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I wouldn't talk on behalf of Neon like you're doing because you can do more harm than good.
From what you are saying it can be interpreted that Neon prefers a Yes, sir circlejerk over some valid criticism from an open forum.
He's been here on f95 since the beginning of FiN development and I don't remember him saying he's going anywhere.
I’m not speaking on behalf of Neon, only making observations. He usually posts here daily but hasn’t for a week or so but is still active in discord. I also don’t think most of the criticism over the last four months has been valid. There were weeks of people saying that the game was as good as abandoned because he was remaking chapter one.
 

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Well, Neon Ghosts have been rather engaged in this forum, and very passionate himself when it came to defend his own choices, but it wouldn't be questionable if, just like anyone else, sometimes he need a break too.
Just to say. I've no idea about what's Neon Ghosts up this days. Maybe he's just busy.
That's my point, he engages with us from time to time so he's not averse to feedback or criticism like some other devs who hate f95.
I’m not speaking on behalf of Neon, only making observations. He usually posts here daily but hasn’t for a week or so but is still active in discord. I also don’t think most of the criticism over the last four months has been valid. There were weeks of people saying that the game was as good as abandoned because he was remaking chapter one.
Sure, there are some doom posting with the remake but you can ignore that easily as missinformed players I think.
 
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Dev Update! 5/19/25

Hey friends, hope you're all doing well this week!

First, just in case anyone missed it: I posted a new text short story featuring Madison, which has two pieces of art accompanying it. The first part of said story can be found (for free!) in the sticky'd post on the landing page. I'm not sure how long this one will be, honestly. I'm kinda having fun with it, so we'll see how much longer I want to keep it going.

As far as the game, work continues here in the rendering mines, and I'm making steady progress. I've added 250ish renders over the last two weeks, and I'm nearing the end of the work I need to do for the stuff that goes between the new Chapter 1 and Chapter 2. There's some additional background for our hard-luck hero, a new ero scene, and some little appearances from Carolina and the Chen family.

As always, things end up taking me longer than I'd like, but I'm working as quickly as I can to get this stuff finished, so I can move onto rendering Chapter 11. I promise, I'm just as eager to get back to the present as everyone else is. I'm planning to hit the ground running on June 1st, so that's my self-imposed deadline, to stop fiddling with other stuff.
Finally, just for fun I'm adding a little image of Isabella. Because when I buy a new lingerie asset, I can't not try it out right away!

Alright, that's it for me, today! As always, take care of yourselves and thank you for your support!
God damn, that Mommy Chen model is REALLY good. We better get a scene with her NeonGhosts, or we riot ;)

See, for me the whole concept of degradation with things like "whore" or "slut" doesn't work, because the only thing it does is reveal that the person who believes shaming someone for their sexual practices is making any sort of a point... is but a sexist moron whose opinions are then, by extension, worthless. Like sure, it can be hot when both parties engage in it consensually and "ironically" during sex and whathaveyou, but if someone actually takes is seriously, as genuine insults, and uses them in such manner? Get out.


I seriously doubt terrifying the recipient is what the author had in mind. You have to remember the recipient here is Brent who readily whored out said girlfriend. To me this was nothing but a "look you cuck, i have fucked your girl" petty dominance play which is basically the schoolyard bully shit, just exercised by bigger manchidlren. The mindset behind is just as juvenile and very much the same -- hurt and insult and demean someone so you make yourself feel bigger.

Now, i'd agree that Dark Guy very likely thinks he is making himself bigger with this. But like i said, i just can't roll my eyes hard enough at this sort of mentality, so it makes the whole thing (and Guy) just look stupid.
Well, it's one thing to see it play out in a porn VN and be like "pfft, what an immature idiot this Guy," because it's just a porn VN; but in the real world, that shit would scare the fucking shit out of you. What if someone did that to your sister? Come on, you can't convince me you'd be making this argument. :p It doesn't really matter if on some level it's petty, or immature, or 'silly' or something, all that matters is it's ultimately dehumanizing and threatening and mentally unstable; obviously it's not real, it's just a story, but I think the feeling of 'this could actually happen' is what Neon was going for, for the player to engross themselves enough into the story so that they see it play out in their head as if it were real; that's how I tend to read good stories, anyways.

Brent trying to get Nicki to swing on a strip pole or prostitute herself to pad his bank account is one thing, it's extremely selfish, but what dark Guy did is a whole other kind of fucked up, and Brent would've been one part angry and two parts terrified. I could be misremembering, but I feel like the dark route especially leans into this when Brent comes to 'rescue' Nicki in chp 10, it really justifies it actually; instead of looking like a fucking prick who can't take rejection, he comes off as someone setting aside his self-interest to help someone he cares about that's truly in danger. Of course, with this chp 1 rewrite, that's gonna change.
 
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Thank you for this great Game - a real warming light in this dark universe of sandbox, dating sim and school/university nerds !!!

I really like this game - the story is so diffrent from the "usual" storylines!
No schoolsetting, no university, no "...how can i fuck my step..."!
For sure, some girls react really fast a bit "opened", but it's better than waiting for years to have sex with the girl you want !?!

Are there any plans for "animated action" in the future?

My english is not correct? - For a nativ german speaking gamer i hope it's ok...
 

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Yep, this forum can be quite toxic. I mean, we all can express opinions passionately, but ultimately we must accept that the devs makes their own choices.
I myself, time ago, made my point about this game, according to me, having too many LIs, which IMHO, could turn the whole project into an extenuating endeavour for Neon Ghosts. I hoped to be constructive, but it pissed off many readers and Neon Ghosts too i think.
Lately i try not to be too intense in my opinions and pointers.
Honestly, I doubt it was ever you, you're really chill every time I read your comments. There's a few other regulars (that I'd really love to call out, but I know I shouldn't), and many, many more randos that are the issue. What probably happened is when you're getting like 25 comments all saying the same criticism that the author (and some of his fans) doesn't agree with and has explained many times it isn't going to change, but 20 of them are max entitled bitch mode and honestly making dumb arguments as non-devs non-writers anyways, the other polite 5 being reasonable can kind of blend in if you get me.

I've never seen Neon textually flip the bird at people leaving polite criticisms or opinions, even if they're poorly argued, it's really only the attitudes and repetition that gets to him (and the rest of us) I think. At least that's how I see it, and I completely understand. The amount of people who get a free game from someone who works hard on it to bring us hours and hours of entertainment, only to turn around and throw their baby rattles at him because of one dumb thing or another is just ridiculously lacking in self-awareness, maturity, and common decency. I know it's the internet, but geez, you can only take so much of the petty quibbling.
 

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i wish neon could just put a poll to know how many peaple have the same opinion and from it see how it goes , the guy just gets mad and shuts down !seems like he doesnt actually care about us after all ! he cares more about his characters
 

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i wish neon could just put a poll to know how many peaple have the same opinion and from it see how it goes , the guy just gets mad and shuts down !seems like he doesnt actually care about us after all ! he cares more about his characters
A good storyteller should care more about his or her characters. Yes, they should care about the audience too but the priority should be the story they want to tell, not what people think at the very beginning of the story. I can guarantee that a story that is written by polling the readers after each chapter will be terrible by the end.

And I don't think that Neon doesn't care but the complaints that are being continually repeated on the pirate site, aren't really being expressed at all on the site for people that are giving him money. All the recent conversation there has been about who people's favourites are and how much people are looking forward to chapter 11.
 

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A good storyteller should care more about his or her characters. Yes, they should care about the audience too but the priority should be the story they want to tell, not what people think at the very beginning of the story. I can guarantee that a story that is written by polling the readers after each chapter will be terrible by the end.

And I don't think that Neon doesn't care but the complaints that are being continually repeated on the pirate site, aren't really being expressed at all on the site for people that are giving him money. All the recent conversation there has been about who people's favourites are and how much people are looking forward to chapter 11.
then POLL IT please !!! im curious how many peaple will VOTE for liked it or not , im not asking for a story change by polls , just to see if peaple generally liked it or not
 

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then POLL IT please !!! im curious how many peaple will VOTE for liked it or not , im not asking for a story change by polls , just to see if peaple generally liked it or not
I can’t create polls here either.
 

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And I don't think that Neon doesn't care but the complaints that are being continually repeated on the pirate site, aren't really being expressed at all on the site for people that are giving him money. All the recent conversation there has been about who people's favourites are and how much people are looking forward to chapter 11.
I can guarantee that not all the people "giving him money." are exactly fans of it either. Some of us simply decided not to take part in the circle jerk debate after certain members of the community decided that instead of having rational adult discussion the debate should instead sink to the level of insinuating that anyone disagreeing with them were of lower intelligence. That was followed by others then making the same statements. So yeah. It ain't all candy and rainbows over in paidtown, just some of us have bowed out and decided that mayyyybe it's not a place we want to be anymore. Which is okay, not every community is for everyone, just don't assume that just because people are here and not there that they don't pay. Thanks for playing the assumption game though.
 
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I can guarantee that not all the people "giving him money." are exactly fans of it either. Some of us simply decided not to take part in the circle jerk debate after certain members of the community decided that instead of having rational adult discussion the debate should instead sink to the level of insinuating that anyone disagreeing with them were of lower intelligence. That was followed by others then making the same statements. So yeah. It ain't all candy and rainbows over in paidtown, just some of us have bowed out and decided that mayyyybe it's not a place we want to be anymore. Which is okay, not every community is for everyone, just don't assume that just because people are here and not there that they don't pay. Thanks for playing the assumption game though.
Obviously I don’t know everyone’s status. I’m just saying that the atmosphere between the two places is completely different. No one there seems to be criticizing the new Chapter 1 (or complaining because there was a remake, or about Blue Valentine) or really complaining about anything - but that’s been most of what’s going on in this forum for 4 months now.
 

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Obviously I don’t know everyone’s status. I’m just saying that the atmosphere between the two places is completely different. No one there seems to be criticizing the new Chapter 1 (or complaining because there was a remake, or about Blue Valentine) or really complaining about anything - but that’s been most of what’s going on in this forum for 4 months now.
Discord? Normally full of yes men, it's why its commonly considered an echo chamber. Rude places are where you find the truth normally.

Edit: I forgot the white knights, scum of the earth
 

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Discord? Normally full of yes men, it's why its commonly considered an echo chamber. Rude places are where you find the truth normally.

Edit: I forgot the white knights, scum of the earth
it could be run like a personnal cult , or a hive mind , never been to the discord server so idk whats the deal there
 
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Well, I don’t know what to say anymore. I hope this thread goes back to being at least somewhat positive about the game at some point. Personally I liked the new chapter 1. It was exactly what Neon said it was going to be, and I thought it added a lot of depth to the main characters and their backgrounds. It also clarified what kind of person Nicky was and her relationship with the MC. I hope the people that hated it find another game they like because I’m pretty sure that Chapter 1 isn’t going to change again. At any rate, I'm done trying to argue with them.
 

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Discord? Normally full of yes men, it's why its commonly considered an echo chamber. Rude places are where you find the truth normally.

Edit: I forgot the white knights, scum of the earth
In my experience, the rudest people are usually the most selfish and usually also have the dumbest, most confidently ill-formed opinions; and on the other side, the most thoughtful people tend to be quiet and express their opinions tentatively. Usually. Like, at least 80% of the time if I had to put a number to it. But either way, not really going to find 'the truth' for a porn VN anyways, it's all horny opinion. :LOL:
 

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In my experience, the rudest people are usually the most selfish and usually also have the dumbest, most confidently ill-formed opinions; and on the other side, the most thoughtful people tend to be quiet and express their opinions tentatively. Usually. Like, at least 80% of the time if I had to put a number to it. But either way, not really going to find 'the truth' for a porn VN anyways, it's all horny opinion. :LOL:
Give me one rude comment that was on here ! its all nice comments or talking nicely about the game
 

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In my experience, the rudest people are usually the most selfish and usually also have the dumbest, most confidently ill-formed opinions; and on the other side, the most thoughtful people tend to be quiet and express their opinions tentatively. Usually. Like, at least 80% of the time if I had to put a number to it. But either way, not really going to find 'the truth' for a porn VN anyways, it's all horny opinion. :LOL:
May be a cultural difference :whistle::coffee:
 
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then POLL IT please !!! im curious how many peaple will VOTE for liked it or not , im not asking for a story change by polls , just to see if peaple generally liked it or not
A poll would be great , it could actually fix a bunch of issues and finally give some folks a reason to be quiet. I’m curious too, but apparently that’s asking too much:FacePalm:.
 
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