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It seems like a lot of people had much higher hopes and expectations for this game than I did. When I played the first release I thought that it might have different paths but only one real ending with both Mia and Riley being taken away. That's usually how the song goes in these mystery NTR games. Maybe with a few "bad" endings along the way for flavor. Now that I know there are multiple endings it makes the MCs decisions less tiresome. I may enjoy another playthrough. But I never envisioned any path that didn't have NTR. That meatball Gianni was going to get what he wanted from Mia, one way or another. I'm not sure what is going to be done in the next release, though. Maybe it will be an ending when it is revealed that all the sexual shenanigans were sitcom misunderstandings. But while that would be clever, based on what I've seen so far that couldn't be accomplished with actual good writing. You could do it in a soap opera way. Mia has an identical twin that likes to impersonate her and fuck with her life because she stole her boyfriend in junior high. But yeah. Mia was always gonna get fucked in this game and a pure path wasn't really in the cards.

I agree with those that say that this game isn't meant to be realistic. In real life, women cheat for many reasons or no reason at all. Even when they love their partners and have no issues with them. Often, so-called issues in the relationship are only brought up in the gaslighting period after the cheater has been caught and they are playing on the insecurities of their partner in an effort to shift the blame away from themselves. It can also be said of men, as many women who have been blindsided by cheating can attest. Often, the cheating partner is an inferior partner in every way but being with the person that they are cheating with convinces them that they are better somehow. Many times the main attraction of the cheating partner is their unavailability, such as being married to someone else. The idea that it is impossible to "end up" with the cheating partner makes the liaisons more thrilling as does the prospect of being caught. But as the game is and NTR playing into a fetish of course the cheating partner is going to be superior in every way; including availability, looks, physique, wealth, power, and a dick the size of a Pringle's can. Basically the protagonist of a harem game who wandered into someone else's game.

TL;DR I guess that the writing of this game isn't the best on the site, but it isn't the worst either. It kinda falls into the category of Maximus screaming "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
For a true good end all the hints at cheating that could have had justifications needed them to come out this update, instead all routes this update led to blatant cheating which means that's now impossible lol
So yeah it would likely be impossible for quality writing to carry out a good end.

On the subject of cheating you kinda contradicted yourself by saying what was right after: 99.9% of the time cheating has a reason "or no reason at all", you followed that up with good understanding of psychology lol.

Statistically most men cheating tends to be 1 night stands or booty calls, often stems from a lack of physical satisfaction with their partner, the sexual kinda flings and cheating is much much more common with men.
With women it is about 80% emotional cheating, that being they have 2 legitimate relationships st once and tend to cheat from the heart.
To add to what you said, nearly all cases of emotional cheating are indeed from one's own inadequacies, my main gripe eith this games realism is the dick size stuff.
I've legitimately slept with women who didn't like me hitting their cervix thus we had to work around things for it to be comfortable with them, vs a guy like the MC would have 0 problems with that as he'd hit the g spot more often with his common thrusts lol
I guess I just find as a well endowed man the whole obsession to be odd, it tends to fade after women reach their mid 20s, get some experience "under their belt" and changes even harder around their 30s when they start getting those hormones pumps screaming "I really need a baby about now".

I mean as I concluded my own paragraph, sex is a stupid amount of emotion to begin with, even in hot wifing, the wife very very rarely will be more pleasured by another man, unless her husbands like 3 inches lol
Sex is normally always best with the person you have the strongest connection to, skill does play into it somewhat but that's also learnt with time and if you know your specific partners soft spots then a guy with 10x your experience wouldn't get her going better than you lol

I will say I liked the touch that Riley loves the MC, giving you what seems will be the option to essentially hard switch partners.
My main gripe with that is if they were real Mia is one of my types, Riley isn't.
(Being born and raised in the UK I've pretty much come to only love D cups and above)
I can tell why people would like Riley though, her attitude was nice but I also would have liked a few more seemingly direct hints that she likes the mc, she plays with him A LOT, but that's also heavily implied to be because she's in an open relationship. The hints she liked him romantically are close to none, maybe I need you reread a bunch? Lol
I mean the game has at least stood true to most of its core elements, fell short on some things but the art and general ntr chunk of it held up fine.
Honestly though... in what would does someone date a girl (or guy I guess) and that partners goes away for multiple days at a time for or against their partners wishes?
If I randomly told my partner I would be attending a festival but she can't get any tickets and I only said it last minute she'd be pissed bruh, of course if it were months earlier and she said no that's on her.

Last gripe: as a man from the UK who has drank since 14, I go out drinking at 7 p.mish and don't come back until 4 a.m, would probably go out longer if I had less responsibilities.
I'm on spirits the entire time...
So when this damn MC is the biggest lightweight going my immersion hits the ground running lol
I'm like "1 shot mate, really?"

I see nearly everyone agrees though that the game is good, has a few unfortunate concluding points but that's the writers choice as development occurs. For all he wants the ending could be they get on a plane and the mc watches as a beta cuck, and then sees it crash into the ground and explode lol
Hey a cop out ending could be the classic "it was all a dreeeeeeam" .

We'll just have to see what's there in a few months ~ onto the next game
 
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I think some of it can be explained with the realities of coding and mapping a story that complicated. I'm toying with my own game, and once you sit down and write a branching story, and contemplate the required coding, it quickly becomes clear how complicated it all gets. I wouldn't be surprised if the dev was contemplating a more robust non-NTR story route; but abandoned it in favor of a simpler/more focused story when they began to plan out all the necessary steps. There's already been a number of coding issues in the game (that's not meant as a criticism), so a story with more branches would have been exponentially harder.
I mean the thing is, that's not quite an issue of coding more than raw planning.
I think my perception as a writer was to expect an all-inclusive but still justifiable explanation of events, while the actual writer just wanted those to be "NTR teasing", which is fine, just unfortunate for the grand scheme of writing.
Some people love stories to be straightforward, overs want messages or overarching plots at hand.
The reason I don't think it's due to coding is that the pure route could have been implemented next update.
We go all the way to the end of the cuck route for my justification here:
It would have had to end before you discover Mia and Riley fucking Gio, instead, you'd have woke up in the hot tub, if you chose to be a cuck you catch her like we did this update if you chose not to, and the options to favour Mia and ignore Riley the whole game: Mia would be in bed, making the screen door washroom scene due to delirium from heat exhaustion, the laptop scenes dark dream fantasy and the dressing room could have been her using a vibrator, as for her putting the Bootylicious wig on, fuck it just claim she happened to own a similar wig, there were no key defining features, it's just a wig.

This would ultimately mean as far as coding goes that the hard part would be done on the finale since until then everything leads to 1 of two main paths anyway, the cuck route or the cheating route.
Except at the end of this update's cuck route, for the start of the next update if the coding reads "if cuck (points) = 0 then Route A" etc, not typing that in literal code it's an example lol
My whole thing in my original post was that all the "hinting" scenes could have also been the MC's thoughts, fantasies or anxieties. This update pretty much solidified it as "No she's a cheating slut, you're gonna like it, leave her or switch partners with Gio" lol
Which, since I've followed this games development for a while I hoped wouldn't be the case, grew to like how the developer had made Mia, but the last update or 2 dumped it for the "now she's a whore" trope lol
The former line coincides with what I expect to be a LOT of ntr fans ideal, they just want to be cucked beyond belief and yada yada.
But the thing I LOVED about scars of summer and will love about boy hero ken when that comes out with its update(?), is that despite there being like 8 or more NTR routes, they still had the True Ending, which was the happy end.


My love for visual novels and eroge stemmed from my first ever VN: Ever 17, and BOY did that game consume my time.
I've always loved the idea of seclusion, abandoned islands, post-war or apocalypse scenarios, but I do like the cast to be TRULY limited.
I won't spoil the glory of Ever 17, but essentially like most games to even get the True/good ending, you have to beat all routes and then you can play the True Ending.

But yeah, as far as coding goes it woulda made stuff a lil less convenient but I had always envisioned the finale would give those 3 or 4 main endings I pictured:

1. Cucked (NTR)
2. Netorase (lending, swinging, letting your partner fuck others for your enjoyment)
3. Break up/Revenge (Whatever this would be, basically the "fuck you too" route)
4. True End/Romance End (All the "signs" were actually just a byproduct of the MC's thoughts and not reality)
 
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I don't know that a non-NTR story is even possible with the way Mia is written, unless her personality changes vastly depending on the routes. From the paths currently in the game it's becomes clear that for Mia lying comes as easily as breathing. She'll lie to the MC, lie to her parents, no matter the circumstances if so long as it gets her what she wants. I haven't seem the reclaimed route yet but so far in most of the routes Mia is pretty irredeemable.
Honestly, as of an update or 2 ago it was extremely possible, will copy and paste from a previous message but:

"We go all the way to the end of the cuck route for my justification here:
It would have had to end before you discover Mia and Riley fucking Gio, instead, you'd have woke up in the hot tub, if you chose to be a cuck you catch her like we did this update if you chose not to, and the options to favour Mia and ignore Riley the whole game: Mia would be in bed, making the screen door washroom scene due to delirium from heat exhaustion, the laptop scenes dark dream fantasy and the dressing room could have been her using a vibrator, as for her putting the Bootylicious wig on, fuck it just claim she happened to own a similar wig, there were no key defining features, it's just a wig.

This would ultimately mean as far as coding goes that the hard part would be done on the finale since until then everything leads to 1 of two main paths anyway, the cuck route or the cheating route.
Except at the end of this update's cuck route, for the start of the next update if the coding reads "if cuck (points) = 0 then Route A" etc, not typing that in literal code it's an example lol
My whole thing in my original post was that all the "hinting" scenes could have also been the MC's thoughts, fantasies or anxieties. This update pretty much solidified it as "No she's a cheating slut, you're gonna like it, leave her or switch partners with Gio""

I really did think Mia would have had a good route, but yeah she's definitely irredeemable now. It's either we accept the cuck role, or she stops cheating and we live happily ever after (2 "good" routes), both kinda an oof.
As my first quoted paragraph shows there was definitely a creative and easy way for a good end where Mia really does love you to exist.
Sexual dissatisfaction exists and is a fun part of learning to please your partner and you. But I guess the main intent of the game was to have Mia become a slut, Riley is the love interest, and maybe a few other routes to give out alternate ways for people to be happy. Let's hope we get some good endings next patch.
 

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Maybe it's because I'm a woman, but everyone in this game seems really fucked up. The MC is much more sympathetic (at least in my playthrough), but even he's a mess. Riley and Mia though...YIKES. I mean, I guess that's the point of these games (this is my first NTR game), but I look at both Riley and Mia with very different degrees of contempt.
You are right, they are both girls are fuck up example in real life you will run away of this type of girls bcs you can't speak of "love" or solid relationship, "ntr" genre game is more fantasy for most of the guys don't want this situation on real life to happen.
Example for me genre"ntr games" I like to see mc be humiliate because I don't put myself in the shoes of mc. See someone humiliate excite me more maybe is sadism that I like, also "mystery ntr" is more interesting because is not in your face from the start, for me netorase it's become easy boring game because the mc give approve gf or wife to be whore and sleep with anyone, it's less exciting for me.
I see some fuck up situation in real life that women manipulate the man and tell it's perfect fine and it's "real love" to let her get fuck to other men because she love only him(the cuck) and I can tell most of the 80% case it ended badly.
It's sadly to see this situation on real life but It's perfect fine on the games for me.

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Also I feel we need a proper walkthrough for me I try the "loyal path mia" and second accept propose of riley but dunno it ending in same route first one, dunno what I doing wrong. (-_-')
 
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Similarly to most male-oriented erotica, the premises rely heavily on trope and fantasy of what men perceive to be important, sexually and socially. So even as they depart from masculine ideals for masculine anxieties, as here, the themes of the fantasies remain the same.
I know this has already been quoted but it's so important. I feel like Gen Z especially has completely missed this somehow. They have conflated fictional erotica made by MEN for MEN (fictional erotica can and should include regular porn videos as well) with reality.

To expand a bit - I think we don't really understand women. And even those of us who figure out some tricks, some behaviors that consistently appeal to women we still don't know the **why** at that point just the how.

I propose this causes males anxiety and therefore in the fantasies we create we alter female sexuality to be something that we completely understand. One based almost entirely on looks and genitalia. Tight vagina = good. Therefore big penis = good. Hot girls = good. Therefore hot men = good (so hotter>less hot and bigger>less big). This we can understand.

It's akin to conspiracy theories. The idea of a morally grey world that is complicated, chaotic, and that no one is in control of is scary. It's actually more comforting to adopt the idea of some cabal of 'evil' vs the rest of us that are 'good.' Simple.
 

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I mean the thing is, that's not quite an issue of coding more than raw planning.
I think my perception as a writer was to expect an all-inclusive but still justifiable explanation of events, while the actual writer just wanted those to be "NTR teasing", which is fine, just unfortunate for the grand scheme of writing.
Some people love stories to be straightforward, overs want messages or overarching plots at hand.
The reason I don't think it's due to coding is that the pure route could have been implemented next update.
We go all the way to the end of the cuck route for my justification here:
It would have had to end before you discover Mia and Riley fucking Gio, instead, you'd have woke up in the hot tub, if you chose to be a cuck you catch her like we did this update if you chose not to, and the options to favour Mia and ignore Riley the whole game: Mia would be in bed, making the screen door washroom scene due to delirium from heat exhaustion, the laptop scenes dark dream fantasy and the dressing room could have been her using a vibrator, as for her putting the Bootylicious wig on, fuck it just claim she happened to own a similar wig, there were no key defining features, it's just a wig.

This would ultimately mean as far as coding goes that the hard part would be done on the finale since until then everything leads to 1 of two main paths anyway, the cuck route or the cheating route.
Except at the end of this update's cuck route, for the start of the next update if the coding reads "if cuck (points) = 0 then Route A" etc, not typing that in literal code it's an example lol
My whole thing in my original post was that all the "hinting" scenes could have also been the MC's thoughts, fantasies or anxieties. This update pretty much solidified it as "No she's a cheating slut, you're gonna like it, leave her or switch partners with Gio" lol
Which, since I've followed this games development for a while I hoped wouldn't be the case, grew to like how the developer had made Mia, but the last update or 2 dumped it for the "now she's a whore" trope lol
The former line coincides with what I expect to be a LOT of ntr fans ideal, they just want to be cucked beyond belief and yada yada.
But the thing I LOVED about scars of summer and will love about boy hero ken when that comes out with its update(?), is that despite there being like 8 or more NTR routes, they still had the True Ending, which was the happy end.


My love for visual novels and eroge stemmed from my first ever VN: Ever 17, and BOY did that game consume my time.
I've always loved the idea of seclusion, abandoned islands, post-war or apocalypse scenarios, but I do like the cast to be TRULY limited.
I won't spoil the glory of Ever 17, but essentially like most games to even get the True/good ending, you have to beat all routes and then you can play the True Ending.

But yeah, as far as coding goes it woulda made stuff a lil less convenient but I had always envisioned the finale would give those 3 or 4 main endings I pictured:

1. Cucked (NTR)
2. Netorase (lending, swinging, letting your partner fuck others for your enjoyment)
3. Break up/Revenge (Whatever this would be, basically the "fuck you too" route)
4. True End/Romance End (All the "signs" were actually just a byproduct of the MC's thoughts and not reality)
Maybe stop projecting about romance=true route since thats literally not the case in like 98% of these type of games, and youd enjoy it more.
 
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Maybe stop projecting about romance=true route since thats literally not the case in like 98% of these type of games, and youd enjoy it more.
In pretty much EVERY good NTR game, there is a "true end" which is often the "happy end". Your 98% is the inverse of what you claimed. You can be a happy-go-lucky if you wish, that's your prerogative.
But many have agreed across multitudes of my criticism that the ntr routes in this are decent-good but the non-ntr route fell a little short of desirable.

And hey, the games that fall into YOUR "98%" tend to be VERY VERY shit, and they usually are made by devs who find little success.
Even some that don't e.g. Boy Hero Ken PLAN to have the True end eventually be a happy ending.

Also, "and you'd enjoy it more" maybe if I had a strong love for NTR I could agree with you there. As a writer I appreciate NTR as a dynamic, there are some things explored in it that can bring out emotions that other genres can't. But I'm not such a huge fan of NTR that wanting a heartwarming ending too (like many here) takes away from my experience. As an adult (I'm assuming you're under 18 from how you talk) I'm able to look at the bigger picture and enjoy a multitude of scriptures regardless of personal desire.

Oh, and for the record, the TRUE ROUTE for this game appears to be the cuck route if any, since it goes the longest. That being said netorase = romance. Netorare is more akin to "my girlfriend gets fucked while I get nothing", while netorase is more along the lines of loaning but you still indulge, often romantically.

EDIT: The developer himself upvoted my criticism a couple of pages back, I'm having a friendly discussion with other users here about the game.
I'm proud of the developer for consistently posting updates, maybe a month faster or slower sometimes, but that's life; he's never left his patrons in the dark and disappeared for several months (T4bbo (babysitter(s) dev)) I also think he wrote the game well overall, just some things aren't as good as they could be.
But here's a fact: Ask ANY writer if they could rewrite their story if they'd change anything. Anyone who isn't egotistical would say yes, even if it's a minor detail.

I never whine needlessly, I always do my best to discuss things constructively and with respect. Try not to be snarky "Maybe if you" and keep those kinda thoughts unrelated to the game off forums?
 
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IIRC, I got the reclaim route by:
1. Always making choices that favored Mia
2. Always turning down Riley
3. Never making any cuck choices (this includes standing up to Gianni whenever you get the chance).
4. Training with the sex-toy every chance I got (might not be necessary)
5. Finally, and most importantly, I didn't stop Mia from going on the trip to Desireland. When the option to drink the whole bottle at the club came up, I took a single shot instead.

Sorry if anything is wrong. This is just from memory.

I did all the choices for this route, but it keeps leading me to the cuck route. I think I will stay in the route I am in which is the breakup/revenge route. I don't know how to achieve the true ending where its all in his head. If someone can link the walkthrough for each ending I appreciate it. Thank you!
 
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I did all the choices for this route, but it keeps leading me to the cuck route. I think I will stay in the route I am in which is the breakup/revenge route. I don't know how to achieve the true ending where its all in his head. If someone can link the walkthrough for each ending I appreciate it. Thank you!

Also, the revenge route was crappy though because you get beat up by gianni and your girl still gets taken.
 
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I did all the choices for this route, but it keeps leading me to the cuck route. I think I will stay in the route I am in which is the breakup/revenge route. I don't know how to achieve the true ending where its all in his head. If someone can link the walkthrough for each ending I appreciate it. Thank you!
Heres all the choices i made that led to reclaiming Mia

1) Jealous 2) Left Curtain 3) Spray 4) Go Home 5) Stop 6) Leave 7) Go change 8) Fleshlight 9) Upset 10) Hell Nah 11) Stop That 12) Train 13) Other plans 14) Do Whatever 15) Fleshlight 16) Dont 17) Silent 18) Not sure if it matters but i selected Teacher 19)Get to the point 20) Resist 21) Jenna 22) Doesnt Matter 23) Dont 24) Train 25) Leave 26) Shot 27) Smash 28) Stop her

TLDR:Make choices that make you look like a man aka stand up to Gianni and nothing cuck related. Defend/Protect Mia. Make sure to train everychance you get using Fleshlight. And finally do nothing thats sexually related to Riley
 

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It seems the last update introduced even more diverse paths, would be nice if the dev or someone could compile a walkthrough or a guide since more than a bit of controversion in the chat and the choice system is not that clear ingame ( or at least to a wanking pepega like me ) Cheers
 

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Why is MC such an idiot? He just lets people walk all over him. I would've broke the friendship with Riley as soon as she started her "teasing"... It was painful to experience her. Also, Mia acting weird and throwing up all the red flags... I mean, it is the MC first relationship so yeah, but... IDK... I just... idk, kinda got angry... maybe also because Mia kinda looks like my ex (only that her hair was red, not pink)...
 
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So I took some time to create a walkthrough. I hope I didn't miss anything important. To those who ask how to unlock certain images in the gallery, it's largely down to having enough points with the girl and being on the right route. Routes and point requirements are detailed in the walkthrough.



Edit: Some people apparently still had problems with unlocking the last images in the gallery, so I updated the walkthrough with notes about what choices unlock what "hidden" gallery scene. Note that this version comes with screenshots of the gallery from the game to let me number them (like: scene #7), which bumped the file-size up quite a bit (from 140KB to 1,4MB).
 
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hmm this game already long out here.
can we have any guide/WT for this game? or mod what dialogue effect anything?
i want to get another girl and let the GF away, atleast she is open and not lying like the GF.
 

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Why is MC such an idiot? He just lets people walk all over him. I would've broke the friendship with Riley as soon as she started her "teasing"... It was painful to experience her. Also, Mia acting weird and throwing up all the red flags... I mean, it is the MC first relationship so yeah, but... IDK... I just... idk, kinda got angry... maybe also because Mia kinda looks like my ex (only that her hair was red, not pink)...
That's the point of the kink. If you want a MC who responds logically you're playing the wrong sort of game. The whole point of these games is to inflict some humiliation on the guy while he ignores the obvious red flags.
 
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I love everything about this game except Gianni. I just can't bring myself to enjoy cheating/depressing cuckold stories. I hope the author continues having continued success though, it's a well written game from what I did play.
 
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