VN Ren'Py Goth Gasp [v1.0.1] [Frost Mist]

[Vax Morale]

Cool, already bending to the demands of randoms... stick to your own vision man, make shit optional if you want to try and please everyone, but for every person who says 'i hate X' there's someone who likes it and you'll kill your own enthusiasm for making the game if you start cutting anything and everything you want to create just cause some gooner wrote a few paragraphs about their completely subjective preferences...

Even the gooners don't realize it's against their own interests, if a dev starts cutting content to please them and they then burn out due to being stuck creating content for appeasement instead of artistic passion then the game eventually gets abandoned and everyone misses out, including them... Just make the game you want to make, and tell the story that you want to tell...

The dev asked for feedback and got feedback and changed based on the feedback they asked for. Why do people always say stuff like this like the dev didn't literally ask for feedback. He didn't "bend to randoms"

 

[FrostMistGG]

Cool, already bending to the demands of randoms... stick to your own vision man, make shit optional if you want to try and please everyone, but for every person who says 'i hate X' there's someone who likes it and you'll kill your own enthusiasm for making the game if you start cutting anything and everything you want to create just cause some gooner wrote a few paragraphs about their completely subjective preferences...

Even the gooners don't realize it's against their own interests, if a dev starts cutting content to please them and they then burn out due to being stuck creating content for appeasement instead of artistic passion then the game eventually gets abandoned and everyone misses out, including them... Just make the game you want to make, and tell the story that you want to tell...

It’s okay. All that it came down to is adding a „do you want to skip” button in the hotfix and adding mc to two scenes later. Not much changed to be honest besides people being happier. So its a win win.
My aim is still the same. Tell the story that i want to tell. And i will stick to it

But i don’t want to overlook the good feedback that i asked for in the forst place. - and this little discussion here was actually good for the game i think.
Thanks tho. The message means a lot

 

[Ashru]

four things:

1. I really like the way MC and Mia joke around, when they get to know each other. Great stuff!
2. plx add rollbacks
3. if you want to implement some kind of free roam map stuff: How do you want to navigate the player through it? I’ve seen quite a few different approaches, and one of them really makes me happy. It’s when you can always see the available locations, and if something important is there, it’s marked with an exclamation mark. that fits my personal brain dead approach to games like yours.
4. please don´t add "choices" where you have to click 1 out of 1 examples. That´s just annoying and i never understood that decision.

Nevertheless: Keep it up! Love to seymour!

 

[KingRocket]

A goth harem with yandere?

 

[Noxedia]

So basically: Mia pulled off the company’s Super Bowl win, got fired the next morning, and now you two are running “Chaotic Startups R Us” with zero plan

 

[bobdickgus]

You think I should bother with dropping a hotfix allowing to skip the one lesbian scene with a giant "do you want to skip" button in the flashback or should i pray that people will just press the renpy skip button and forget my sin?

Can you reject the girls that have the canonical lesbian scene?

 

[MixQQ]

Can you reject the girls that have the canonical lesbian scene?

good question. I also would like to avoid these 2 useless characters during my playthrough. They already get too much screen time ugh..

 

[Meehaha]

It’s okay. All that it came down to is adding a „do you want to skip” button in the hotfix and adding mc to two scenes later. Not much changed to be honest besides people being happier. So its a win win.
My aim is still the same. Tell the story that i want to tell. And i will stick to it

But i don’t want to overlook the good feedback that i asked for in the forst place. - and this little discussion here was actually good for the game i think.
Thanks tho. The message means a lot

Loving the game so far.

Really hoping you have the confidence and conviction to tell the story as you want to tell it.

Whatever you do their will always be someone who doesn't like an aspect of YOUR story, equally someone who will absolutely love the same bit.

I don't comment often but would hate to see you be dragged from the story you want to tell as you want to tell it by the people who moan loudest on this or any other forum.

Most of the stories would end up kind of the same and boring if the loud minority had their say all the time.

Please don't forget its your story.

 

[Bobjock]

Yeah, I agree with this. Don't let anyone pressure you. Your off to a good start

 

[gthmf]

I am but a simple man...I see goth, I give try.

Thx and GL dev

Right up til seeing the guy has a stupid star on his face, like he's a stupid chick getting trendy tatts. Cause trendy.

 

[Joshuafunky1999]

Android port please

 

[FrostMistGG]

Right up til seeing the guy has a stupid star on his face, like he's a stupid chick getting trendy tatts. Cause trendy.

You don’t know the power that a cheesy tattoo has over some girls IRL and it shows. But it’s alright.

Anyways. About the star - Can’t wipe out the one I have on my face, so mc’s one stays as well.
✌~TrendyMist

 

[FrostMistGG]

four things:

1. I really like the way MC and Mia joke around, when they get to know each other. Great stuff!
2. plx add rollbacks
3. if you want to implement some kind of free roam map stuff: How do you want to navigate the player through it? I’ve seen quite a few different approaches, and one of them really makes me happy. It’s when you can always see the available locations, and if something important is there, it’s marked with an exclamation mark. that fits my personal brain dead approach to games like yours.
4. please don´t add "choices" where you have to click 1 out of 1 examples. That´s just annoying and i never understood that decision.

Nevertheless: Keep it up! Love to seymour!

1 Hahaha Thanks!!! I love writing them.
2 noted
3 i thought about something like you described but i havent started working on the map from the code side yet. Lately i finished the graphic design of it, and ill see later how i’ll do it, but the thing you said is close to what i wanted.
4 Noted but the one on the first date stays. Too iconic.

 

[Antibanguy]

I just finished the game players pre-fixed version 1.0. And I throw my 2 cents of feed back in.
1. For a first release it's quite nice in size. One can see that there was work put in things like ui. Thought a bit wasted for this release as for example the whole phone is only there as after thought that only shows some fun facts. As Gallery and Maps aren`t in it yet.
This may help the next update to be up faster as it may add the sandbox but for now it only appears at the bottom right without any notice. Personally I would add a scene where the player needs to use the phone, possibly when he and his friend wait for Mia's message.
On F95 most people know basic Renpy UI but tutorial/Introduction still help people less used to such games.
2. The music is just one Track. It may be lofi so most people have less problem with it playing all the time but it annoyed me quite fast as a 1 Track only. Sound effects are written, which is fine I guess(adding sound effects is quite a bit of work so i don t expect them).
3. If you know some renders have mistakes like earlier Cafe visits why not fix it shouldn't be too hard as you probably used default maps/ saved maps you made. I mean you know they are fucked up, shown in the small scribbles on them.
4. We stay at Visuals. I would advise you to loop your animations if you use them on loop or to let them end in a static image. Dunno if that's important to others but bad loops kinda annoy me.
5. I don't like your style. Sorry Way to many close ups that jump between two characters.
And the scene isn’t set up for Example first scene with Jade, Mia, Mc and Nick you have to guess that they are on the same street around the corner as there is never and shot showing both parties being on the same street letting Jade's push look like she just guessed someone is coming around the corner as there also isn't any mention of her that she heares/see someone coming.
6. It's just not for me. It's way too much just personal talk like I know more about Jade’s vacation than about my own. Like what she ate, how she liked it. That she tried to curse other tourists. Which can be fine. But like 90% of Talk in the game is just personal banter and stories. For people that wanna feel like they date this character this is nice I guess. But I personally like stories more when they focus a bit more. I'm 100% sure that there will be no relevance of me knowing about Lord Crumbington III the iron ruler in the future. Though I laugh at quite a few jokes/banters. It's to be expected by the amount of them happening.
7. To the dialogue comes for me they felt a bit sammy (could be me) As you used that people guess what the other person does/wear joke on multiply characters (it works good to show that the 2 involved people feel very close) but using it on Jade+ Mia and on Mia+ Mc made all this character feel the same as Jade was also a lot about bantering with others.
But I may be wrong as I got annoyed by dialog at the last date and turned my brain off. So take it with a grain of salt.

That's all I got from playing it once. I wish you the best of Luck. As a fellow game dev that procrastinates making his game for a whole year though only Ui is missing for the first release.

 

[fisty123]

Great start, then I came here and seen making changes to please a few people, went from an instant subscribe on Patreon to a I will wait it out for a while now see how it goes as them new skipable elements were well done but no it becomes a second thought and won't be used as much, it also shows if enough people complain more changes will keep taking place now.

Best of luck with your project, it is your project so your welcome to make changes as much as you like but it's a maybe for me now that them changes have been made.

 

[VeeBuggsy]

FrostMistGG Stick to your vision, please! The exceptionally loud voices of F95 wont even make up a minute fraction of your overall playerbase. You have a good style and should be able to make the game you want. Also, please consider making a Discord so that you can connect with your actual playerbase! Would love to see you out and about in other spaces than this echo chamber!

 

[FrostMistGG]

I just finished the game players pre-fixed version 1.0. And I throw my 2 cents of feed back in.
1. For a first release it's quite nice in size. One can see that there was work put in things like ui. Thought a bit wasted for this release as for example the whole phone is only there as after thought that only shows some fun facts. As Gallery and Maps aren`t in it yet.
This may help the next update to be up faster as it may add the sandbox but for now it only appears at the bottom right without any notice. Personally I would add a scene where the player needs to use the phone, possibly when he and his friend wait for Mia's message.
On F95 most people know basic Renpy UI but tutorial/Introduction still help people less used to such games.
2. The music is just one Track. It may be lofi so most people have less problem with it playing all the time but it annoyed me quite fast as a 1 Track only. Sound effects are written, which is fine I guess(adding sound effects is quite a bit of work so i don t expect them).
3. If you know some renders have mistakes like earlier Cafe visits why not fix it shouldn't be too hard as you probably used default maps/ saved maps you made. I mean you know they are fucked up, shown in the small scribbles on them.
4. We stay at Visuals. I would advise you to loop your animations if you use them on loop or to let them end in a static image. Dunno if that's important to others but bad loops kinda annoy me.
5. I don't like your style. Sorry Way to many close ups that jump between two characters.
And the scene isn’t set up for Example first scene with Jade, Mia, Mc and Nick you have to guess that they are on the same street around the corner as there is never and shot showing both parties being on the same street letting Jade's push look like she just guessed someone is coming around the corner as there also isn't any mention of her that she heares/see someone coming.
6. It's just not for me. It's way too much just personal talk like I know more about Jade’s vacation than about my own. Like what she ate, how she liked it. That she tried to curse other tourists. Which can be fine. But like 90% of Talk in the game is just personal banter and stories. For people that wanna feel like they date this character this is nice I guess. But I personally like stories more when they focus a bit more. I'm 100% sure that there will be no relevance of me knowing about Lord Crumbington III the iron ruler in the future. Though I laugh at quite a few jokes/banters. It's to be expected by the amount of them happening.
7. To the dialogue comes for me they felt a bit sammy (could be me) As you used that people guess what the other person does/wear joke on multiply characters (it works good to show that the 2 involved people feel very close) but using it on Jade+ Mia and on Mia+ Mc made all this character feel the same as Jade was also a lot about bantering with others.
But I may be wrong as I got annoyed by dialog at the last date and turned my brain off. So take it with a grain of salt.

That's all I got from playing it once. I wish you the best of Luck. As a fellow game dev that procrastinates making his game for a whole year though only Ui is missing for the first release.

OH woooow. Okay first of all thanks for taking the time to write all of this. Okay step by step now:
1 Whole phone is in because I couldnt just design, half a phone right hahaha. Anyways the goal was to have a working map, and gallery in 1.0 but i moved it to 1.1 cause it was overwhelming for me. Definitely will add scene of using phone.

2 Yeah, sound side of the game just completely crushed me sorry. i just went and bought some track on the net and called it a day.
One of my first patreon sub goals is to hire a sound designer or smth to completely rework (or rather create) game’s sound effects side. So that’s a thing that is written in the todolist. Right now for 1.1 i’ll just add few more songs and redistribute them accordingly to scenes.

3 Mostly i did that cause there were many corr mistakes, the exceptions are the scene in the cafe where i heavily customized the background only to find out it didnt render only month later and i didnt save the scene. So i just thought dropping a devnote gag would save me. And second exception was that the part where i drew over the clock in one scene and i left it cause it made my friends who playtested beta build to laugh out loud.

4 Working on making the videos better is noted in TDL. Will work in that for sure.

5 unfortunately (and fortunately) I like my style. My aim is to tell the story to feel like a movie with shots imitating that and not just having a typical 2 shots for whole convo.
also answering to the exact exmaple you brought up - the whole point of the scene is to find out that theyre on the same street in the moment of the push.
I don’t want to treat the player like someone who needs to have everything explained from the start of the scene. And thats just the way of my story writing so that probably wont change.

6 My main goal with the story here is to build deep and fleshed out characters and that,s exactly what i achieved judging by the various feedback. The main story arc is starting in 1.1 with all of the business startup thing but if I want to create a game with a good and engaging story, my main focus must be on the characters. Some might like it some may not. But that’s just how i write. And I will stick to it. Yes i want you to know about small details about character because that separates my harem from just a boring „Shes edgy, shes funny, shes wierd - now go fuck them, bye”
In all of my life - the most important memories i made were made not because of situations i was in - but because of people and their small details that were present with me in those moments. Thats what makes the good memories and story for me.

7 Well jade is mia’s best friend so there’s of course some similarities between how they talk. Thats exactly what i aimed for. For example my best friend irl and me are basically the same dude with a different skin an statistics.
But with the new characters joining the main cast from 1.1 onwards You will probably see a lot of changes in the dialogue vibes so thats not a thing to worry about. i will deliver good shit. I promise.

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Thanks for a huge feedback. Means a lot.
Like really a lot.
And hopefully i gave some satisfactory responses to your key points. Some might be to your liking some not but i try to be honest and true to myself.

And as of your procrastination level master - if you need a little help with that UI design, hit me up in DMs.
Maybe a little design help will give you a small push to finish the project.

 

[FrostMistGG]

Great start, then I came here and seen making changes to please a few people, went from an instant subscribe on Patreon to a I will wait it out for a while now see how it goes as them new skipable elements were well done but no it becomes a second thought and won't be used as much, it also shows if enough people complain more changes will keep taking place now.

Best of luck with your project, it is your project so your welcome to make changes as much as you like but it's a maybe for me now that them changes have been made.

Like i replied in a post before, came here for feedback. Adjusted some minor things to it and went back to work.
Seriously Only thing that changed was me adding a skip button to one scene and adding mc to two planned scenes way way later. (Which seriously changed ALMOST NOTHING lol and yet people will be happier) its a win win in my book and i dont see the issue with a change so little yet making alot of people satisfied. Its still a game i put out in public so i like to see people happy.

But!

I AM and I WILL stick to my script and my style and no ammount of people will make me change my vision.
Its still my game at the end of the day and i want to enjoy making it. And inwant to deliver my script and my style as best as i can.

But good feedback is just good feedback. And i will monitor it carefully.
If adding a skip button and two renders to one scene later makes a lot of people happier. Thats just a thing to add and move on.
Happy that you liked it. And hopefully 1.1 will make you belive in me and my project. Have a good day✌

 

[FrostMistGG]

FrostMistGG Stick to your vision, please! The exceptionally loud voices of F95 wont even make up a minute fraction of your overall playerbase. You have a good style and should be able to make the game you want. Also, please consider making a Discord so that you can connect with your actual playerbase! Would love to see you out and about in other spaces than this echo chamber!

See my reply above this one as it also can be a reply to your message.

as for discord i will make it soon.
I will post an update here when ill finish setting it up.

 

[FrostMistGG]

Android port please

Will look into in when 1.1 will be finished. Not promising anything but i will try.