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Honestly I can handle that stuff if the MC isn't the one doing it. I still play that path in this game but in a limited way. Since I played the good path I know the writing is good. So I just want to read the dialogue and context and see what consequences the MC will have on it. So I will ctrl skip past all the dark lewd scenes. But if I played the Dark path first I 100% would of dropped this game
I don't mind that there are things like that in the game either. I actually welcome them if they add depth and shades of gray to a story where things aren't always as clear cut as we like to believe. But I'm uncomfortable doing really dark things as the MC, and never for kicks. Not my kink.

I may try a little less nice goody twoshoes playthrough though. I mean, why wouldn't I accept sex from a grateful girl? Or push a little for her to put out? Or peek on her in the shower? We'll see. :)
 

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I don't mind that there are things like that in the game either. I actually welcome them if they add depth and shades of gray to a story where things aren't always as clear cut as we like to believe. But I'm uncomfortable doing really dark things as the MC, and never for kicks. Not my kink.

I may try a little less nice goody twoshoes playthrough though. I mean, why wouldn't I accept sex from a grateful girl? Or push a little for her to put out? Or peek on her in the shower? We'll see. :)
Yeah I draw the line if my MC is doing dark things at least if the dark actions are of a sexual nature it's to much. I can do dark things if it's something like for example having my MC kill off a LI or whatever if that ever became a option. But the sexual stuff no problem if those things are done to the LI by another character just not my MC tho then it becomes another can of worms you dont want to open. Pretty much only reason I play that path in a limited way is to satisfy my curiosity ive never seen any dark lewd scene past the first dark scene even tho I played that path.
 

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Yeah I draw the line if my MC is doing dark things at least if the dark actions are of a sexual nature it's to much. I can do dark things if it's something like for example having my MC kill off a LI or whatever if that ever became a option. But the sexual stuff no problem if those things are done to the LI by another character just not my MC tho then it becomes another can of worms you dont want to open. Pretty much only reason I play that path in a limited way is to satisfy my curiosity ive never seen any dark lewd scene past the first dark scene even tho I played that path.
Killing a LI. :eek: Yeah, something like that would really depend on the game and some very careful set up and writing from the dev.
I think we are pretty much the same here, awful stuff can happen to people in a story, I just don't want to be the one who does them. Especially not things involving sex.
Consensual stuff is obviously another matter, but not really into the heavy things there either. But that's a question of kinks, not morals.
 

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That’s a scene where Guy is having dreams about all the girls, after falling asleep while watching his orc show. To get it, just go to the couch and watch TV after Ashe’s date. I’m eventually going to rearrange some stuff in that chapter to let people do multiple actions in one night, but for now that’s the only way to see it.
That would be nice, but i think that having to choose and not be able to get everything is cool. As long as it doesn't impact too much a route. Like fucking up with Ashe or Nicki for having been with the asian girl (i'm old i don't always remember all names).
 

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Just a little on the large size. Can't imagine anyone wanting to play an average person, that's what we deal with in real life. But the very common horse dicks that are fairly common are a no go for me, as are massive tits and asses. Just as bad is a short MC. Usually it's a sign that the developer isn't putting in real effort to modify the purchased character models since too many of the female models are created with a height of 6 feet.
I really don't get those games where boobs and asses are so oversized and disproportionated to be plain grotesque. Really, is anyone turned on by that? And if so, what's their problems? I mean, ok the big boobs character, the big ass character and so on. I personaly prefer a slim slender type but everyone has his preferences, but what's good in a model that doesn't look human whatsoever?
 

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Almost like actions have consequences....

Sorry, but the majority of AVN players are a seriously entitled bunch, especially around here.
they like to put themselves as the character they play...there is no wonder why some would dare to not face the consquences especially the bad route players...i myself like to play the dark route even tho i dont really care if guy gets his ass kicked or not as long as it makes sense lol
 
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I really don't get those games where boobs and asses are so oversized and disproportionated to be plain grotesque. Really, is anyone turned on by that? And if so, what's their problems? I mean, ok the big boobs character, the big ass character and so on. I personaly prefer a slim slender type but everyone has his preferences, but what's good in a model that doesn't look human whatsoever?
same taste as you man...i also hate when they do that it wanna make me puke :sick:
 
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they like to put themselves as the character they play...there is no wonder why some would dare to not face the consquences especially the bad route players...i myself like to play the dark route even tho i dont really care if guy gets his ass kicked or not as long as it makes sense lol
I personally think that a game should indeed have consequences but it should also let the player breat. If you pursue an obviously destructive path you can't demand an happy ending, but MC should be able to sleep around and the player enjoy the scenes until later in the game. Otherwise to start over for like 10 mutually exclusive routes like old times JVNs might be taxing.

What i really hate is when you played a very reasonable route pursuing your favorite waifu and at the end the game is like "Do you remember that time in the first 10 minutes of gameplay when you spyed the other girl in the bathroom? BOOOOOOM! BAD ENDING, BITCH!"
 

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they like to put themselves as the character they play...there is no wonder why some would dare to not face the consquences especially the bad route players...i myself like to play the dark route even tho i dont really care if guy gets his ass kicked or not as long as it makes sense lol
I played this for the dark route, and with the shit Guy does, I can't see this feasibly ending happily for Evil Guy. Man just goes out and does horrible shit that probably he can get away with for a while but ultimately hes gonna get caught. Or best case, I guess he runs away to a non-expedite treaty country and starts his own little Epstein island lol. If there's a "bad ending" for Evil guy, I'd still play it because the evil fucker gets what he deserves. Wondering what NeonGhosts has cooked up in his head with regards to the endings, though they are a long ways off. Would love to hear a few thoughts/teases even if they're very early ideas now.
 
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BTW, I'm curious about other players' opinions: do you guys prefer protagonists with inhumanly large schlongs, or are you ok with more average ones, or at least realistically larger ones? Would a lap sausage in place of a pork roast of the nethers make a VN unplayable to you, or is it just a preference?
realistically and slightly larger than average ones
because I have a small dick irl :geek:
 

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tldr; Adding scenes -- fuck my life. But! You get some Brittani in this update, as well as a peek at her workplace. Also, I did a fairly long write-up about how I built the above scene. Check it out!

BTW, I'm curious about other players' opinions: do you guys prefer protagonists with inhumanly large schlongs, or are you ok with more average ones, or at least realistically larger ones? Would a lap sausage in place of a pork roast of the nethers make a VN unplayable to you, or is it just a preference?

This VN is perfect either way, so not a dig, but I have to say I really, really prefer more reasonable dick sizes. I think I'm in a very, very small minority though :LOL: Guy's dick size compliments the dark route & corruption routes, though, so don't know if that's part of the decision making too.
I actually put some thought and consideration in ol' Guy's wang-dang! :D I hate giant porno dicks in AVNs, so by default he's actually got a shorten/scale-down effect on. Now, I do use Dicktator, which is by default kind of hilariously large. But, some effort was made to keep it in the bounds of realism. I mean, it's still a solid 7-8", because this is a porno game, buuuut..

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One thing I very quickly realized is that most sex poses get wayyyy easier if your character has a Coney Island foot-long. So, I get why some people make their heroes ridiculously hung. And every now and then, if it's a weird position where I want a little more dick visible, I'll tweak the settings and add an inch or two. >_>

I personally think that a game should indeed have consequences but it should also let the player breat. If you pursue an obviously destructive path you can't demand an happy ending, but MC should be able to sleep around and the player enjoy the scenes until later in the game. Otherwise to start over for like 10 mutually exclusive routes like old times JVNs might be taxing.
Yeahhhh, I've mentioned this before, but I kind of regret how I did things with Ashe's date, where you took an automatic nap once you reached the end of a route. Buuuut, I was super exhausted and burnt out by the end of that update, and I just desperately wanted to be done with it. :'D What I'd like to do eventually, is go back and basically give Guy a number of 'energy points' for the night, with various actions impacting him: Sex with Ashe, viewing Sapphire's livestream, watching TV, visiting/getting a footjob from Risa, etc. And basically, if you're below a certain number of energy points, then you fall asleep doing whatever you're doing. Or you can choose to stay with Ashe, Risa, alone, etc.

The outlier would be if you visit Nicki, which automatically ends the evening.

I talk about this in my most recent blog posts on SubStar, but Chapter 10 will be an attempt to do something that kind of splits the difference between forcing players to choose a route, and trying to give everyone access to lots of content. Basically, the middle section of the chapter will have Mason's shopping trip, a sex scene with Mason, and then three optional mini-events. One revolves around Britt, the other two are a little hush hush for now. But, the idea is that, if you don't take Mason/delegate the job to Nicki, you can pursue all three optional scenes. But, if you do take Mason, you get the shopping event, but only have time for one optional scene. And Mason's sex scene is designed so it can occur at two main junctures of the story. So, the three main variations look like this.
  • Guy Takes Mason Shopping : Shopping Trip for Clothes/Glasses > Choice of One Optional Event > Optional Mason Sex Event
  • Nicki Takes Mason Shopping: Choice of Three Optional Events > Optional Mason Sex Event
  • Nobody Takes Mason Shopping: Optional Mason Sex Event > Choice of Three Optional Events
This has turned some aspects of coding the chapter into kind of a pain in the ass, but I think the end result will ultimately please more people than not.

I played this for the dark route, and with the shit Guy does, I can't see this feasibly ending happily for Evil Guy. Man just goes out and does horrible shit that probably he can get away with for a while but ultimately hes gonna get caught. Or best case, I guess he runs away to a non-expedite treaty country and starts his own little Epstein island lol. If there's a "bad ending" for Evil guy, I'd still play it because the evil fucker gets what he deserves. Wondering what NeonGhosts has cooked up in his head with regards to the endings, though they are a long ways off. Would love to hear a few thoughts/teases even if they're very early ideas now.
Honestly, there will be several endings, based on what you did, who you did it with/to, and the choices you made after. I think that just doing the various endings will take a full dev cycle, once I get there.

As for Guy's karmic choices.. I want to see Bad Guy get what he has coming to him, in the end. But, sometimes life doesn't work out that way. If a beloved philanthropist had a squeaky clean public image, but was maybe just awful to one person? Well, depending on who that person was, he might skate by. Sucks, but that's life.

I'm also slightly obsessed with the idea that someone can do something awful, and still try to do better. We see this with Guy at certain points, where he feels regret for some of the things he's done. The choices you make with Risa will do a lot to inform Guy's ultimate arc. I like the idea of an evil Guy who still has the ability to rationalize and excuse his own behavior, but sees something in Lucien that's so monstrous, it causes him to draw a line and maybe even try to fix some of the fucked up things he's done. That Guy probably still won't fare as well as Good Guy or even Corrupt Guy.. But, maybe there'll be some hope for him.

One thing I will say, and I've been fairly consistent about, is that I want things to basically work out for the love interests, no matter what path they're on. It'll ultimately vary from path to path, obviously. A Nicki who remains Guy's assistant and continues to grow into her role at Friends in Need, will probably have a better life than one that gets sick of Guy's shit and dips out.

But, no love interests will die, or end up in a mental hospital, or anything like that by the time the credits roll.
 

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Honestly I get a feeling at least maybe for 1 dark path route ending Ashe might just end up in a really toxic and abusive relationship with guy and stay no matter what. Like she is brainwashed thinking he isn't that bad no matter what other people say or he does to her type of deal. I get this feeling because there is a scene on the dark path if you don't sleep / rape her during the date after drugging her but did the first time you meet her, she gives guy this look almost like she feels bad for him and considering giving him a second chance or something. She also ask Guy what he didn't sleep with her.
 
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