NTR (Read this post: https://f95zone.to/threads/funkelregen-v0-6-janamus-sura.164991/post-15068729)

  • Free use / sharing

    Votes: 31 20.8%
  • NTR based on affection points

    Votes: 21 14.1%
  • Girls reject Adrian a priori

    Votes: 5 3.4%
  • Girls reject Adrian (with a Saefia upsi…)

    Votes: 3 2.0%
  • Adrian focuses on side character(s)

    Votes: 12 8.1%
  • Kill’m off!

    Votes: 77 51.7%

  • Total voters
    149

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Major Devlog 5 (Read post before answering poll!)

Preview
For a change, we are starting with the previews today. First, here is the usual pie chart detailing the line count of each LI:

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I have to admit, this time around I suffered a little bit from a lack of motivation and inspiration. On one hand, this means, I’m a little bit behind in schedule and haven’t done much regarding renders or animations… On the other hand, the distribution is a little bit uneven…

As you can see, Sarlé will have a rather large quest line, followed by a major Lin event. But Ladira, Rachel, Sabrina, and Pirlia are a little bit on the low side… If you have good ideas for these four, I’m all ears. Additionally, we will talk about Pirlia later…

Similar to the last updates, this one here will again feature a longer linear part, which will continue directly after the last cliffhanger. After that, it will be a normal “on-the-ship” update with mostly side quest content.

It the moment, about 15% of all the renders and animations for the next release are already done. I guess I will have the next update ready somewhere in December…


NTR
To be honest, I somewhat imagined more interaction below these posts, but I’m certain this topic will stir up some engagement…

As you can probably refer from the last cliffhanger and the uncharacteristically large spike in Annica's lines, she’s going to join the ship and finally become a full LI. But the problem is, that she comes with baggage… her brother… Sadly, I have already characterized Adrian as someone who wouldn’t just idly stand by as the MC continues to build his harem. Therefore a little discussion about NTR is needed:

I once read a take on NTR stating, that they like having the possibility of NTR in a game because it gives the game some kind of tension and the risk of failure. As I’ve explained before, I want to make the game 100%-able in one run and as long as you don’t ignore fourth-wall-breaking warnings, you will get to see basically everything the game has to over sooner or later… This means, there will probably be no possibility to permanently screw up and lose a girl.

But there could be the chance to get NTR-ed, which is still a source of tension… But there’s another problem with this approach: The metric to determine whether or not a girl will cheat on you, is most certainly going to be the affection point system. But since Funkelregen is a free-roam / sandbox game, I will most certainly punish people for simply doing events in the “wrong” order.

But I could also go even further: Maybe the MC and Adrian come to an agreement, which allows them both to fuck all the LIs without major problems. This “free-use” scenario is a possibility, but probably the worst… for once it’s the narrative least engaging one and goes against most player expectations/preferences. Also, many of the LIs shouldn’t play along with this. For example, Rachel is already making wedding and retirement plans with the MC…

Ok… now to more realistic possibilities, that will not make 90%+ of my community implode…

First, there’s the usual AVN tradition, where whenever another male approaches a LI, she (instantly) refuses in favor of the MC. Of course, this could also work in my game… but only with one big problem… or rather a 114 cm tall problem…

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I’m pretty sure everybody here can guess, that leaving Saefia and Adrian in the same room alone for more than 5 minutes could result in NTR. At the moment the relationship between Saefia and the MC isn’t deep enough for Saefia to be (fully) faithful to the MC. In other words, I will have to deepen the relationship between the two in the next few updates. This will lead to an increase in text and sex scenes for Saefia in the next updates (see the topics below and above).

Additionally, there’s a little idea flashing through my mind… Maybe you could catch Saefia and Adrian in the act. After that, the MC is (understandably) hurt and wants nothing to do with Saefia for a while. In the meantime, Saefia realizes, that her relationship with the MC is the only “real” one she ever had and the only one that went beyond a one-night stand, so she comes crawling back to the MC…

This could become a very impact-full moment in the development of Saefia, but I’m also aware, that my writing skills may not be sufficient to pull that off… This could probably lead to even more people disliking this already questionable LI…


The next solution to avoid NTR I like to call the Eternum approach: Here, the male sidekick is lusting after a girl, the MC (and to an extent the player) have no interest in. In the case of my game, this will be the character, who is now just called “Time Warden”. For reasons, that are probably obvious by now, she will never be a full LI and not be plowed by the MC, while remaining an important character story-wise, with whom paths will cross soon.

Also Adrian will never be able to score with her for several reasons. Also, it could become a running gag, that Adrian is the only one too dumb to realize, he’s trying to hit on his own goddaughter… Also, Lisaeria could be another candidate for this...


Until now, I’ve only talked about mitigating the downsides of having Adrian around, but one reason to keep him around is, that you have an easily available candidate for possible MMF threesomes later in the game. These will be, of course, optional/avoidable/with the MC’s consent.

Initially, pictures pop into my mind of the two friends spit roasting Sarlé or double penetrating Sabrina. Some more complex scenes could be with Zoela, who gives both of them a handjob at the same time and whoever cums last will be ridden by the little mistress, while the other has to watch. Also, Minerva is planned to be a “the more the merrier” kind of person. (This is just a brainstorming and not a fixed road map)

Also, I could make tension-filled storylines with the MC and Adrian "fighting" over the LIs and finally starting to hate each other... but for the record, I have to admit, that I have no major plans on how to continue Adrian's story...


Instead of keeping Adrian around, we could also go the nuclear route and kill him (narrativly) off… According to my current plans, the end of V0.8 will have a major battle and it would be easy to severely maim Adrian at this point, so he basically spends the rest of the game in a hospital on Vesella.

Additionally, this could fuel a “survivors-guilt-plot” for Lin, who wants to make sure nobody dies again under her command…


So all in all we have the following options:
  • Free use / sharing
  • NTR based on affection points
  • Girls reject Adrian a priori
  • Girls reject Adrian (with a Saefia upsi…)
  • Adrian focuses on side character(s)
  • Kill’m off!
If you’re reading this, you probably have a poll somewhere on your screen, where you can voice your opinion on the future of the game with a single click. Additionally, I’m also hoping to see some rather fleshed-out comments from you, since this is a very difficult topic…

And before you ask, almost all side quests in V0.7 are written as if Annica and Adrian aren’t yet on the ship.


Sex Scenes
Hi, my name is Janamus, I’m German and I’m surprisingly good at math and statistics, so one day I woke up and made a list of how many sex scenes each girl has. The following diagram counts how many (sexual) animations each girl has:



First I guess nobody is surprised, that Annica has the last place for obvious reasons…

But the second last place on the other side… Let’s be blunt: It’s more or less a mistake from the author’s side when the most slutty LI has the fewest sex scenes… As I’ve mentioned in some devlog, I want the sex scenes to feel at least somewhat earned, and since Saefia’s attitude is something like “I’m bored, let’s fuck!” I probably was a bit too cautious with rushing her sexual relationship… To correct that, Saefia is the first one to be granted a sex scene in V0.7, which will catapult her in front of Sabrina.

Speaking of which… Sabrina is also very low on scenes… at least she got her first real one this update… The problem with Sabrina is of course, that she herself despises the sight of her lower body. Although she’s one of my personal favorites, I took me far too long to find a workaround for that… But at least by now, I have a plan for the next scenes starring Sabrina…

The last LI I want to specifically talk about is Zoela… the second of the uncharacteristically celibate Illabs… The big problem with Zoela up to now was, that she basically had the monopoly on main quests. Although Zoela has 17% of all LI’s lines, most of that was spent on developing the main quests and not on the relationship between her and the MC. I think, the only event, whose only purpose was to deepen the romantic relationship between her and the MC, was the drinking event with her and the MC back in V0.1.

The only reason she’s not on Saefia or Sabrina’s level is, that her own scene has 6 individual animations as well as a few teasing scenes spread throughout the remaining game. I hope the two teasing events in the last update kept you well entertained…

I don’t have much to say about the other LIs or rather I don’t see a need to change/address something.


But to be more general: The time of the sex scare early game with only 2 animations per scene is over by now. Therefore I want to focus on fewer, but longer (and maybe better) scenes. I’m aiming for about 3 scenes per update (i.e. one per beta).

This means it will become way less likely to find 4 to 5 scenes per update like in the last 2 updates. Therefore the next update is planned to only have 3 scenes, which will consist of 5, 5, and 4 animations each with respective updates to the showers.
Also, I have by now gotten a few people pointing out my quite slow sexual progress and the fact, that until now, no penetrative sex with a main line LI has happened. Well… that’s going to change next update… twofold…


Main Quest Update
When we meet up again for the next big devlog, the texts for V0.8 will most certainly already been written, so I have to talk about this now:

At the moment the main quests are a little bit one-dimensional. Basically for the last updates (V0.5, V0.6, V0.7) the fundamental gameplay loop concerning the main quest is as follows: Talk with Funkelregen, fly to a certain relevant position, experience a long linear section, and repeat.

This is mostly due to the fact, that we are in the middle of two plot strains. The first “chapter” of the game (if you want to call it that) is about “something is fishy on the ship”, which pretty much ended in V0.4, and now I’m in the middle of building up to the “something is fishy in the galaxy” part – hence the little bit of a drought…

To over-correct this, I’m planning to make V0.8 basically a “main story only” update. This means I will focus on continuing the main story with little to no regard for LI’s side storylines. The only exception is probably going to be Sabrina, whose next major story segment needs to happen in the main story segment of V0.8. I hope you got her affection to the appropriate level by then…

Contrary to the other main quest update (V0.4) V0.8 will not be just a big blob of linear storytelling with maybe a limited free-roam section. Instead, much of the storylines will work within the existing ship-bound free roam as well as some zick-zacking through the galaxy. At the very end of this update there will also be a big battle in which Adrian could meet his maker…

The text distribution for V0.8 will therefore most certainly look very distorted, since I will only adhere to the needs of the story and will not even try to generate an even distribution. This will also be exacerbated by the fact, that half the side character cast will make (major) appearances in V0.8.

One drawback of this main quest update is, that my current draft only features a single sex scene and it’s even with a side character, although you will be allowed to go all bases… When I have time/budget to spare, I’ll maybe make a scene with Sarlé, Rachel, or Ladira, since their next scenes won’t require much built up…

If you’re firmly against a main story update, V0.8 could theoretically become an event like most others: A little bit more main story than usual with a bunch of side quests. The drafted story of V0.8 would be split in the middle and you would have the usual 3 scenes per update.

Additionally, if we’re going to split the main story, you will have to pick another option for our NTR/Adrian problem rather than killing him off. I can’t pretend for 3 updates, that he doesn’t exist.


Minigame / Features
Often minigames or similar things are often disliked in AVN. But concerning the minigame from V0.5.1 I got no comments until now. This means, that there were no game-breaking bugs and no one was so offended, that they felt the need to write a (negative) comment.



Often the criticism of minigames in an AVN is, that they destroy the flow of the game and add nothing to the game/experience. The space combat, on the other hand, skips itself after 3 failures and it serves a narrative purpose: It demonstrates the universe's power scaling and Funkelregen’s claims of being the most powerful/advanced spaceship in the current galaxy.

Furthermore, another space combat is planned at the end of V0.7. I’m not sure, if I will include it in the third beta already or if I wait for the full release… Anyway, I hope you will like this one as well...


As I’ve already mentioned in another devlog, I want to give myself a programming challenge each update – something where I don’t have to think about what to do, but about how to do something. This usually results in a new feature for you or something like that. For V0.6 and V0.7 these features are their respective space combats.

At the moment, I’m not sure what this challenge is going to be in V0.8. One possible feature, that gets requested more often lately is a gallery and by now you can easily justify the need for one – just look above…

But as I’ve mentioned some other time, I really enjoy the idea of justifying a gallery as an in-universe manifestation of the MC’s supernatural abilities. But the plan is to grant him his first batch of power-ups at the end of V0.8, so they will be playable in version V0.9.


Additionally, I’ve got questions for every single affection threshold in V0.5. Therefore I also wanted to rush the main story to a point, where I can introduce a system to right possible “fuck-ups” through some “wibbly wobbly, timey wimey“-stuff. This system is also planned for V0.9.


Reworks / Pirlia
At the moment, I have finally cleared my backlog of crappy animations from V0.1 and V0.2. From my perspective, there are no animations/scenes, where I could achieve a significant improvement in animation quality. If you think there’s another section of the game, that is needed for a rework, I’m all ears.
As you could have guessed correctly, Pirlia is still on top of the list of the most disliked LI:



For starters, Pirlia is of course disliked by some due to her femdom content. It’s a shame that this is not something all can enjoy, but that’s a totally legitimate reason to dislike her. But I have to admit, that her specific take on femdom is rather one-dimensional: Basically all three of her scenes consisted of demonstrating her physical might and pressing her partner/victim into her crotch only she’s satisfied. In the future, I will try to go on a more “sophisticated” approach with her…

One other criticism I got was, that they simply dislike Pirlia’s character. And I can somewhat understand where they are coming from… By now I can see, that there are 3 or 4 instances, where she’s (unnecessarily) mean and there are little to no redeeming characteristics as long as you are not into big dominant women. Therefore I am tempted to rework a few of her older events to make her more appealing in terms of character.

In addition to that, Pirlia is also the most underdeveloped LI in the game - except Anni of course… She has the least amount of lines, only closely followed by Ladira, but that’s a story for another time…



When I look at the dissatisfaction with Pirlia, I sometimes compare her to Lin. There’s no way denying it, that Lin is a very unlikable character at the beginning of the game. If I were to conduct a poll like the above in the aftermath of V0.1 or V0.2, I’m pretty sure Lin would have beaten Pirlia without a struggle… in fact, one of the very first messages I ever got was from someone not liking Lin…



But I have to be a little bit proud of myself after I was able to make her way more likable and now she’s the second least disliked LI only after dear sweet little Rachel. Maybe I will be able to salvage Pirlia in a similar manner if I focus a bit more on her… there has already been a crack in her tough persona… maybe she will be more vulnerable towards the MC and will open up more…

But of course, there will be some of you who think Pirlia (at her current status) is unsalvageable and don’t want to force themselves through the game until she might become better… Therefore, I wanted to ask if I should spend my energy/time on reworking some weak/bad events with her in the early game or if should I focus on further developing her character.


Somehow related to this is my future proposal for reworks: Back in the winter of 2022, when I barely knew what I was doing, I of course made some mistakes… The by far most long-lasting of these is the gym. Its lighting is just horrible… Since many events this update take place in the gym, you may have even noticed, that I had to do some ad hoc lighting changes, resulting in random changes of brightness between camera movements…

Therefore I have the idea of reworking all the visuals for all the scenes happening in the gym. This of course will take a lot of time, so I will probably spread the workload over 3 updates or so…

Additionally, 90% or so of all events in the gym center around Pirlia, so this could be an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone… So if you have any suggestions for the gym or Pirlia in general, I’m all ears...


Minimap Readability
I have a question for all the new players (or the ones with a good memory) regarding the minimap: Were you able to understand the minimap immediately?

The linear prologue shows you around a bit, but it doesn’t give you full overview and the map on the other side, doesn’t directly tell you what each room’s purpose is, and yet the quest log assumes you know all the rooms’ names.

Therefore I wanted to ask you if you got lost on the map. In the earliest stages of the game, I thought about adding tooltips to each element of the map displaying the room’s name, but this quickly caused visual overload and reduced readability… Maybe there’s some other way like inert text, that displays the name of the room…

Additionally, there’s no indicator in which room the MC currently is. Therefore some sort of indicator could be helpful…


Showers
Except for my editor sometimes, I have gotten little to no feedback for the showers. By now they start feeling a little bit like a chore to me – something that I think I have to do, but with little to no idea, if it’s even necessary/beneficial…

Therefore I want to ask directly: Do you often use the showers? Are you satisfied with its randomized manner? Do you think it’s annoying, that you can’t decide which girl you get and what scene you will get? Do you think it’s necessary to expand this “soft gallery”?


Hair
As you’ve probably seen, the girls’ hairstyles almost never change – the only exceptions are Sarlé, Rachel, and Lin in like a handful of cases. This is mostly because my semi-face blind ass would get a seizure when the girls randomly change hairstyles and would need a few extra seconds to recognize them. Additionally, since this is a free-roam AVN, changing hairstyles (permanently) could lead to continuity errors or to (unnecessary) work for me.

But one character where changing hairstyles could be useful is Lin. Her usual high ponytail fits her usual bossy character quite well, but maybe something else could be fitting better, whenever she shows her submissive side… I’m thinking about the louse hair, she has during her sick day for example…




Keywords
Uff… I’m pretty sure this here has to be the longest devlog, I’ve ever written and there are also some heavy topics, I need your perspective on… So, here are the keywords, i.e. the points for which I need your input the most:
  • The NTR/Adrian problematic
  • V0.8: Normal events ↔ Main story focus
  • Gallery: Now ↔ Later
  • Other requested features
  • Scenes/Events in need of a rework
  • Improving Pirlia (Rework ↔ Further development)
  • Minimap readability
  • Thoughts on the showers
  • Changing hairstyles (Especially Lin)
I'm looking forward to reading your comments and of course, you are also allowed to write about anything else you want.
All that text just to tell us you are a cuc-- "sharing aficionado".

"Tension" ? Right, where the fuck did you hear that excuse lmaooo. Anyway, just do it, why even ask?
 

BlasKyau

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I don't usually participate in talking about things. I just vote on polls and that's it.
But seeing as you're still trying to attract both sides, I decided to join in.

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I don't hate Pirlia, I just don't like her fetish. And I don't like Zoela's either.

I'm not crazy about Saefia. But I think you only get the scene between her and Pirlia if you do the quest "somebody ate from my plate!", which I haven't even started (and can't do anymore).

I think it's time you decide which side you'd like to be your main target audience and stop the plan of trying to please 2 very opposite sides.
The premise is of a harem game, namely the MC being the only male in a ship filled with female LIs. Which is why most of your current players at least ones often in here are Harem fans since we're playing it because we like it, despite some minor things some don't particularly like, like the lesbian and femdom.

But most Harem fans will leave if NTR is added midway through development since it's the opposite of what they like.
If it was advertised as NTR right at the start, they wouldn't even be here and the NTR fans would be the main ones here.

If you try and mix both specially midway which usually never works, the content will then be divided. Harem fans will hate it since it's added, and NTR fans may like it, but not as much since it's only a small portion of what they like. And, most likely not even the main theme of the game due to the fact that it's made Optional/Avoidable.

If NTR is optional, you would then be developing the game for 2 different sides so there are times one side will be lacking unless you always split every update 50/50 content wise. I myself might even lose interest since every update, I only like 50% of the content released so your main target audience would then be the people who like both, which honestly, are not a lot.
So far the game has been totally harem-focused. In my opinion, adding NTR or sharing will lose potential players without actually gaining any in return.
 

Zeruelll

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I'm not crazy about Saefia. But I think you only get the scene between her and Pirlia if you do the quest "somebody ate from my plate!", which I haven't even started (and can't do anymore).
Yes it's from that quest. I didn't know about it at first so I was just surprised to see it. And the completionist in me makes it hard to not do that quest :HideThePain:. Reloaded a save to not continue quest so in the story it never happened which would probably be referenced in the future.

So far the game has been totally harem-focused. In my opinion, adding NTR or sharing will lose potential players without actually gaining any in return.
Yeah it is. It's actually why I even decided to try this game. And the fact that it's in Honey Select 2 as well which I like more than the others.
I might even leave if it was added. Maybe not if optional/avoidable, but my interest in the game will decrease for sure it's like I still left so I prefer it not being added.
 

Janamus Sura

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I don't usually participate in talking about things. I just vote on polls and that's it.
But seeing as you're still trying to attract both sides, I decided to join in.
Soo.. is that gonna be the main reason why he'll remain? Seems like it, since that's the example you mentioned here. I don't even think that's an upside as well. Optional or not, that's not really something Harem fans would like. If this was supposed to be a Harem game anyway..
In my very first draft of the game/story, Adrian was always supposed to be the MC's buddy and later in the story after his reintruduction a romantical rival.

I guess I've clearly demonstrated, that my understanding of a "harem" game differs from the "orthodox" view. For example I have no problem with femdom, lebians/LI making out with each other. I also am apperently less sensitive to cheating/NTR/romantic rivals than the average harem-AVN player. You've seen the tantrum this threat threw, once Saefia got a little bit too touchy. In the aftermath of this, I scaled down the little cunt goblin and started making these things optional.

But this didn't include Adrian (yet). Therefore I made these posts/polls to to test the waters, what my community wants and as you see, the results are quite clear. I have ideas for romantic rivals, that would never score, but since the idea was, that Adrian would join the ship, he was planed to become the only one that could become a real threat.

About making NTR/cheating optional: As I've tried to explain in the original devlog, from a purely in universe perspective, Adrian (and Saefia) wouldn't give the MC a say in making NTR optional, hence the discussions about workarounds.

I have to admit, storywise I never came up with anything deeper than best buddy/possible threat for him. At he's current characterisation, he has no important story connections, he is just a standard boring Human so no alien-bonus and he has no skill unique to the main cast. (Basically that applies to Annica as well, but she's fuckable, so it's not that big of a deal).

In my current sketches for the futher development of the story, his timeout in an Veludran hospital would be more beneficial for the whole story than him staying an active character on the ship. Maybe his return as a steriod/plasmid filled superhuman could change things, after his Veludran carataker got a little bit overzealious with treating him...

The only disadvantage to kicking him of the ship would be that Annica would be sitting alone during the breakfast events.
 
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TigerWolfe

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For example I have no problem with femdom, lebians/LI making out with each other.
I'm fully onboard here.
I also am apperently less sensitive to cheating/NTR/romantic rivals than the average harem-AVN player
This is where you lose me. Partially at least. I'm fine with having a rival Mc beats, or even a guy Mc takes a girl from. But not with having a guy get his hands on a LI after theyve been with Mc.
 
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Zeruelll

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About making NTR/cheating optional: As I've tried to explain in the original devlog, from a purely in universe perspective, Adrian (and Saefia) wouldn't give the MC a say in making NTR optional, hence the discussions about workarounds.
And that and anything related to that is what will drive the current majority of the players away. I'm pretty there's already a clear "workaround" you should do.

In my current sketches for the futher development of the story, his timeout in an Veludran hospital would be more beneficial for the whole story than him staying an active character on the ship. Maybe his return as a steriod/plasmid filled superhuman could change things, after his Veludran carataker got a little bit overzealious with treating him...
So IF he's gonna return as a steriod/plasmid filled superhuman and this same exact discussion is brought up again, then what's currently happening right now will happen again with probably more intensity since it's already happened once. Yeah I think you already know what's gonna happen there.
 

MrDianhelo

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In short sharing got 11 votes + ntr 9.
No ntr got 23.

So 20 vs 23. Seems pretty balanced. My advice is to add ntr, ignore the crying, because you can even check the account of those against the addition of ntr and you'll see the play avoidable ntr games, so they cry about it but still stay around.

Thats what you want, go with it. Its not like you are doing specially well right now so give it a try.
 

Janamus Sura

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So IF he's gonna return as a steriod/plasmid filled superhuman and this same exact discussion is brought up again, then what's currently happening right now will happen again with probably more intensity since it's already happened once. Yeah I think you already know what's gonna happen there.
Sorry for missunderstandable tease. After taking Adrian out of the picture, his return will most certainly happen only at the very end of the game. It's like a week before the final stand and we rally up any companions we made throughout the game. That's the point, where he'd make this mentioned return.

Additionally, most of the mentioned problems and flavors of NTR are coming from insufficient relationsships with the LIs.

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At the moment (V0.6) the line between "This LI would never ever cheat on you (with Adrian)" and "There's a chance to get NTRed" is between Anni and Lin. Next update, this line will probably shift one to the right to include Lin. If Adrian was to return 5 updates from now, the line would probably be near Saefia or so. Therefore most of the possibilities of the poll would become irrelevant. If Adrian was to act up, the MC would probably just take him to the side and say "If you touch any of my girls, I'm ordering Pirlia to rip your head off..."
 

BlasKyau

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In my very first draft of the game/story, Adrian was always supposed to be the MC's buddy and later in the story after his reintruduction a romantical rival.

I guess I've clearly demonstrated, that my understanding of a "harem" game differs from the "orthodox" view. For example I have no problem with femdom, lebians/LI making out with each other. I also am apperently less sensitive to cheating/NTR/romantic rivals than the average harem-AVN player. You've seen the tantrum this threat threw, once Saefia got a little bit too touchy. In the aftermath of this, I scaled down the little cunt goblin and started making these things optional.
I don't think femdom and harem are mutually exclusive. But it's true that femdom is a more niche and less popular fetish than maledom.

And regarding lesbianism, there are people who like it and think it's not a bad idea to include it in a harem game and others who don't like it and don't want it in a harem game. I don't like lesbian sex, I find it boring and not exciting, and for that reason I avoid lesbians, because they are going to have lesbian sex. I'm not going to say that a harem can't include lesbian sex between the LIs, but I will say that the type of harem I like the most doesn't include it.

Regarding NTR there will surely be more consensus, but I think there is a part of people who are more open about what they consider a harem, and they include in the harem what the more puritanical call polyamory (i.e. sharing the LI with others). Regarding Netorare, I think that is generally unpopular among harem followers (anathema to most, even I suppose to many of the supporters of harem with polyamory).

But this didn't include Adrian (yet). Therefore I made these posts/polls to to test the waters, what my community wants and as you see, the results are quite clear. I have ideas for romantic rivals, that would never score, but since the idea was, that Adrian would join the ship, he was planed to become the only one that could become a real threat.

About making NTR/cheating optional: As I've tried to explain in the original devlog, from a purely in universe perspective, Adrian (and Saefia) wouldn't give the MC a say in making NTR optional, hence the discussions about workarounds.

I have to admit, storywise I never came up with anything deeper than best buddy/possible threat for him. At he's current characterisation, he has no important story connections, he is just a standard boring Human so no alien-bonus and he has no skill unique to the main cast. (Basically that applies to Annica as well, but she's fuckable, so it's not that big of a deal).

In my current sketches for the futher development of the story, his timeout in an Veludran hospital would be more beneficial for the whole story than him staying an active character on the ship. Maybe his return as a steriod/plasmid filled superhuman could change things, after his Veludran carataker got a little bit overzealious with treating him...

The only disadvantage to kicking him of the ship would be that Annica would be sitting alone during the breakfast events.
In my opinion, if you do end up including NTR, it should be completely avoidable, and possibly better by player choice than by stats. And if you ask me, the best way to deal with NTR and sharing is to create an option to disable them so that whoever doesn't like it will never have it and everything will be solved.

Sorry for missunderstandable tease. After taking Adrian out of the picture, his return will most certainly happen only at the very end of the game. It's like a week before the final stand and we rally up any companions we made throughout the game. That's the point, where he'd make this mentioned return.

Additionally, most of the mentioned problems and flavors of NTR are coming from insufficient relationsships with the LIs.

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At the moment (V0.6) the line between "This LI would never ever cheat on you (with Adrian)" and "There's a chance to get NTRed" is between Anni and Lin. Next update, this line will probably shift one to the right to include Lin. If Adrian was to return 5 updates from now, the line would probably be near Saefia or so. Therefore most of the possibilities of the poll would become irrelevant. If Adrian was to act up, the MC would probably just take him to the side and say "If you touch any of my girls, I'm ordering Pirlia to rip your head off..."
The best thing you can do is to make sure that all the hormone treatment has left him impotent and eliminate any problems.
 
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Chris2041

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I was really liking this game and even if i dont like it the lesbian scenes i didnt mind it when you make it optional so i was cool chilling whit the game but seing the poll and the plans you had im gonna be safe than sorry when you make that type of plans in the middle of the game you really lost me i dont mind is your game and you should do what your heart tells you if you only do what the majority of the people tell you are gonna end dont like making the game and you are gonna end abandoning the game i see a couple devs that this happen to them .Do what you want but please be clear whit your fans if you wanna make ntr sharing rival etc do it ,it has his public the problem is the public of this game is harem folks and the majority are gonna abandon the ship but the problem is that you are gonna include this a little to late and people are gonna be pissed and whit reason is like if me that i buy sparking zero a "fighting game" turns a race game in future updates i dont know if you get what i mean .
Well do what you heart tells but be clear and reembolse the money to the people that didnt want the game going this direction .
It was a fun ride but seen the end destination that wasnt my goal on this traing so im gonna leave now .
Good luck and health :D
 

garyH

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I'm not against completely avoidable ntr being added, meaning scenes like the suggested Adrian/Safia situation will never happen if you don't want it to, it would just lessen my interest in the game as it means a game that was once mostly focused on fetishes that interest me would now be further split with more fetishes I have no interest in at all.
 
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BlasKyau

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In short sharing got 11 votes + ntr 9.
No ntr got 23.

So 20 vs 23. Seems pretty balanced. My advice is to add ntr, ignore the crying, because you can even check the account of those against the addition of ntr and you'll see the play avoidable ntr games, so they cry about it but still stay around.

Thats what you want, go with it. Its not like you are doing specially well right now so give it a try.
I guess that the option "Adrian focuses on side character(s)" is in the line of avoid NTR and sharing, and I have this fealing because of this:

The next solution to avoid NTR I like to call the Eternum approach: Here, the male sidekick is lusting after a girl, the MC (and to an extent the player) have no interest in. In the case of my game, this will be the character, who is now just called “Time Warden”. For reasons, that are probably obvious by now, she will never be a full LI and not be plowed by the MC, while remaining an important character story-wise, with whom paths will cross soon.

Also Adrian will never be able to score with her for several reasons. Also, it could become a running gag, that Adrian is the only one too dumb to realize, he’s trying to hit on his own goddaughter… Also, Lisaeria could be another candidate for this...
So, actually it will be 25 + 4 would be 29, I don't think that the side characters that aren't going to be part of the harem and with whom the MC isn't going to have any kind of romantic relationship or sex count as NTR or sharing

On the other hand, I'm not really sure that all the people that like sharing has the same fealing about netorare, some of them sure, but not all of them, so add the sharing people into the NTR people isn't correct. As I see it:

11 like sharing (and not necesarially Netorare)

9 like netorare (and not necesarially sharing)

28 doesn't like sharing and netorare.

1 that I guess that doesn't like sharing and netorare, because I think that Girls reject Adrian (with a Saefia upsi…) is definitive (that is, Adrian try, but he never gain one of the LIs)

2 that I guess that like competition, but not sure about netorare and sharing.
 

BlasKyau

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In my case, if NTR and/or sharing are optional and relatively easy to avoid (it has been proposed that by winning the affection of LI), I don't mind them existing.

That said, netorare and sharing are two different things, and those who voted to include sharing will not necessarily accept that what is included is netorare, and those who want netorare out of competition or because they like it will not necessarily look favorably on sharing. The original proposal of the Dev is to include one or the other (either sharing or netorare), unless I have misread it, in which case I apologize, and for that reason I consider it appropriate to rate them separately.

In principle, all options are self-exclusive: if sharing is included there will be no NTR (netorare), and if there is NTR (netorare) there will be no sharing. So, which of the two should be included?
 
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Tiur

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Look, anyone who's read most of this thread knows my criticisms of the game and where I stand on it... But a lot of these claims are disingenuous, and I find myself in the position of having to defend Janamus. To declare my biases ahead of time: I voted for Eternum-style disinterest here, and only voted on Patreon to check the totals before removing my vote there.

The poll has six options:
NTR
Sharing
No NTR, Maybe Sharing (girls except Saefia reject Adrian)
No NTR or Sharing (girls reject Adrian)
No NTR or Sharing (Eternum version - Adrian pursues a non-LI)
No NTR or Sharing (Adrian dies)

the "Saefia-only" and "straight-up rejection" options are swapped in order, but I reordered them to make it make more sense as a spectrum from NTR to a no-other-dicks harem.

How people are interpreting any of these beyond the "kill him" as NTR just baffles me.

Anyway, at this time:
11 for NTR
11 for sharing
1 for Saefia-only
2 for rejection
5 for Eternum-style disinterest
27 for killing him off

So that's 23 total votes for some form of NTR or sharing, vs 34 total votes against any form of NTR or sharing.

Add in Patreon, where there are:
1 for NTR
1 for Sharing
0 for Saefia-only
1 for rejection
3 for Eternum-style disinterest
6 for killing him off

Combining the two, we've got 25 votes for some form of NTR or sharing, vs 44 votes against any form of NTR or sharing.

Claiming Janamus has "already decided" to include sharing or NTR, or claiming that the votes are rigged toward pro-NTR, are both disingenuous things to claim, and undermine your position significantly. Just be honest about your position and the opposing position.
 

MrDianhelo

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Look, anyone who's read most of this thread knows my criticisms of the game and where I stand on it... But a lot of these claims are disingenuous, and I find myself in the position of having to defend Janamus. To declare my biases ahead of time: I voted for Eternum-style disinterest here, and only voted on Patreon to check the totals before removing my vote there.

The poll has six options:
NTR
Sharing
No NTR, Maybe Sharing (girls except Saefia reject Adrian)
No NTR or Sharing (girls reject Adrian)
No NTR or Sharing (Eternum version - Adrian pursues a non-LI)
No NTR or Sharing (Adrian dies)

the "Saefia-only" and "straight-up rejection" options are swapped in order, but I reordered them to make it make more sense as a spectrum from NTR to a no-other-dicks harem.

How people are interpreting any of these beyond the "kill him" as NTR just baffles me.

Anyway, at this time:
11 for NTR
11 for sharing
1 for Saefia-only
2 for rejection
5 for Eternum-style disinterest
27 for killing him off

So that's 23 total votes for some form of NTR or sharing, vs 34 total votes against any form of NTR or sharing.

Add in Patreon, where there are:
1 for NTR
1 for Sharing
0 for Saefia-only
1 for rejection
3 for Eternum-style disinterest
6 for killing him off

Combining the two, we've got 25 votes for some form of NTR or sharing, vs 44 votes against any form of NTR or sharing.

Claiming Janamus has "already decided" to include sharing or NTR, or claiming that the votes are rigged toward pro-NTR, are both disingenuous things to claim, and undermine your position significantly. Just be honest about your position and the opposing position.
The dev has outlined his plans on how to add it in a very extensive and detailed post. It is not just a random idea. He then proceeded to have a poll to gauge how much interest for that kind of content there is, and there is quite a bit despite there being people also against it.

But as I said, most of those still play "avoidable" games, so they cry a bit about it and then keep playing, so he isn't losing anything by adding those options, just gaining.

Take that dude BlasKyau for example which is having a mental breakdown about the ntr, I've seen him in a lot of ntr themed games, as long as there is a bit of love route he sticks around, he can cry all he wants about ntr and such, at the end of the day he still plays it. So why be such a cry baby? Let him add ntr and just avoid it as you do in any other game you play
 

Greenbean33

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I understand the idea of splitting work can be bad, but if how you wanted to proceed with the game was adding NTR, I feel you should go with what you want if this is your vision. I do feel however it should be fully toggleable, and you'll need to make sure you put a lot of work into the non NTR option still so that that route doesn't feel lacking, especially since the original premise was pure harem. Like I said prior I like the idea of being able to work for the LIs, and having the pressure helps make the work worth it, but if you added it make sure it is completely optional.
 
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The_Ismand

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I still haven't decided if i am actually gonna play this one, but the reddit post intrigued me quite a bit. Posting here because the reddit thread is now dormant.

My position on the whole NTR debacle, including the definitions:
#1 = get cucked without consent, a betrayal cucking, a cruel cheating of your partner where he/she might leave you for a better lover
#2 = you steal someone's wife/gf/girl
#3 = plain cuckolding, cucking with consent, you are willing to be cucked and she has your blessing to cheat on you

The aspects of cheating, corrupting, stealing and sense of loss does nothing for me and thus i will always avoid 'rare and 'rase.
A single case or 2 of netori might interest me if taken seriously and not done in a cheap gimmicky fashion to attract attention and backers.

I wouldn't drop an AVN for including clearly marked optional NTR content.
At the same time i am a strong supporter of more polyamory in harem titles, at least inbetween the girls. Hyper-possesive and hypocritical MC's were always a bit of a boner-killer to me. That said, i would still want the girls in question to have good chemestry in the first place and so on.

As for Adrian? Well, i wouldn't be against sharing an LI or 2 with him (maybe him and Saefia enters an FWB relationship), provided that he would be taken seriously as a character, both by the crew and Janamus as the writer. Make him a character that MC would want to respect and allow him to be at least satisfied with the situation in some regard.

This however requires time and effort, that Janamus may prefer to spend elsewhere, and a certain skill level that most AVN devs just don't have (no offense).

Killing off someone that is supposed to be your ally is just sad. Especially if the only reason is to allow the reader to maintain his own megalomaniacal delusion of a power fantasy.

And as others have said already, introducing any kind of NTR or sharing this late in the developement is very risky.
The Eternum style best friend solution with a new girl is probably the optimal outcome. Adrian gets to be mostly happy/satisfied and thus will become a contributer to the teams efforts. The new girl can be written as to have reasons for prefering Adrian herself.
You could even make her modestly attractive, but that would definitely attract the ire of a vocal minority who consider even this to be NTR.

Still not sure if i end up playing. It looks like Funkelregen has a couple of my near-dealbreakers. The lore and story might be able to hook me for some time. We'll see.
 
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garyH

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My biggest issue with even optional, avoidable ntr is that it'll take time that could have otherwise been spent progressing the relationships of the MC with LI's and instead using that time to do the exact opposite.
The game was originally, if not advertised, at least presented as a harem game, a lone male MC isolated on a ship full of women who show at least a sexual, if not romantic, interest in him. It's understandable that the potential sudden introduction of NTR, the antithesis of the power fantasy that is the harem genre, is going to provoke and unhappy response from the people that have been following and supporting the game thus far. Trying to please everyone rarely ever seems to work out well.

Funkelregen is one of the few non-incest games that I've actually enjoyed and one of the even rarer few that I'd considered supporting. None of my comments come from a place of hatred, simply a concern that a game I've very much enjoyed to this point is soon going to change into something I won't enjoy at all anymore. At the end of the day, It's your game to make the way you want to, I just hope the end product is a game I still enjoy. Regardless of how things end up, I wish you luck in this and any future projects you work on.
 
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Janamus Sura

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My biggest issue with even optional, avoidable ntr is that it'll take time that could have otherwise been spent progressing the relationships of the MC with LI's and instead using that time to do the exact opposite.
Yes, I can see your worries, but currently the most exclusive option is clearly in the lead, which would even make the optional implementation of NTR impossible. So I guess, there's nothing to worry about...
 
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