Ragnar

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I understand, and I try to take this stuff in stride. But, most of this stuff doesn't feel like engagement with the story. Like, this chapter gave people some interesting stuff (I think) to speculate on, and theorize on. Cherry, Lucien, Pepper, Markus, Carl, Trevor, Kara.. There's stuff there to interrogate and question character motives and such.

But instead, people want to nit-pick about why I didn't write an entirely different story. It feels like the Cinema Sins brand of media engagement, where people just want to, "Gotcha!" the author.



This is really the thing. Like.. I've been doing this shit for two years now, and still every decision I make gets second-guessed, and people demand detailed responses to explain myself. Should I just spoil the next several chapters? Oh, but then my explanations wouldn't actually cover every single path and iteration of the game, so people would still nitpick little details left unexplained.

Like, someone was questioning, several pages back, why I'd suddenly introduce Lucien in Chapter 8. Rewind to Ashe's short story, and oh hey, I actually set up him, and his motivation, in June of 2023! Shit, it's like I actually consider some of this stuff!

Or hey! Remember when Guy was talking to Maya like four chapters ago, and he explained a good guy is only as good as their bad guy? Shit, maybe I was foreshadowing something! Who can say!


I'm not saying it's perfect. The game's a work-in-progress, and sometimes I make errors and need to back up and nudge dialogue or events back into place. But, a lot of the stuff people want to pick at, is just stuff that hasn't been explained yet.



Criminal elements have been a part of the game since literally Chapter One. Like, literally the very first installment of the game, when Nicki hinted towards a predatory loanshark bothering her and Brent. I could sit here and explain how every girl's plotline brushes up against drugs and coercive sex work, but I'll spare myself.



I appreciate the thought you put into this comment, but I can't hit every point. So, I'll take the broad strokes. I think Guy has shown, over the course of the story, to be a little bit of a man-of-action. It depends on how people want to play him, but he's a bit of a risk-taker that'll go shadow a famous photographer on a lark. He'll walk down dark alleys. He'll confront people like Markus, Jamie, or Erik that he views as bullying people or disrespecting him. In this chapter, we see him get a gun shoved in his face, and he doesn't have a strong reaction to it. I don't think he's entirely unprepared for challenges.

Now, to speak broadly to the idea that this current challenge is at odds with the overall tone of the story, or Guy's ability to meet it.. I've never been shy about taking a lot of inspiration from comic books. One thing about comics, is that they tend to give the hero challenges that are strongly correlated to their expertise.

This is a world where sex, money, desperation, and exploitation is the main focal point. So, why would our hero not have an enemy whose main trade is sexually exploiting desperate people for money?
I said before that Lucien is a great character, also the story needs bad guys of course. We're helping people through tough shit not with their laundry.
I think some people don't like Lucien for the same reason they don't like Nikki. Lucien fucks girls and having anyone but the MC fucking anyone in avns is a big no no for some. Same goes for "impure" girls.
Just remember that you can't please everyone. At the end of the day this is your story and you should write it your way.
 

Ottoeight

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In terms of story and dialogues this is one of the best F95 VNs by far. BY FAR.

And yet some people have the nerve to come and start lecturing the Author about how he's supposed to write his work.

This is fucking crazy. Totally insane.


My only real concern about this game is that it has too many main girls. The scope of this project is way too wide.
 

Anteron

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Who lied to you about this being a porn game?
It's an AVN which is mean = Adult Visual Novel.
Means it's a game that has an adult aspect to it, could be blackmail ,rape kidnap , killing , porn or anything in between .
Yeah, other than porn and rape, that's like the vast majority of games not for children out there. No porn AVNs would totally suck. And wouldn't belong here. No games like GTA and such here or similar sites, unless a porn parody version.
 

Machete

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Yeah, other than porn and rape, that's like the vast majority of games not for children out there. No porn AVNs would totally suck. And wouldn't belong here. No games like GTA and such here or similar sites, unless a porn parody version.
There are a bunch of games around here with no porn content.
 

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In terms of story and dialogues this is one of the best F95 VNs by far. BY FAR.

And yet some people have the nerve to come and start lecturing the Author about how he's supposed to write his work.

This is fucking crazy. Totally insane.


My only real concern about this game is that it has too many main girls. The scope of this project is way too wide.
The writing in this game Is shit lmao.
 

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Yeah, other than porn and rape, that's like the vast majority of games not for children out there. No porn AVNs would totally suck. And wouldn't belong here. No games like GTA and such here or similar sites, unless a porn parody version.
Well there are many good AVN games that have great story and don't only focus on the MC fucking every female character he encounters...
 

Anteron

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Well there are many good AVN games that have great story and don't only focus on the MC fucking every female character he encounters...
True, but without ANY porn if they are here, they're going to piss a lot of people off. There are a couple where the dev obviously HATES sex, like AWAM, but most do indeed have sex scenes. I mean, this one obvious has them, it just has some content lots of people don't like, but it sounds like it should be avoidable.
 
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Dessolos

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The writing in this game Is shit lmao.
That's your own personal opinion. I'm of the opinion the writing of the stories of Nicki , Ashe ( maybe Risa need to play the update) are above average and better than alot of other LI ive encounter in many other AVN's. Now this is from a light path pov. I don't like the dark path really much at all, that's where the writing shows it's cracks to me and starts to make less sense and is clearly about a fantasy for the players to enjoy and less so about a story
 

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I also pretend I'm the mc when playing these games. That might be why I don't want to rape the girls or stuff like that because I wouldn't do it in real life.
I tend to play from my own first person too, for the most part. Well, it would be way less complicated and more freeing if I were more like you, tho :LOL: I could share without having to worry about the ol' "ummm, are you an actual fucking psychopath?" card :ROFLMAO:

For me personally, I'd be lying if I said the dark or corruption routes weren't expressions of power fantasies for me. I have a hard time imagining what else they could possibly be, really, in a porn VN. And the writing of the LIs can definitely make them feel real, adds tons more layers to the choices. But, I also can't help but be fully aware that they're not real. And that's the switch that kicks it into motion for me, I guess.

I cringe at a few things for sure, especially as the story progresses and I get more and more attached to the characters. But I don't particularly feel bad, bad or anything when I make an evil choice. But I totally understand people who do. I think they're both perfectly normal responses, just slightly different brain software running.

Well reasoned out. And bonus points for referring to Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines, my favourite game of all time.

In my view, up until the drug den update the game has mostly been a slice of life. Even with the dark path it's been fairly laid-back and chill, mostly focussed on MC and the girls. Mostly it's been a case of x girl has external problem y and MC can choose to help z1 or take advantage z2, with some variations inbetween. But now it's been put into a crime thriller with antagonists which seem incompatable with the previous formula. Risa doesn't have a problem MC can choose to fix, she has given him a problem. Even if the problem becomes something that can be wrapped up reasonably quickly (in the sense of a few chapters of story, not actual time) you can't go back. The tone and feeling of the AVN is different now.
I can see where you're coming from, but can't plenty of story setups feel like slice-of-life really? Up until certain plot elements start to come into the forefront, I mean. From a story perspective, you have to give proper background to the pieces that will be in play, characters etc., or it's difficult for the player to give a shit or even understand what's happening. From a porn perspective (which tbh is the primary lens I view it from), the various LIs are kind of.. "making their case", so to speak, for the player to choose them; what's interesting about them, what kind of sex are they into, what can the MC give to them to make them happy, and so on.

EDIT: btw guys, careful not to feed the obvious trolls lol not talking about the ppl I'm responding to, but there's at least one around here that isn't even trying to hide it. just let them cry into silence like they deserve :devilish:
 
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Should i download and play the latest update or wait? im not sure if its a complete update or not..
 

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the fact that the dev will remake the first chapters to explain better the entire nicki storyine and add some semlance of a character to the mc? or the fact that every single bad thing revolves about sexual abuse coercion?
I think the main reason he's reworking Nicki is that the interation have proven very controversial. A reason more why i would have kept it the way it is, but who am i?
 

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Should i download and play the latest update or wait? im not sure if its a complete update or not..
It's a beta update and it's missing a few things. Even if you play it, do not overwrite your main save. You'll get errors on that save file when you play the full update.
 
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I feel like the stakes got so much higher. Suddenly it's not about helping or "helping" people down on their luck, it's about taking down a criminal organization. This isn't a task for a single guy, no matter how well-trained he is, or how many guns he has. It's a job for a group of professionals and it takes a long time.
Unless the writer plans the Guy hiring people to do this work, I don't foresee this staying grounded.
Also, the Bad Guy will be allowed to join them, right? It would only make sense.
 

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Criminal elements have been a part of the game since literally Chapter One. Like, literally the very first installment of the game, when Nicki hinted towards a predatory loanshark bothering her and Brent. I could sit here and explain how every girl's plotline brushes up against drugs and coercive sex work, but I'll spare myself.
They have been, I'm not disputing that. But up until this point they've always had a degree of separation from the MC. They have been in other character's backstory, or the events have happened elsewhere and been relayed to the MC. I don't see why you can't understand that this fundamentally changes things. It doesn't even have to be a bad thing, but it certainly changes the tone of the AVN.

I get that you're getting a lot of criticism that you think is unwarranted, I'm not trying to give you grief. I just want to articulate my thoughts on an AVN that I consider one of the best and amongst my favourites.

At the end of the day this is a discussion board, we're all here to talk about these AVNs, that includes people who might have more negative things to say than positive.
 

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so... all i´m reading the last couple of pages is about risa. So i guess there is no Brittani content in this update and this statement isn´t accurate anymore? huh.JPG

or did i just miss an update?
 
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