Ren'Py Abandoned Garden of Eden [v0.3] [Team SinTaRa]

[Sinister99]

The next update is also going to be mostly that content according to the patreon, it seems that will be the main direction of the game from this point forward.

I’m glad you checked out our game and I hoped you liked the improvements on Renpy, but just to let you know that NTR is not the main focus of the game. There is only going to be a very small amount of scenes for that path. It is also very easily avoidable so you don’t have anything to worry about we still have plenty of new scenes being made that focus on Daniel’s main story path.

 

[Sinister99]

Except that isn't why this is happening, its just to add a fetish that will take up more of the games resources while of course doing what it always does when you try to mix two fanbases that hate each other together. Cause drama and anger because resources are being used in a direction that both sides hate when the update isn't catering to them. They should have stuck with the original focus of the game, or just made an NTR game from the start. If you want to make a niche fetish game, then do it. Unless you have boundless resources you shouldn't be attempting to combine things like this together, its going to screw you over more often than not.

This isn't the early patreon days, when you can throw anything out and basically pull a Summertime saga. I've noticed that generally the games that attempt to two face cater to multiple group like this just don't work very well anymore unless they were one of the first people on the scene in the early days. People just get sick of waiting for the update of the thing THEY cared about and just go be a patreon to the game that is focused on that one thing. In the case of this game, its going to be waiting months for an update, only for it to be NTR only and everyone not into that is going to be pissed and have to wait for months for their update. Then the non NTR update will happen and all of the people that wanted NTR are going to be pissed that they have to wait yet another 4 months for content. Even if the Dev does something like well, I'll just make sure my updates have both. Then both sides just get equally pissed every 4 months because its just one ntr scene and one non NTR scene and the updates feel small as hell because the two sides don't care about other sides content. It's a stupid strategy, unless you have a lot of resources to pump up content extremely rapidly it only hurts you and very few of these devs can do that. Hence why most games like this just end up abandoned.

Hello I’m one of the devs for this game, sorry to hear you have some misunderstandings with the game. First off Ntr is NOT the main focus of the game in this recent update only 1 Ntr scene was added and compared to the other 10 normal scenes it is very small. From when we 1st started the game it was our plan to have Brad (the blonde guy) to be your rival, and you will be in a fight against him to keep win over the girls before he can. To make it so that the people are even more aware of the consequences we decided to introduce Ntr into the game. But again it is easily avoidable and not the main focus. So I hope you understand and will still give our game a try.

 

[Sinister99]

Ah shit game got the cursed tag
*puts of fire and leaves*

Hello I’m one of the admins of the game. Please don’t worry the Ntr is not forced nor is it the main focus of the game. From the get go of the game you turn it off as its only meant to be a sort of challenge to keep you on your toes when fighting against Brad your rival character. Our main focus of the game is still to have MC romanticize the girls.

 

[SpecterX]

Wait, the girl already has a boyfriend? I haven't touched the game yet, but if so... Stares at everyone that are crying about NTR.

Not trying to add more to the ntr thing, yes she is his girlfriend.
In this case, it is debatable, not only does it look like he is cheating but it seems that he doesn't plan to stop with the sister. He said something cryptic that could mean that he plans to go after her friend who can be another love interest

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I think he will serve as an antagonist who will take the girls if we make bad decisions.And he may not be alone I mean we meet the mom when she taught she was seeing an escort
I hope it is just optional or at least they make sharing/swinging it not avoidable, just not netorare
I haven't played the Unity version so I may be wrong. I'm still interested in the game and I'll stay to see where it goes from here.
Edit: Dev post when I was writing and now I feel stupid

 

[Yare Yare]

Looking forward to this one, incest and ntr always a win in my eyes <3

 

[Sinister99]

I wouldn’t doubt it, the scenes seem a little tacked on and come out of nowhere considering the content of the first release and the mood for the rest of the story.

They don’t have a lot of patrons at the moment, I wonder if a few of them were really pushing for NTR. They make the scenes easy to avoid or see them if you want, so I’m happy with their plan so far.

Edit: Just realized that NTR will dominate the release content in the next update too. Nevermind, not a fan of the plan. I thought it would just be a few scenes here and there, not that it would occupy all of the early development time.

Hello I’m one of the devs for the game. It seems people are making misunderstandings. First off Ntr is not the main focus of the game. There has only been 1 singular scene so far compared to the 10 main story scenes we have already you can see its very small. In our next update there is only going to be 1 more Ntr scene added on while you will get 4 main story scenes that have nothing to do with NTR so please understand our main focus is NOT Ntr but Daniel’s romaniticizig the girls. If you wish to ask us questions or know more please join our discord (

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[Sinister99]

Not trying to add more to the ntr thing, yes she is his girlfriend.
In this case, it is debatable, not only does it look like he is cheating but it seems that he doesn't plan to stop with the sister. He said something cryptic that could mean that he plans to go after her friend who can be another love interest

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I think he will serve as an antagonist who will take the girls if we make bad decisions.And he may not be alone I mean we meet the mom when she taught she was seeing an escort
I hope it is just optional or at least they make sharing/swinging it not avoidable, just not netorare
I haven't played the Unity version so I may be wrong. I'm still interested in the game and I'll stay to see where it goes from here.
Edit: Dev post when I was writing and now I feel stupid

Yup you are correct my good person and don’t worry it is completely optional and from the start of the game can be turned off. Hopefully you’ll still be interested in checking the game out.

 

[King0761]

What's the deference between RenPy v0.1 and Unity v0.3?

 

[Chalker]

I’m glad you checked out our game and I hoped you liked the improvements on Renpy, but just to let you know that NTR is not the main focus of the game. There is only going to be a very small amount of scenes for that path. It is also very easily avoidable so you don’t have anything to worry about we still have plenty of new scenes being made that focus on Daniel’s main story path.

Appreciate the insight,
But I believe that response doesn't avail the negative impacts of such a narrative or developmental choice. The reason most people will be discouraged and/or no longer interested is not that they can choose that path, but because it implies the characters are comfortable and okay with going behind the MCs back when the situation is convenient or it presents itself. This is even more reinforced when the characters are more than willing to sleep with someone else but force the MC to jump through hoops and obstacles to get the chance to.

In our next update there is only going to be 1 more Ntr scene added on while you will get 4 main story scenes that have nothing to do with NTR

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This isn't very clearly expressed in the dev blog, and it seems almost contrary.

Nevertheless,
it's your game and I wish you success regardless.

 

[Sinister99]

I wish there was a scene list or gallery or something cuz idk what to do to get what

Hello I’m one of the devs. We are actually working on trying to get a functional gallery working. It takes a bit of effort mainly because the coding can be quite buggy at times but the next patch we release will hopefully take care of that.

 

[Sinister99]

What's the deference between RenPy v0.1 and Unity v0.3?

Actually there seems to be some mistagging we actually have never used Unity, the program before was Tyrano which was very buggy and we decided to switch to Renpy to help us out a lot as the community is very big and it’s very universal with people to help.

 

[chickenwangs]

Hello, Im just curious on who is the artist for this game?

 

[Sinister99]

So it seems this got the NTR tag. Has the dev told if it's going to be all avoidable or just skippable? Just want to know if I should just let this game go or not.

Hello I’m one of the devs please be assured that the Ntr is completely avoidable and there is even an option to have it turned off. Do not worry it is NOT our main focus there has only been 1 so far and there will only be a small limited amount. If you have any other question feel free to join our discord (

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[Sinister99]

Its not going to entice me to back the game if they just add on NTR to chase fast cuck bux. Sad if that's the case as reading the full thread, it wasn't ever stated it was part of the plan.

Just found this game, so its kinda a "meh" situation if so. A lot of good games with NTR out there. Tacking it on is half assed. Especially if its their first game. Go all in like Saimin Seishidou or something or dont bother at all. It just annoys people who like quality NTR and vanilla at the same time.

It looks even worse if its your first project you're asking people to back you and you're just adding fetishes seemingly to chase money that probably isn't even out there, and alienates prospective backers (me) on top of it.

We've seen at least a dozen at a minimum devs tack on fetishes because they thought itd mean those people would suddenly show up cash in hand (not just ntr of course), forgetting it'd possibly annoy existing backers. Most of those now have another tag on here too.... [Abandoned].

Content creep is real. stick to your plan. You can always do another game, a sequel/prequel or add it on after your core game you intended is done. That's my advice if that one guy saying theyre part of the team working on this still reads this thread. Who knows, a separate work based on it might even be better than this one.

Hello I’m one of the devs. I’m sorry to hear you have such a problem with us adding Ntr, but I would like to explain that it was not just “tacked on” randomly. From the get go we planned to do something like this as Brad (the blonde guy you meet at college) is supposed to be your rival and you will have to face him to win the love of the 3 main girls. If you don’t do anything then he will take them but again it is completely avoidable for those who don’t like it. If you have any other questions then please let us know through our discord (

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[King0761]

What's the deference between RenPy v0.1 and Unity v0.3?

 

[Sinister99]

Appreciate the insight,
But I believe that response doesn't avail the negative impacts of such a narrative or developmental choice. The reason most people will be discouraged and/or no longer interested is not that they can choose that path, but because it implies the characters are comfortable and okay with going behind the MCs back when the situation is convenient or it presents itself. This is even more reinforced when the characters are more than willing to sleep with someone else but force the MC to jump through hoops and obstacles to get the chance to.

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This isn't very clearly expressed in the dev blog, and it seems almost contrary.

Nevertheless,
it's your game and I wish you success regardless.

I understand where your coming from we knew something like this would happen even if we added just a small amount of Ntr, nevertheless it is small and avoidable so hopefully people will see through that. Also on the other thing you said, that’s what makes the game that more “intense” because if you slack off Brad will use his charm and manipulative ways to coerce the girls into those situations. That’s what makes him a tough rival. Sure MC has to go through a tougher route to win them but it is a pure love then a lustful one. Thanks again for your wishes and we’ll try our best to keep going strong.

 

[Sinister99]

1) It implies the characters are okay with cheating if the opportunity arises.
2) This Means the developer(s) is focusing on the content you don't want to see, and you have to wait longer for the content you came for.

Story wise the characters are only like that because Brad is a charming and manipulative person that will force them into those situations using lust over love. And as for the 2nd thing again Ntr is NOT our focus it is only a side line thing that will be added in 1 at a time and have a small limited amount of scenes and will not take away from our main story scenes effort.

 

[Sinister99]

It wasn't made public that the tag would be added. The first mention of it being added was in April of this year, while the project started in September last year.

Things like this are very discouraging to see in h-games. It demonstrates a lack of sense of direction.
The developer group is constantly flip-flopping between three of their frankly barely started games which all have less content than your average demo, and the developer liking comments calling people who don't like these new decision incels all do not spark any confidence either.

Unfortunately we don’t have any control of this specific F95zone page so we couldn’t preemptively put that tag into the game. And for us trying to balance 3 games Student affairs was a game Tams did by himself at first but due to issues with him and his artist they weren’t able to continue it, he tried to release another update recently to see if he could bring it back but sadly the artist takes awhile to do the art because of how busy they are. Love life resort was my project that was on the side an was only meant to be a short VN series so that’s why it’s so small, but due to my artist health problems we’ll have to finish on the episode 3 and shelf until they get better. And for now GoE is our main focus and we’ll be trying our best to get updates out faster. Also that was my bad on liking that specific post I was trying to like the one underneath whether you believe that or not that is up to you so apologies.

 

[Chalker]

Unfortunately we don’t have any control of this specific F95zone page so we couldn’t preemptively put that tag into the game. And for us trying to balance 3 games Student affairs was a game Tams did by himself at first but due to issues with him and his artist they weren’t able to continue it, he tried to release another update recently to see if he could bring it back but sadly the artist takes awhile to do the art because of how busy they are. Love life resort was my project that was on the side an was only meant to be a short VN series so that’s why it’s so small, but due to my artist health problems we’ll have to finish on the episode 3 and shelf until they get better. And for now GoE is our main focus and we’ll be trying our best to get updates out faster. Also that was my bad on liking that specific post I was trying to like the one underneath whether you believe that or not that is up to you so apologies.

You can request developer status on the forum, as well as ownership of the thread, it really helps in the long run if you do for obvious reasons. I am aware of how hard it is to make a product if you do not have the funding and don't have a dedicated staff team, but it's a common trend to see new developers spread themselves too thin with overly ambitious/multiple projects.
Also, my apologies if any of my posts came across as hostile, it wasn't my intent.
Once again, best wishes and good luck in the future.

 

[Sinister99]

You can request developer status on the forum, as well as ownership of the thread, it really helps in the long run if you do for obvious reasons. I am aware of how hard it is to make a product if you do not have the funding and don't have a dedicated staff team, but it's a common trend to see new developers spread themselves too thin with overly ambitious/multiple projects.
Also, my apologies if any of my posts came across as hostile, it wasn't my intent.
Once again, best wishes and good luck in the future.

No worries mate you have legitimate reasons for criticism/feedback we started off rocky but now we got a more structured plan and path we’re going to follow. We’re starting to get a more stable fanbase and as long as we can keep that then the game will surely live and succeed. Just give it another year or so and hopefully we’ll be much bigger than now. Also thanks for letting me know about the request for ownership must might be helpful to do. Thanks again for your wishes and hopefully when you come back the game will much be much bigger and something you can like.