Sorry, what? Are you asking or being sarcastic? (Legitimately asking what you mean)
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" Okay... TBH, the only puzzle that I expect in Ren'Py titles is, "What choices do I need to make to unlock all of this content?" "Love you Ava... Going to have to disagree with you here, dear. This is your "why, oh why" answer in my usual, mace blunt honest style... No malice or offence inferred or intended. This comment may not be suitable for all viewers. Viewer discretion is advised. Please don't hate me for being honest...
Okay... TBH, the only puzzle that I expect in Ren'Py titles is, "What choices do I need to make to unlock all of this content?" That is what Ren'Py does best, not these complex puzzles. The puzzles in this game may be simple once you know how to solve them but they are something that I would expect to see in Unity, RPGM, Unreal Engine and the like, not in a Ren'Py game.
TessaXYZ has already struck the perfect solution for the folks, like me who didn't enjoy these puzzles, especially their poor placement, by quickly introducing a story mode. That was perfect for me and I instantly apologized for having been such a curmudgeon at the time. In fact, I was elated! So, I am no longer complaining, merely addressing your question as to, "why?"
When puzzles are included in Ren'Py AVN titles, I expect them to be immersive, not something totally unrelated and alien to the subject matter. I also expect they not to be cock blocking chastity devices in the middle of an intimate moment. I see scrambled image puzzles featuring a sexy image of the girl who is about to be featured in the scene before an intimate moment but this is the first game that I ever saw a puzzle during an intimate moment. It totally broke my mood. I saw it as an affront to the sex appeal of the game rather than a challenge. I see a rather attractive woman about to pleasure herself and I am totally into that... then I see a puzzle that has no resemblance to anything sexy, just a box of connect the dots, essentially. Then I read that I could skip it but I lose the content that puzzle unlocks... Well, I lost it right there and ranted a blue streak in forum here on account. To give a hypothetical real world comparison would be like having your girl get you all worked up and wanting sex, then telling you that you have to complete the New York Times daily crossword before you can proceed or you can skip the puzzle but you have to turn out the lights and don't get to view her gorgeous body during the love making. THAT is how these puzzles came across to me. Not only are they un-immersive, they are poorly placed during intimate moments. THAT is why I was totally incensed into a raging rant, not the fact that there were puzzles. Once an intimate scene begins the only interaction I expect is to click to advance frame, choose the next position and where I want to climax. Once the beautiful woman is naked and getting into the mood, there should be no more puzzles, only joy, pleasure, bliss, lots of orgasms and maybe a good "O" face shot before the final climax. Break that up at your peril. The ads are placed before and/or after the sex in porn videos for the same reason. Once you start the sexy part, you do not stop for anything.
I don't really enjoy puzzles in these types of titles (too much like actual work for me, I can do them, it's just not fun) but where they are placed and what type of puzzle games are employed has everything to do with my reaction to them, like a sorting puzzle to complete an otherwise mundane task, a computer based puzzle to simulate hacking a terminal or even puzzles like this game has to unlock all of the naughty content in the upcoming chapter and I would learn to solve the puzzle and solve it without complaint. Would I enjoy it? Not really but I would do them without complaining and maybe even gain a bit of satisfaction in finding the solution. But, putting them in once the intimate scene has started? Aw Hell No! I actually took that placement as an insult, hence my rather volatile initial reaction. Again, if the puzzle were placed in front of the sexy scene rather than during, my reaction would have been much softer. I still would not like having to run a puzzle with no relationship to the sex scene before getting to the sexy part but my reaction would have been softer. However, losing content due to skipping the puzzle and having the puzzle in the middle of the sexy part were both deal breakers for me.
Okay... not going back into rant mode... this has been solved with the introduction of story mode. I hope my answer made sense to you, dear friend. I do not mean to insult you or anyone with this opinion because it is just that, MY opinion. No one else need share it and I do not force my opinions on anyone else.
Again, love you Ava. Hope you are well. Adventure ever on my friend, Phat
PS: HUGE Thanks to TessaXYZ for this wonderfully enchanting and engrossing story! Huge Thanks for story mode too! I am chomping at the bit like a prized stallion for your next installment! LOVE this story!!!
I think this is because of an overall failure from the medium and the creators in the medium to take on creative risks, rather than something that should be a core requirement for Renpy games. Unlocking the content isn't a puzzle; it's often just an exercise in frustration. The vast majority of Renpy games fall into two buckets: (1) gameplay offers meaningless choices, and (2) sandbox that pads the game with repetitive, dull scenes on the offchance that finally a new dialogue option appears. And if you ask me, it's an absolute shame that people have accepted this to be as far as the medium can go.
"I expect them to be immersive, not something totally unrelated and alien to the subject matter"
Perhaps I should have been more on the nose about it in the game, but it's not totally unrelated. In these sequences, Jenny is focusing on something (in this case, Daydreaming). This will be even more apparent in the other puzzle types, which map onto other themes that also require "focus". So the puzzles are a metaphor for her successfully focusing on that thing. Could I have been more thematic with some image of "neurons"? Maybe. But it's not totally out of left field. It's a cerebral and puzzle equivalent of rolling a d20 to succeed at an initiative. The analogue would be to say "I'm playing D&D to roleplay, not to roll dice!" Well, rolling dice is the metaphor for an attempt in the game, just like the puzzles are metaphors for whether Jenny completes her thoughts (or her actions in later puzzle types).
Relatedly, all the highlighted pieces now show a preview of the following sequence, rather than just appear as a solid color.
"they are poorly placed during intimate moments; Once the beautiful woman is naked and getting into the mood, there should be no more puzzles"
This is the one criticism of it that I think is absolutely valid even for all the players who enjoyed the puzzles. Daydream 1 and 2 were fine, but I do agree that Daydream 3 was a bit egregious here. Moving forward, all puzzles are at the start of an erotic sequence, not in the middle of it.
" PS: HUGE Thanks to TessaXYZ for this wonderfully enchanting and engrossing story! Huge Thanks for story mode too! I am chomping at the bit like a prized stallion for your next installment! LOVE this story!!!
"Working every day on the next update! More info soon
I indeed have it in my notes to possibly include an Easy Mode for people who want extra clues, though I need to do some more testing to see if it's worth the effort. I probably won't add it for the next release, since I don't want to delay it any more than I need to, but I should have some bandwidth in v0.06 to give it some proper attention.Another option would be to include something along the lines of easy/hard modes, and let the players decide for themselves.
That way you also get to 'scratch the itch' of creating the puzzles, keeping you mentally engaged in the process.
Some folks can operate on a sort of mental 'cruise control' without the quality of their work suffering.
Some folks need a challenge or their mind starts to wander and their quality slips.
Figure out which you are and plan the game development accordingly
December 3, 2022:
v0.04 is about 70% complete. It's a pretty massive update. More info soon!
v0.04 is about 70% complete. It's a pretty massive update. More info soon!
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IMO the explanation of the puzzles could do with some trimming down.
By the time it's explained rule 3, I forgot wtf I was doing.
By the end of the fourth rule explanation, I was thinking "So am I going to actually get to do this at some point?"
Or maybe the rules could be introduced at a slower pace.
That's really my only criticism so far. Not the puzzles themselves but the overly verbose explanations.
All they did was make me even more confused but I am glad I did them anyway. I feel so smrt now.
By the time it's explained rule 3, I forgot wtf I was doing.
By the end of the fourth rule explanation, I was thinking "So am I going to actually get to do this at some point?"
Or maybe the rules could be introduced at a slower pace.
That's really my only criticism so far. Not the puzzles themselves but the overly verbose explanations.
All they did was make me even more confused but I am glad I did them anyway. I feel so smrt now.
Noted, it's something I can definitely revisit at some point. I'd be concerned about overcorrecting though, by not showing how the logic works step-by-step for people who might need that at first.
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I like this game and am looking forward to the next update.
Me personally also like the puzzles, they are a nice addition to the normal VN flow of following the story and making a decision here and there. But yes, I can understand that some may find them slowing down the game flow - therefore its pretty nice that Tessa added the option to skip them.
Another very positive point for me is, that the females don't all have huge tits and instead there is a nice variety in appearance and styles.
As mentioned I'm looking forward to the next update and hope its not too far in the future.
Me personally also like the puzzles, they are a nice addition to the normal VN flow of following the story and making a decision here and there. But yes, I can understand that some may find them slowing down the game flow - therefore its pretty nice that Tessa added the option to skip them.
Another very positive point for me is, that the females don't all have huge tits and instead there is a nice variety in appearance and styles.
As mentioned I'm looking forward to the next update and hope its not too far in the future.
I'm indeed aiming to have a believable and varied mix of body types. Some will have A-cups, some will have H-cups. Some will be short, others tall. Some thin, some thicc. Something for everyone
Soon!(TM)
I can see the finish line for this next update.
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should add a sadism tag on account of the timing of that third puzzle.
You're not wrong! Other people have made similar comments. Moving forward, puzzles are only at the start of an erotic sequence and never right in the middle of one.
I am proud to finally be able to announce the release dates for Futagenesis Unveiled v0.04!
This chapter starts to really unfold the bigger story, and I'm super excited to share it with you all!
This chapter starts to really unfold the bigger story, and I'm super excited to share it with you all!
Futagenesis Unveiled v0.04 is now available in early access over on Patreon!
Public release: ~January 19.
Public release: ~January 19.
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Thank you for the update and continued commitment to timely releases of quality content, my friend.
Thank you for story mode, a wonderfully delightful and sexy story, fabulously rendered characters and being directly involved with your growing fanbase here in forums. All these things work together to make you one of my favorite devs, the best of the best.
Adventure ever on my friend, Phat
v0.04 is now publicly available in the top post! (Still pending promotion to Latest Updates, but links are updated)
Thank you to all my supporters for making this project possible. And if you love this VN, please consider becoming a supporter as well! Don't forget to share your thoughts here and/or on Discord afterwards!
Thank you to all my supporters for making this project possible. And if you love this VN, please consider becoming a supporter as well! Don't forget to share your thoughts here and/or on Discord afterwards!
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WOW!!!
Tessa my friend, you certainly do NOT disappoint!!! Solar flare HOT update!!!
HUGE Thanks for story mode!!!
Bravo working in some intrigue with two different sets of mysterious women that are keeping tabs and have an interest in our sweet Jenny. You've left me with more questions than answers with this update but that is fine because that has me chomping at the bit like a prized stallion for more, more, more!!!
Special kudos for the incredibly hot dream scenes at the beach, the sexy madness in the changing room and I'm pretty sure those jet skis are STILL ablaze and burning bright like signal fires out on the ocean from Jenny, Paige and Ashley's inferno of sexy escapades out on the open water!!!
Hands down, you have the absolute best rendered characters of any AVN I have played. It's really late now so I'm about to pass out for the night but I plan to replay all the content again tomorrow from the start just to see it all again... Yes! It is THAT awesome! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!
Adventure ever on, Phat