of how Guy responds to Risa. So, there's the three basic routes -- side with Lucien, side with Risa, or just try to ignore the whole situation and go home. So, you've got some freedom there.

Now, onto the general tenor of the interaction, as you seem to want some comeuppance for Risa. Let's assume a Dark Guy who only pretends to help Risa will just tell her whatever he needs to, to earn her trust. So, I see no reason for him to berate her. A Corrupt Guy who doesn't really care will just wash his hands of all this and go home. So, that leaves Good Guy.

Good Guy does get angry and demand answers, as you say. What is he realistically supposed to say to Risa, after she just broke down into angry tears? Will it do any good to tell her she's a dumb fuck-up stoner loser? I mean, she said all that herself, already. She's aware. From a character standpoint, I don't know why a Good Guy would just continue to shit on her.

And from a story standpoint.. Why would that be interesting? We've seen her at a high and at a low. We've agreed to help her. She's being given the chance to prove herself. Wouldn't it be more interesting for her and Guy to grow closer, and then maybe she backslides and fucks up, and Guy has to have the come-to-Jesus talk, where he explains that he won't let her be a liability? At that point, the choice of tough love v.s. just tough v.s. pushover gets a little more interesting.

Pepper - I mean.. If you're skipping the webcam stuff, you're skipping a substantial part of her story. Don't know what to tell you, there. You'll eventually get to a point where her story gets a little more interesting, but skipping that stuff for now is going to limit her content for a bit.

General thoughts.. I dunno, man! I think that you were kind of dead-set on hating the chapter ahead of time, so I'm not surprised you came to the conclusion you hated it. Do I wish it was otherwise? Sure. But, you seem to have taken up the position it was always going to be bad.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but looking at most of your recent posts in here, it's just a lot of, "Neon's fucked up, Neon's fucked up, he's really fucked up this time, game's doomed, oh no, it's all over, if only he'd listened to us.."

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I appreciate your taking the time to reply at all. I'll likewise try [with questionable results] to keep my replies brief since I think we're reaching a point of diminishing returns for my feedback: I'm pretty clearly more than a standard deviation away from the target audience. So I hope you don't mind if I rearrange your replies a bit to respond to them out of order.

As far as railroading, the issue isn't a strictly linear narrative, it's a question of what the choices we get allow us to change. Specifically, it's the "engage with her plotline at all" option that that causes problems because AFAICT, Risa's plot is inextricably linked to Lucien, and - for better or for worse - Lucien is just too big to ignore. That elevates Risa position where I can't really consider her optional anymore. It's a Hobson's choice: pretend I like Risa, or pretend I'm not disturbed by what Lucien is doing. I don't want to do either of those!

Now, if Risa is meant to be a pivotal character in the story, then this is ultimately a 'me' problem. (Maybe this is what you were referring to when you mention pacing problems; Risa was supposed to be that close to the MC, but we never got a chance to see it.) It would basically be the big Nicki debate all over again, except this time I'm on the side that dislikes the LI. But my impression is that Risa wasn't supposed to be a major structural element of the game, which suggests that something has gone at least a little haywire.

Anyway, on to the particulars.

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I'm trying to think of a way to say this without being an asshole, but: it's not my job to listen to my audience. I build it. They come. (Wokka, wokka!) If I listened to my audience, the game would be called Brittani's Fat Titties, and every chapter would be Guy deciding which of his 11 beautiful Brittani clones he wanted to fuck that day.

I would quibble with the way you phrased that, Neon. It is absolutely the job of an author to listen to the audience; that's the only way to learn how your art functions outside the confines of your own head. That does not mean, however, that an author needs to act on the audience's feedback, or even agree with it. But I do think you need to listen.

Which, just be clear, you have been doing consistently. I think you sometimes take the comments a little more personally than is warranted (though I appreciate it's a hell of a lot easier for me to say that when I'm on this side of the pen), but I give you full marks for listening.

 

[Jaffa55]

Avns levels must be trash if this dreck pass as good writing

It's not dreck though this game is better than at least 70% of the trash I find on here. Neon is one of the best writers on here, he's up there with DrPinkCake imo.

 

[Dessolos]

It's not dreck though this game is better than at least 70% of the trash I find on here. Neon is one of the best writers on here, he's up there with DrPinkCake imo.

he isn't worth the time he is a troll at this point he complained for a few days trying to derail the thread into a NTR conversation before saying how he deleted the game over a scene in the update but still comes to this thread once in awhile . Which Neon is making said scene optional in a future update anyways.

 

[The the Guy]

Hm, I checked the walkthrough and there supposedly is a sex scene with Risa in her father's house room. And yet, even though I did what the walkthrough said and even tried the opposite route through the diner to see, it doesn't seem to trigger. Any idea on how to trigger it, or is it due to the error that pops up just where it should be:

did you ever figure this out?

 

[abgazil]

Nah, it’ll go a bit longer. I could end it there.. But, I think it’ll end around Chapter 12 or 14. I kind of want to get to a point where most of the characters have their relationship trajectories established. That way, in Season 2 it’s less about figuring out where you stand with a girl, and more about solidifying that relationship.

Right now, Nicki’s basically set. Ashe is about 90% there. Gabby and Brittani will be pretty soon. Viola, Mason, and Risa a little after that.

If I could get all those relationships firmed up/locked in before the end of Season One, that’d be ideal.

Is Madison only going to feature later or is she not a main girl?