Kotobiki

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In pretty much EVERY good NTR game, there is a "true end" which is often the "happy end". Your 98% is the inverse of what you claimed. You can be a happy-go-lucky if you wish, that's your prerogative.
But many have agreed across multitudes of my criticism that the ntr routes in this are decent-good but the non-ntr route fell a little short of desirable.

And hey, the games that fall into YOUR "98%" tend to be VERY VERY shit, and they usually are made by devs who find little success.
Even some that don't e.g. Boy Hero Ken PLAN to have the True end eventually be a happy ending.

Also, "and you'd enjoy it more" maybe if I had a strong love for NTR I could agree with you there. As a writer I appreciate NTR as a dynamic, there are some things explored in it that can bring out emotions that other genres can't. But I'm not such a huge fan of NTR that wanting a heartwarming ending too (like many here) takes away from my experience. As an adult (I'm assuming you're under 18 from how you talk) I'm able to look at the bigger picture and enjoy a multitude of scriptures regardless of personal desire.

Oh, and for the record, the TRUE ROUTE for this game appears to be the cuck route if any, since it goes the longest. That being said netorase = romance. Netorare is more akin to "my girlfriend gets fucked while I get nothing", while netorase is more along the lines of loaning but you still indulge, often romantically.

EDIT: The developer himself upvoted my criticism a couple of pages back, I'm having a friendly discussion with other users here about the game.
I'm proud of the developer for consistently posting updates, maybe a month faster or slower sometimes, but that's life; he's never left his patrons in the dark and disappeared for several months (T4bbo (babysitter(s) dev)) I also think he wrote the game well overall, just some things aren't as good as they could be.
But here's a fact: Ask ANY writer if they could rewrite their story if they'd change anything. Anyone who isn't egotistical would say yes, even if it's a minor detail.

I never whine needlessly, I always do my best to discuss things constructively and with respect. Try not to be snarky "Maybe if you" and keep those kinda thoughts unrelated to the game off forums?
Cool story bro.
 
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Themyschiron

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Well, just played the Riley Vanilla-Route... I'll be damned. Turns out i was wrong about her all along. Riley seems to be the wholesome vanilla choice if and only IF you manage to avoid NTR points. From what i understand, if you get a single point of NTR, even if you choose her everytime, MC becomes a cuck . BUT if you manage to avoid them, she actually warms up to him to the point of turning down every NTR encounter you usually see on her route - except for Chad at the beach, but those ones are part of the main story thus unavoidable... and even then MC gets some action with her too -, yes even during the festival she just send nudes, no gangbang. Besides, every detail seems to point out to her being the "good ending" choice: same interest, long term friends, decide to become what the MC likes (NTR points = cuck / No NTR points = exclusive gf/bf) they even have physical alchemy, her being petite and not being into stallion sized while him being modestly endowed but greatly trained, they make it work pretty well.

I definitly think she is the Hard to get Good ending, only downside is that it's a good ending for everyone, even for Mia and Chad because they end up together happily (hope not, let's wait for the last update).

It also put some perspective on the Reclaiming Mia path. Until now, i never tried to pursue her because I thought that you could only end up as a cuck. Turns out, you can have both girls if you go on this route ~ well it needs to be confirmed with the last update but in her ending, Riley tells MC that she didn't fuck anyone during the summer (ergo... no one during the timeframe where the game takes place, only Chad but as i said, main story stuff so doesn't count imo) and I tend to believe her more than Mia honestly. So if you choose the reclaim Mia path, while pursuing Riley on the side, by the point where you get to the ending, Mia is -supposedly- faithful again, and Riley has been taken from Chad by MC at least emotionnaly (but we know that she doesn't particularly like him as a FB since she doesn't like big dicks anyway). Congrats you NTR'D the NTR'er (well twice actually since you are also cheating on Mia the cheater) .

I feel great now, knowing things are seemingly turning awesome for MC, still wished we could have exerted more significant revenge on Mia cause she is the only one who wins no matter what; and I hope karma will come back at full force in the last update, but somewhat it's turning better than i thought.

A common misconception about Riley is that you can only become a submissive cuck. That's not all Riley is about, you need to look at future potential. A slut like Riley will sleep around, but she'll always fuck you as well. Cucks don't get pussy, they are submissive to their mistress, like her ex boyfriend who only wanted her feet. With Riley you have the potential of being a dominant stag by sharing her with others to enhance your sex with her. Reclaim her every time she's been bad with a rough jealousy induced ragefuck. Don't you see? That's what Riley needs :BootyTime:
I can see what you're saying haha. Unfortunately, i'm one of those poor fucks that tends to identify with the MC, which is why I usually avoid NTR games tbh. You're effectively right about your definition of cucks imo, i see where i was mistaken. That said, I do not enjoy Netorase either, so imma pass on that swinger kink. With me it's the right way or the highway haha. (I like Netori tho... haha but who doesn't? )
 

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Nice, I like it so far. My only concern is that the well written netorare story seems to degrade into a cheesy cuckolding where MC agrees to share and is happy to be humiliated. That changes overall atmosphere a lot.
 
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Eleyon

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This is a recent game for me, and so I'll get the most obvious out of the way and say the art is the shining beacon of it. It's really clean and well done and it is this, almost single handedly that will make me keep this developer on watch. If they managed to bump the art to have animated scenes, it would be curtain call.

The story however, is what seemed head scratching at moments. Please note that spoilers now follow below.


The MC starts by conceding that he and his girlfriend Mia don't really do much of the sexy times, but all of a sudden, likely due to the fact they'll be long distance, she starts to explode into the real her. A crazy nympho that seemingly loves it all. Now, there pretends to be a degree of player agency, as in, the illusion of at the very least, response. Note, the illusion of it. You don't have it. at one point you can tell Gianni to stop clearly grabbing Mia's ass, to then catch him at her house, catch her come out in lingerie that she is clearly wearing for him, have the option to tell her to change or not, only to then get groped and rubbed under the table and your character enters 'forced naivety' in order to continue to allow the plot to move forward. If she feels stupid to the point of trying to tell him to leave, if she feels guilty to the point of getting up from the table and changing herself if you didn't tell her to. Why in the hell, for plot sake, would she act out of character and sit beside HIM at the table. It's like she's aware she's supposed to be in an NTR and that she isn't a character with desires, likes, dislikes, etc. And this pervades the story and characters all over.

Why does the MC seemingly go out of character in order for this known fact Mia is cheating to go on? What is the end game, the climax supposed to even be? For the MC, it seems to find out if she's cheating or not, whether this relationship is worth keeping or not. But her being a cheater is outright evident and thus I found myself consistently looking around for a wrap it up box. Case closed, mission success. Tell her off, possibly hook up with Riley and/or move on. The thing is, is that even though that is literally the synopsis, thus is clear to us as the reader. The issue is, we have no different view point of the situations than the MC, we have no extra information he doesn't have. So he equally has all the glaring, blatantly obvious evidence of her cheating that his forced stupidity and out of character responses/reactions don't make sense except to further continue the story. This is even more astounding taking in the fact he is actively looking and suspecting she is cheating, so it's not naivety, it's forced character stupidity. It was obvious from the MC standpoint that Mia and E-girl are the same person. Proof of this braindead aspect? He can look at her and not see remotely any resemblance to her and Mia, but he can see resemblance in Gianni's dick? He has to not realize something that would clearly make sense to him otherwise the story ends. Mia calls winded and out of breath, clearly getting her pussy played with, the MC, who suspects foul play thinks she's jogging? The MC, who had an option to play with Mia in the changing room, then later sees her in the changing room but she won't let him in at all. Why not force his way in like before? Oh, it's because it is utterly obvious that Gianni is in there fingering her so time for the MC to fall out of character and go stupid so this train chugs along, because this ends if he just opens the curtain to find Gianni with two in the pink and one in the stink. And he isn't the only one, as stated above, Mia herself goes through these nonsensical back and forths of character lapsing that makes no sense for her establishment as a character. Why even go through the whole 'this is wrong' stage, up to avoiding and not talking to Gianni, only to what? Remember she was in an NTR game so jump back to the script because the story ends if she holds onto that guilt of cheating and stays faithful. This pervades everything, and I'm just not a person that can shut off my brain to enjoy my entertainment intake.

The MC has undertones outside of his suddenly meek reactions to Riley, that he would actually stand up and stay how he feels about something. He gets angry, he calls Mia out. And I feel like these aspects were really well done. Deciding whether to just cum or stop her and talk about it, great! (even if it did amount to nothing because the scene happens anyway). He stands his ground if he doesn't like it. He asks questions even if they're tough things to ask. He is actively suspicious and looking for signs of cheating and yet the story continues as if these things are only obvious to us the reader. So, opinion insert here, but I felt like this would have flowed better on the story side if the MC was fairly strong willed, and it is someone else who is bringing these actions to his attention as he trusts Mia so much. Even in these situations, it would make sense for him to trust her. In this current aspect, it makes no sense for those moments he yells 'Mia wouldn't do that!' you factually saw Gianni grab her tits or ass, and she explains it away in ok fashion. aka, she's fine with him touching her sexually. She says this To.your.face. So why are you suddenly stupid and denying that when you are looking for evidence of her cheating? You can't be looking for it to just be naïve when it appears... Another aspect would have just been to make any of the NTR aspects happen as the MC leaves or is sleep and we the player sees it and thus we have this information of Mia's actions and he doesn't. Let's use the wake up scene to her masturbating thinking of a big dick. The MC could drift off but we still see the scene. We now have info he doesn't, so his faith in her is understandable and realistic. This is why I think, even though NTR is NTR, that it's best when operating as an avoidable punishment selection system. IE, NTR is akin to porn Dark Souls. I would have loved dialogue choices that show just how much you might have been paying attention to scenes and the surroundings and thus lacking this pushed you further into the NTR/Cheating. A degree of blackmail would have even worked here, where Riley, who clearly likes the MC but is going about it in ways a retard would be proud of, could have finally succeeded in a tease that resorts as blackmail and on the other side of the coin, it's the same for Mia and Gianni.

Now, while all of that is true, ultimately, it starts to trend towards the MC getting everything if things turn out or play right, the last update would be needed to see if this is true. Ultimately, my disappointment is only high because I actually liked this and the characters, I just didn't like the inconsistency and drop in their shown actions in order to push the plot along. It just seems like this would have ended abruptly unless people when Harry Potter memory erased mode. I saw in other responses the Dev plans to work on a harem game. I'll keep my eyes open for that.

Cheers, and thanks for the experience! Look forward to the future projects!
 
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So I took some time to create a walkthrough. I hope I didn't miss anything important. To those who ask how to unlock certain images in the gallery, it's largely down to having enough points with the girl and being on the right route. Routes and point requirements are detailed in the walkthrough.
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This is awesome! THX MAN!
 

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So I took some time to create a walkthrough. I hope I didn't miss anything important. To those who ask how to unlock certain images in the gallery, it's largely down to having enough points with the girl and being on the right route. Routes and point requirements are detailed in the walkthrough.
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Thanks, you are appreciated !
 
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Ultimately, it's a decent game thus far, just dislike the "gigachad who treats Mia like shit can win her body and heart by having a big dick", from my own experiences the average woman doesn't like much over 6 inches to begin with, but this is fiction lol...
Let's see how everything ends in a few months~
As for most of you guys in the comments—it's strange that you people expected something out of this game while "not being into ntr" because it's ntr from the start. Mia was cheating on the MC since the beginning, that was made plain obvious from the first version of the game, the author also placed the warning that "NTR IS NOT AVOIDABLE". Why any of you thought that there can be a "pure path" is a mystery to me. The only choices MC has are—accept her being a cheating slut, or leave her and find luck with someone else. If you're looking for a chad protag then look somewhere else.
 
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Darth Sidious

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I can see what you're saying haha. Unfortunately, i'm one of those poor fucks that tends to identify with the MC, which is why I usually avoid NTR games tbh. You're effectively right about your definition of cucks imo, i see where i was mistaken. That said, I do not enjoy Netorase either, so imma pass on that swinger kink. With me it's the right way or the highway haha. (I like Netori tho... haha but who doesn't? )
Ah well, to each their own. Or perhaps your corruption level hasn't reached Sith stages yet :WeSmart:
 

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So I took some time to create a walkthrough. I hope I didn't miss anything important. To those who ask how to unlock certain images in the gallery, it's largely down to having enough points with the girl and being on the right route. Routes and point requirements are detailed in the walkthrough.
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hope u can continue the WT. Thanks....

I hope there's update gallery path to
 
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give MC a way to be happy bro, he stuck in a loop played by thousand player just to be cucked again and again.
even dormamu cant bargain.
maybe random isekai truck kiss MC for next game?
I don't know. Mia as a girlfriend kind of sucks and losing her is addition by subtraction. I think making her Gianni's problem is the happy ending.
 
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Any walkthrough for this two?
When it's time to decide whether to buy the whole bottle or just to drink a shot, you need to have more than 13 willpower and buy the whole bottle. In the following choice, smash the dildo. If you at this point have more than 22 Riley points, you unlock those two sscenes. Check the walkthrough I made for a more detailed description.

So I took some time to create a walkthrough. I hope I didn't miss anything important. To those who ask how to unlock certain images in the gallery, it's largely down to having enough points with the girl and being on the right route. Routes and point requirements are detailed in the walkthrough.
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Edit: Some people apparently still had problems with unlocking the last images in the gallery, so I updated the walkthrough with notes about what choices unlock what "hidden" gallery scene. Note that this version comes with screenshots of the gallery from the game to let me number them (like: scene #7), which bumped the file-size up quite a bit (from 140KB to 1,4MB).
 
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