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VN Ren'Py Completed Gargoyles, The beast and the Bitch [Alx & Khronos]

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Fuckit

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I'd like to address this "they are."

I was a patron. When it became clear you had no intention of providing the game I'd been sponsoring you for since its inception, I stopped.
Which is your prerogative and the right thing to do. And I appreciate the support you gave me for however long it lasted.
I'm sorry you didn't get behind the other productions I put together while we are waiting. I know you are not alone in this. But there's very little I can do about that, I gave it my best shot.

That being said, the point was; I still have the support of the vast majority of my patrons and still gaining new ones. I'm not saying this to polish my own horn, but only to address the point that I'm not respecting my followers because I refuse to harass a depressed man I respect dearly, or refuse to kick him off a project he was part of from the beginning, and would never had seen the light of days without him. Which couldn't be further form the truth. I keep working none stop since then, on the Hogwarts game first and then on the comics. as I said, I'm trying to get the best out of a bad situation. and I still believe that I made the right choice and that BvB2 will be released, even if I cannot give you a time scheme. I wouldn't be here if I had no intention to release it, I would just concentrate on my comics and ignore the complaints about a failed project. If I am here, it is because I have every intention to see it through.

I think I said my peace on this subject. and this will be my final entry about this until there is a changes of status.
Thanks for the interest in my game. I'm still gonna be around to answer any questions you guys might have.
Alx
 

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Which is your prerogative and the right thing to do. And I appreciate the support you gave me for however long it lasted.
I'm sorry you didn't get behind the other productions I put together while we are waiting. I know you are not alone in this. But there's very little I can do about that, I gave it my best shot.

That being said, the point was; I still have the support of the vast majority of my patrons and still gaining new ones. I'm not saying this to polish my own horn, but only to address the point that I'm not respecting my followers because I refuse to harass a depressed man I respect dearly, or refuse to kick him off a project he was part of from the beginning, and would never had seen the light of days without him. Which couldn't be further form the truth. I keep working none stop since then, on the Hogwarts game first and then on the comics. as I said, I'm trying to get the best out of a bad situation. and I still believe that I made the right choice and that BvB2 will be released, even if I cannot give you a time scheme. I wouldn't be here if I had no intention to release it, I would just concentrate on my comics and ignore the complaints about a failed project. If I am here, it is because I have every intention to see it through.

I think I said my peace on this subject. and this will be my final entry about this until there is a changes of status.
Thanks for the interest in my game. I'm still gonna be around to answer any questions you guys might have.
Alx
"I'm sorry you didn't get behind the other productions I put together while we are waiting."

What other productions? Do you mean the Hogwarts game? I absolutely WOULD have stayed a patron if you'd have released BvB2 in a timely fashion and then went on to work on that, but as it is now there's a saying that begins with "fool me once" that's appropriate here.

And no, I'm not suggesting that you're disrespecting your followers by doing whatever melodramatic straw man you're going on about. No, you disrespected your followers when you said, "We are NOT a business. I take donations, not payments. This is Patreon, not kickstarter. This is a tip jar, not an investment.

So stop complaining already! This is free stuff Khronoss and I make. All you need to do is wait a while to enjoy it. There is thousand of other games on this forum for you to enjoy in the meantime. Still. I appreciate your eagerness. I take it as a compliment for my work."

You're clearly stating that you feel no loyalty to your past patrons because, since they could have got it for free if they just waited, they were suckers to pay you all along. And now in your reply to me you reveal, since a majority haven't jumped ship and you're gaining new ones, why feel any remorse? "Hey, it was always a tip jar, never a transaction. Tough. Shit."

But yeah, that was your last "entry" on this topic so go ahead and ignore this post and carry on as usual. You've turned a deaf ear to all past criticism. I don't know why I even bothered saying more than "lol."

Man, you're a talented artist. I have enjoyed your pictures but they're not what I sponsored you for. You're being dragged down by your "friend." If he's incapable of following through on his promise to YOU, it's not right for you to then piss on your patrons and shrug like you have no control of the situation. I wasn't HIS fucking patron, I was yours. But, you know, whatever.
 
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Does anyone know how to get her to use the dildo?
 

Sonico

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Does anyone know how to get her to use the dildo?
You just need her to be on a kinky mood - she'll recognize it by the fact she's biting her lip. To get her there you just need to bark for her about 6 times, maybe sniff her crotch once or twice after that (barking 8 times also does the trick).
That done you just click on the spot between the books the dildo is hidden - "pulll on it" and "give it back to her" to just enjoy the show.
 

nissan

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I wasn't HIS fucking patron, I was yours
Point blank. Gotta say i like the fact that i'm not the only one having that thought in the head.
The production issues are to be carried by the frontline artist. And honestly, the time of a patient wait is long gone.

Btw, Patreon has the pay per game update feature. I'd like to see how much that tip jar would carry with a more realistic approach to anticipated matters.

PS. A tip is usually given to someone for a service: a street musician amuses the crowd, a waitress serving the clients, or a bartender pouring a drink.... all the other has a term of charity.


Here's a screenshot from Patreon. Just to make the newcomers and the oldcomers feel how much does it take to produce
a game via RenPy.

Somewhere around the announcement and real "in works".
Screenshot 2018-10-20 at 22.42.04.png

Where we are today. Oct 16, 2018!
Just judging by the statement itself, feels like a failed project.

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Fuckit

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I tough I said my peace. The reason I said it was going to be my last entry is that I felt I was only repeating myself by answering every post. But you are addressing a few important points that I think I need to address. I’m not turning a death ear to your criticisms. Even if we disagree on the solutions.

First let me say, I didn’t think that you where the one suggesting I was disrespecting my supporters. I wrote a response that both encompassed your comment and address passed comments from Nissan, to which I had already answered, but that are still nagging me. It’s hard in a discussion like this not to get carried away. I’m sorry if I made you feel like I was attacking you on this.

I’m also sorry if the way I wrote my profile on Patreon made you think you where buying, or investing in something, or if wade you think I would only concentrate on games. It’s true that my profile is very game heavy, simply because those are my dream projects, the biggest ones, it was never meant as the only thing I was going to work on. But my profile should be clearer about this, and it will be, now that you made me realized it.

As for: “You're clearly stating that you feel no loyalty to your past patrons because, since they could have got it for free if they just waited, they were suckers to pay you all along. And now in your reply to me you reveal, since a majority haven't jumped ship and you're gaining new ones, why feel any remorse?” That couldn’t be further from the truth.

First let’s address the remorse. Do I feel remorse? Every day. Do I lose sleep about it? No. Why? Because I don’t see this as a failed project yet; just one that is put on hold until Khronoss is back on his feet. And from our conversations he is slowly getting there. This is a hiatus… a long one, but ultimately, just a bump in the road.

As I said before I survived two depressions in my adult life, and I know how it impossibly paralyzing these events were for me. If his inability to perform at the moment is dragging me down, I’ll support him until he can swim or at least just before I’m also getting close to drowning. Especially since supporting him mostly mean waiting in this case. Luckily I get the support of most of my followers on this. Some like you felt the need to leave before that point. And it’s ok, the way I addressed this situation is my choice and if you disagree with it, it is perfectly ok for you to leave and voice your indignation. Let me say again: Without your support this game would never see the light of day, I really don’t know who you where on my patreon, when you left or how much you gave, but whatever it was; is important. don't think it wasn’t the case.

As for the tip jar situation: well… this is what Patreon is; a site where an artist can get supports form other peoples to work on what he loves. It’s very clear in the guidelines; it is a tip jar, it’s not an investment site, and you should not sell anything on it, all your work must remain free. Early releases, and other forms of rewards for some tiers is acceptable, but let’s face it, I lot of creators are abusing it. I’m not.

My stuff is free for all; The game is going to have a 1 month early release for the patrons, but other than that, everyone will be able to fully play it. That doesn’t mean I think the supporters are suckers, on the contrary, I see them as very generous peoples without whom I could never do what I do, as much as I do. And I tried to give to the next guy by also supporting a bunch of talented creators the same way, as well as give back to my supporter as much as I can, by continually working on projects like the comics and the next game. I don’t take them for granted and I’m continuously trying to improve my “services” ( for a lack of a better word ) to them, and try hard to get their inputs on future projects. But there is no way for me to please everyone. I lose and gains some every days. I lost a bunch, like you, who felt that I should kick out Khronoss and get a new programmer, I lost another bunch when people realized that the next game wasn’t going to be about a beast trying to fuck a hot girl ( they tough it was my niche ). But I also received a good numbers of PM supporting my decision to stick with Khronoss, as well as for planning something different for my games. Ultimately I gained more support than I lost on this, I now have a new bunch that are only there for the comics ( the Star Wars stuff mostly ) and I’ll probably lose a few of those when I’m ready to go back on a game. Doesn't mean that I don't respect them. but it is inevitable that I will, at some point, work on something else. I have different interests that I thinks people will like, and different types of patrons that like different type of projects. This situation isn’t perfect; I’m trying to do the best I can. But ultimately, I can only concentrate on the ones who stay.

And by the way, as a past Patron, PM me when I release the game, and i'll send you the early release. you earned it.
Hope it help clear things up
 

Fuckit

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PS. A tip is usually given to someone for a service: a street musician amuses the crowd, a waitress serving the clients, or a bartender pouring a drink.... all the other has a term of charity.
yes... yes it is... this is exactly what Patreon is! and my approach to it: I produce stuff for free. if you like it you are welcome to support my work with a donation for however long you want. and leave if you think that my new stuff isn't for you anymore. I will keep working. But if you think that my work outside of game production isn't part of the "services" I provide, and isn't worth the tip jar treatment, I don't know what to tell you.

That being said. I still truly believe that I owe this game to my patrons ( past and present ), hence why I'm still here defending the fact that it is not a failed project. it's not a failed project as long as I'll decide that I want to see it through. however long it take.
 

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yes... yes it is... this is exactly what Patreon is! and my approach to it: I produce stuff for free. if you like it you are welcome to support my work with a donation for however long you want. and leave if you think that my new stuff isn't for you anymore. I will keep working

That being said. I still truly believe that I owe this game to my patrons ( past and present ), hence why I'm still here defending the fact that it is not a failed project. it's not a failed project as long as I'll decide that I want to see it through.
Pardon my asking but will there be any endings containing pregnancy like the previous game did? Or will the new game make a nod to this in some way?
 

nissan

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I produce stuff for free.
I was hoping you're mature enough not to spread deceit around.
You produce the stuff worth the Patreon money collected every month. You do not work for free.
This mantra of yours is not working. You're not like Van Gogh living in poverty...


if you like it you are welcome to support my work with a donation for however long you want.
I did donate until i saw some questionable work ethics.

it's not a failed project as long as I'll decide that I want to see it through.
It will be great to know if the factual reality wont crack the emotional perception.
Moreover, can't follow how do you feel you owe something and then state it depends on your decision on seeing it complete. You've got a mess inside your head.

Based on the facts like "i did't ask about the progress" for weeks now, i don't feel how anyone can relate to anything you say. False promises cost less that nothing.
 
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Pardon my asking but will there be any endings containing pregnancy like the previous game did? Or will the new game make a nod to this in some way?
Just like the last game, pregnancy is part of the endings. Meaning that you can impregnate both girls but it will only show in the ending section. I would have loved for it to be part of the actual game, and take your ending from the last game to influence this new one, but considering the amount of work it represented ( meaning redrawing every assets ), we went against it

I'm still hoping to find a good solution to that problem and bring impregnation into the Hogwarts game. ^^
 

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I'm still here defending the fact that it is not a failed project. it's not a failed project as long as I'll decide that I want to see it through. however long it take.
Not every complaint is legitimate. At some point defending yourself is inappropriate, learn to let go of fruitless discussions.
 
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Fuckit

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I was hoping you're mature enough not to spread deceit around.
You produce the stuff worth the Patreon money collected every month. You do not work for free.
This mantra of yours is not working. You're not like Van Gogh living in poverty...
Please, stop purposely misinterpreting my words.
I work for free, because
1- my work is free for all,
2-and would have been produced anyway without their support ( maybe no as many of it, but still )
I've been drawing smut and putting it for free on the net for 20 years. Meanwhile I use to have other jobs and took commissions that pay the rent, but I never stopped to draw my xxx and let the net have it without asking anything in return. I am now lucky to have supporter that are allowing me do it full time. thanks to the tip jar that is Patreon. So yes, they are "paying me" by supporting me. I'm lucky to have them and will keep working to keep them happy.

by the way, get your references strait, Van Gogh had patrons

I did donate until i saw some questionable work ethics.
thank you, sincerely! as I said, leaving is your prerogative, so was voicing your grievances ( to which I think I tryied to answer every point in a respectful manners). Blasting me none stop is a bit much.


It will be great to know if the factual reality wont crack the emotional perception.
Moreover, can't follow how do you feel you owe something and then state it depends on your decision on seeing it complete. You've got a mess inside your head.
I still think I owe the game to my patrons because I got so much support on it. it's an emotional response, a responsibility I believe I have; to deliver on this project: both because of the amount of money people like you gave to me while I was actively working on it, as well as respect to the shear amount of work both Khronoss and I put on it. But yes, In the end, it will be my decision to let it die if I decide that it's is a failed projects. I'm NOT. I was very clear about that. don't try to see contradiction and failed judgement where there is none Sophocles.

Based on the facts like "i did't ask about the progress" for weeks now, i don't feel how anyone can relate to anything you say. False promises cost less that nothing.
If you're informed enough to know this quote, you should be informed enough to know what this quote was about, especially since a good chuck of it is due to you. Last week was pretty crazy for me, 1- I was attack on a forum, 2- the cat got hit by a car and I ended up spending a day at the vet, 3- the bedbugs came back, life did not gave me any brake last week... all of which was reported on my patreon. so no, on top of that I didn't think to ask my friend how he was doing that week and if he worked on my game or not.

You should also know that I didn't wrote it down for weeks ( as you suggested). While it is something that come in from time to time ( since I won't simply harass the guy every week just to make him feel like shit... I mostly cheek on him once a month), the last month was mostly positive on the game issue since we had the testing process and as well as new built.

I'm updating on Bvb2 when I have something to say. and since we had the testing process not so long ago, yes I tough that this little status update ( however empty it was ) was important. because yes, in an effort to be 100% transparent, I report even on my failures to provides. even if I have a tendency to overshare.

I know I wont win you back to my cause, but i'm trying, really hard, to correct your misinterpretations of the situation.
 

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I just hope at the end of the day when BVB2 finally releases (If it ever does) you will drop Khronos if he doesn't become more reliable. Also I hate to be this guy, but It annoys me to no end that Khronos keeps saying he wants to go through with the project and not deliver. If whatever hes going through is debilitating that he cant finish the last 5% within however many months it has been I feel like he should just pass the torch. I understand that hes been there from the beginning but this is getting out of hand.
 
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nissan

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1- I was attack on a forum, 2- the cat got hit by a car and I ended up spending a day at the vet, 3- the bedbugs came back, life did not gave me any brake last week.
Is this for real? Lol. Not being able to take criticism around how you deliver your project for more than 1,5 years got you knocked out.

Listen, there's plenty of professionals on Patreon in the field of programming for RenPy. I can't believe that five percent (as referred by you) is more than a 100$ or a week of work. Is that an unbearable sum for you to pay to a contractor, doubt it.

Now, your constant and deliberate denial of finding an alternative solution to deliver by the obligations you made to the people that support you, actually put this little friend of yours over your word and over the people that pay you.
That makes any sane person think, that the game actually is very raw or maybe is not even coded at all.

but i'm trying, really hard, to correct your misinterpretations of the situation.
There are zero misinterpretations in this.

1) The game was announced more that 1,5 years ago. You lost focus several times while doin the graphics.
2) Your programmer throttles the process for an undisclosed reason.
3) When asked about the status several months ago, you told, the guy still has his issues and you're letting him recover as you owe him this project.
4) Couple of weeks ago, after the first real pressure was put on you, you got several QAs to do the testing.
5) Back to P2

Clearly, he does not care (otherwise we all would get the project long time ago). How much time do you need to face it and do what needs to be done.

No need for casuistic of any sort no more, dude. We're all tired of listening to same excuses.
 
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@nissan

Man, if you think that this discussion had any influence on the testing, I have news for you. Until tonight, Khronoss had no idea it was taking place. As I said earlier, he is slowly getting better and works on it whenever he can. I know him, I trust him. it's only a question of time before he's back to normal.

But he does now. So maybe, helping me getting out of this mess will be the little push he need… we’ll see.

As for the rest, I believe I already addressed all your points.
 
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@nissanit's only a question of time before he's back to normal.

But he does now. So maybe, helping me getting out of this mess will be the little push he need… we’ll see.
Well that's great, maybe a pre-2019 release isn't just pipe dream anymore.
 

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Well that's great, maybe a pre-2019 release isn't just pipe dream anymore.
:D I think you won't see the game rolling out anytime soon , just stay real and think about how hard the programming side of such a game, elementary school kind of programming, should be done under a week or 2 max, his programmer must be fapping 14 hours a day and working 5 min.
 
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BvB2

As I explained in Friday’s tease, I made great stride on it: I found, or replaced, every missing elements in the game. Made some change to in interface and reworded the 4 testing reports ( mine and those of the 3 testers ) into 1 coherent list. What remains is for me to create the new narration pages for stuff that needed clarifications in the game, some minor tweaking on the title page and to fix the grammars.

Khronoss told me that he was suppose to look at it in the end of last week. Haven’t talked to him since but I’ll cheek on that soon. Meanwhile I’ll keep working on my part.
 
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