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Look I'm not going to get into it again but DS wasn't forced to stop anything other devs worked out another way of getting their game out and DS didn't simple as this has been discussed so many times in the threads, he started to lose interest in making BB and stated Glamour was in the works and the review was the perfect opportunity to jump ship and blame the review. But yeah his decisions are going to either make or break the game.
Regarding the patreon drop it looks to me he loses 200 but then regains around 50 or more correct me if I'm wrong so it's still a big enough loss.
I won't argue with that. He took the risk and will have to face consequences. I respect him for that even tho I would do it in a different way. To be fair there is no perfect solution for a longtime development as sooner or later things will have to change on Patreon once more and it's easy to judge a guy who's making thousands of $ monthly. MrDots that use Melody to gather funds for DMD is a fine example as numbers show that his patrons dropped as well when he didn't deliver Melody but DMD instead. It's not something huge and he will make up for it but it's just an example how troublesome it is to develop something against Patreon. Especially if dev himself doesn't like his own game.
Yeah, 150 is a number but it's slowing down and at some point it's even growing. Every each version makes drop slower so it's not something certain. It's still a big number ofc.
 
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I won't argue with that. He took the risk and will have to face consequences. I respect him for that even tho I would do it in a different way. To be fair there is no perfect solution for a longtime development as sooner or later things will have to change on Patreon once more and it's easy to judge a guy who's making thousands of $ monthly. MrDots that use Melody to gather funds for DMD is a fine example as numbers show that his patrons dropped as well when he didn't deliver Melody but DMD instead. It's not something huge and he will make up for it but it's just an example how troublesome it is to develop something against Patreon. Especially if dev himself doesn't like his own game.
Yeah, 150 is a number but it's slowing down and at some point it's even growing. Every each version makes drop slower so it's not something certain. It's still a big number ofc.
I think DS is to stubborn and almost have to prove people wrong with everything he decides but I do think some of the choices already made are going to finish him if he doesn't wake up a bit. I do feel though he's almost holding patreons that are sticking around BB hostage because he won't say it's over but he won't say he's coming back those patreons then are hoping for it to come back
 

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I won't argue with that. He took the risk and will have to face consequences. I respect him for that even tho I would do it in a different way. To be fair there is no perfect solution for a longtime development as sooner or later things will have to change on Patreon once more and it's easy to judge a guy who's making thousands of $ monthly. MrDots that use Melody to gather funds for DMD is a fine example as numbers show that his patrons dropped as well when he didn't deliver Melody but DMD instead. It's not something huge and he will make up for it but it's just an example how troublesome it is to develop something against Patreon. Especially if dev himself doesn't like his own game.
Yeah, 150 is a number but it's slowing down and at some point it's even growing. Every each version makes drop slower so it's not something certain. It's still a big number ofc.
Darksilver enjoys working and getting less next month. the new game is crap. It was not necessary to drop BB. See other developers. they changed something and continue. Darksilver will lose even more. must be a nice feeling. There is BB and the nice money. and he works on glamor and gets less. He is dumber than the police allowed. if he was a good developer, he would not be on patreon. as simple as that. :cool:
 

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I think DS is to stubborn and almost have to prove people wrong with everything he decides but I do think some of the choices already made are going to finish him if he doesn't wake up a bit. I do feel though he's almost holding patreons that are sticking around BB hostage because he won't say it's over but he won't say he's coming back those patreons then are hoping for it to come back
He's scared of what would happen if he said BB is over and done with. Hoestly no one should pay 40$ for glamour at this stage and few have been very possitiv for the games direction. He still makes his Bread & Butter from BB.. Even tho it's only a ghost.
 
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He's scared of what would happen if he said BB is over and done with. Hoestly no one should pay 40$ for glamour at this stage and few have been very possitiv for the games direction. He still makes his Bread & Butter from BB.. Even tho it's only a ghost.
He knows probably whats left of his support would be dashed in half if he was to announce that so hold on to them so that the money is still high enough at the minute until you get the other games with FMC protag fans from the likes of Good Girl Gone Bad and the rest of them to join up for Glamour then maybe just maybe he would then announce BB is over.

But essentially they are just being held hostage nearly at this point and that's another reason why people are starting to lose respect from fans
 

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Look up statisctics for Adult pateron games and look at % of popular games versus not so popular.
Surprice the MMC games have higher numbers then the FMC games. Hmmm Wonder why.. If 80% don't actually care??

In reallity way more then 80% of the player base is Male. Most hetro, but ofc it's split to some extent. The most popular category is harem style games. MMC and loads of girls. (Your 80% don't care, argument is pretty much shattered already) A few leans towards NTR and Cokhold but thats a minority. BB is a perfect exampel of a game that does/did well. It suits the highest number of players statistically speaking. Glamour.. Not so much. It's a grindy (Most likely) sandbox style game where you have to care about eyeliners, endless conversations and ofc the biggest problem of all.. Hitting on other males. A few lesbian encounters is not enuogh to saticfy the hetro community of male players.

Oh wait.. I forgot about the server side saves and always online. No cracked versions and a minmum of a 5$ pledge.
Hm hm.. He wanted to climb a hill and picked mount Everest? :p But hey.. Good Luck to him :)
Nope, your assumptions are wrong. The good and famous MMC games in patreon have more patrons because... they are better games. Good FMC games would have lots of patrons too. Shitty games have few patrons regardless of the gender of the MC.
The notion that only gays and women would play FMC games is weird to say the least. We don't play these games to "get in the shoes" of the often stupid \ often asshole \ occasionaly both MC. Those MMCs are nothing like the majority of people that play them. It's like saying "porn with female protagonists would do bad" which is a hilariously erroneous statement.
As others pointed out Japanese VNs have women MCs too. As you yourself agreed you have played those games to see the girl's boobs. That's the reason most of us play those games and the reason most of us don't really mind an FMC.

BB had SEX and Boobs, while Glamour has little "hot" content hidden behind a bad platform. I didn't play BB because I feel any kind of kinship with a stupid kid that wants to fuck all his family and puts webcams all over so that pervs would leer on the girls. Do you?
Same with Female MCs. I don't feel kinship with these women as they get fucked by their teachers, friends, employers etc. Same with porn with women.

My argument that 80% don't really care whether the MC is male or female stands. Glamour bleeds DS patrons because of shitty choices like server-side saves, no cheats to cut through the grindfest and logged in to play. Not because of the FMC.
If \ when Glamour becomes steamier and if he drops cheats in to reduce mega-grinding, it would start picking up patrons.


He's scared of what would happen if he said BB is over and done with. Hoestly no one should pay 40$ for glamour at this stage and few have been very possitiv for the games direction. He still makes his Bread & Butter from BB.. Even tho it's only a ghost.
I don't understand that. Why pledge 40$ per month for Big Brother?
One could pledge -1- month at 20$, get the latest version of Big Brother (and glamour) and cancel the pledge for a few months. As simple as that.
As such, I have to assume that his patrons that stay, stay because they have hopes for glamour and want to support him.

I realize Glamour is not your thing. But that doesn't mean nobody likes it.
With all the stupid decisions and the no mods, and little content and Glamour still has 1600-1700 patrons bleeding less than 100 per month.
DS has lost less than half his Patrons after putting BB on hold so many months ago.
 

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Another day and another page full of doom and gloom. :closedeyesmile::closedeyesmile::closedeyesmile:
 
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I’m wondering how we get tomorrow Glamour like a $40 pledger? Similar to BB is‘nt possible, or? In BB someone gave us a download link. But Glamour? I haven’t a clue to hack Glamour?! Is it possible?
 

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And then, as soon as the game starts to get interesting, in maybe a year or so... he'll just abandon it. :( just like he's already done for Glamour ( this game) Big Brother... etc...
 

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We don't play these games to "get in the shoes" of the often stupid
I don't mind your opinions or that you and me don't agree in some cases. But you make one of the most common misstakes on any board in this comment. Saying "We don't..." All i see is your opinion. Not We, as in all of us who play. If i want to know how the "We" reacts all i can do to get a fair estemate is look at statistics. All of them are clear. Players DO care about the sex of the MC and harem style games are more popular at this point in time.
I base all my thoughts on the numbers i see. What i personally feel is after all just my opinion, not the massas.
This post btw, was based on my opinion. So for the 80% argument.. We don't think you may be wrong.. I do :p
 

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I don't mind your opinions or that you and me don't agree in some cases. But you make one of the most common misstakes on any board in this comment. Saying "We don't..." All i see is your opinion. Not We, as in all of us who play. If i want to know how the "We" reacts all i can do to get a fair estemate is look at statistics. All of them are clear. Players DO care about the sex of the MC and harem style games are more popular at this point in time.
I base all my thoughts on the numbers i see. What i personally feel is after all just my opinion, not the massas.
This post btw, was based on my opinion. So for the 80% argument.. We don't think you may be wrong.. I do :p
I think by we he meant players that play games with female protag and he's quite right when it comes to it. It's obvious that such players won't immerse with a female when they're man. I don't and I've never heard anyone claiming such a thing. You're using the same generalization as the guy you quoted saying that "Players DO care about the sex " when it's clear that only some "Players DO care about the sex ". Factual data is everywhere as FMC games are probably as common as MMC on a sharing sites and it's silly to find player who play such games gay just as it would be silly to call someone gay cuz he watches porn and there is a dick.
 

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This game is shit and with every update it gets even worse. There is not a halfway interesting character, there is no story thread and the animations are terrible. I just can not understand why Dark-Silver gave up Big Brother for this crap.
 

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I don't mind your opinions or that you and me don't agree in some cases. But you make one of the most common misstakes on any board in this comment. Saying "We don't..." All i see is your opinion. Not We, as in all of us who play. If i want to know how the "We" reacts all i can do to get a fair estemate is look at statistics. All of them are clear. Players DO care about the sex of the MC and harem style games are more popular at this point in time.
I base all my thoughts on the numbers i see. What i personally feel is after all just my opinion, not the massas.
This post btw, was based on my opinion. So for the 80% argument.. We don't think you may be wrong.. I do :p
First thing first: Yeap, you are right about the "we don't..." part. I haven't asked that many people "why do you play those games". It is an assumptioned based on... personal preferences and what I see in discussions around the web.
Second: Clarification: the "80%" figure is out of my ass. I have not processed any significant data. It was a figure of speech. It could be 70% it could be 90%. I could be wrong and it could be 20%.

On the other things we obviously interpret the part of the data we see differently.
You assume that: - the vast majority of adult games have MMCs
- That is because the "consumer base" wants male MCs
- That Patreon income and the comments of this site are representative and present a solid sample

I disagree on all those.
For starters the people that play and enjoy adult games probably are in the many millions. People that support games in Patreon are in total what? 100K? 200K?
Second, the games that do well in Patreon are usually good games. Saying that "X game does well and has a male MC" doesn't mean that with a female MC it would do significantly worse.
Third, the actual game market, not patreon but the one making lots and lots of money and has hundreds of thousands of customers that buy such games . You can argue that #3 would be #1 if it had Male MC, but the difference is like 20% in sales.

And again: much much bigger than the porn games are the porn movies. These are mostly geared towards a male audience with a few exceptions, even though women watch porn too. Porn movies usually have female leads.
 
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oh man these discussions again. don't like it? don't pay/play it.
raging people already destroyed BB, i hope DS closes his eyes this time and makes his game as he want it to be. BB was destroyed because he was afraid of losing patreons and jumped on another bandwagon every month.
 
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Hey guys i havent been following this f95 thread since DS is posting all the news for free on patreon.how are the f95 masterminds gonna pirate this game?with the always online aspect,guests not having the save option,and the login in system it seems impossible.do you think it can be done?
 
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Glamour 0.3 Change log.jpg 0.3 Change log
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Authorization via Patreon. Only thing required is a Patreon account (registration is free, you don't need to give your card information either) and then you can login via Patreon in the game. You'll only have to do it once per device. You won't have to keep entering your password or authorizing on Patreon website every time you start the game. We kept the option to play as a guest, but the game won't be saving the progress if you don't login via Patreon. Once you login via Patreon, you have no reason to play as a guest, so instead of asking you if you want to play as a guest all the time, you'll only have to click on "keep playing". Once you log in via Patreon, the amount of content you get will depend on whether you support us, and on your supporter tier. $40+ Patrons will get new content on 5th of every month, $20+ — on 12th, $10+ — on 16th, $5+ — on 19th. Everyone else will get content two months later. Some features of 0.3 will become available for everyone, though, including guests.
Added useful information to login screen. You'll see your Patron tier, what game version is available to you, and the day you get next version of the game, if you're subscribed.

17 new NPCs: 10 students, 5 teachers, the nurse and the delivery boy. The game now has 19 (Julia and the principal already existed, even though Nicolas wasn't much of an NPC in 0.2).

Over 70 new new dialogs and monologues, including meeting new NPCs, conversation about hobbies and search for a job.

The game now shows day of the week and time of the day.

New dialogs on the first Sunday: trying on new college uniform with a bonus.

Series of dialogs and events for the first and second days of college (1st and 2nd of the month) where Kate meets all teachers, the nurse and some students.

New location — basement with a series of events and dialogs.

New delivery mechanic. First delivery of the game will be in the basement event. You'll be able to order things online in future versions of the game.

New monologue interface. Looks similar to dialog interface, but with only one character. Great for teachers teaching class, for example.

TV: 6 channels, including erotica. Kate can watch TV by herself or with Julia. They can discuss what they watch. We'll add some stuff here in the next couple of days.

Profile menu where you can see description for all NPCs. (There's not much of an order in there for now, but we'll add it soon).

Old bathroom event is replaced with a series of new ones. Added a new dialog about this.

Now Julia asks Kate to leave her room after 23:00.

New active areas for doors and some walls so you don't have to click on buttons to move between locations.

Clicking on a character opens a new interaction screen, where you can choose "meet" or "talk". We will add more options in the future.

The game autosaves when you go to sleep until morning. The game keeps 7 last saves to choose from.

New main menu at the start of the game and in-game. You can load saves from them.

All locations on the city map are open depending on their schedule, including week days.

Locations on the city map are only available if Kate know about them.

If Kate stays in fitness club, mall or college until they close, Kate automatically goes to the city map screen.

Backgrounds change depending on time of the day.

Backyard has four of those: morning, day, evening, night.

You can only use sunbed during the day.

Some interface improvements.

Fixed many bugs, added some new ones :)



Currently some players might have problems with authorizing through Patreon. We know about the problem and working on it.
 

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Dick move on not letting to save.. I get that people who paid get content first and all, but to restrict saving.. it's like kicking someone who's down on the floor..
 
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