VN Ren'Py Guilty Pleasure [v0.41] [Quonix]

[Faptime]

Personally, I don't like the MC and the sister going to the party. The MC participating displease me as much as the sister doing the same, so I don't exactly like him as the protagonist. I dismiss the girls from the party as LIs, while I dismiss the MC as the protagonist of a game that I might like.

For me to like the game, not only have to include a reason so that the sister isn't a slut who goes to a party to lose her virginity with "someone". Personally, the MC should show that he isn't a character only interested in sex (which, in fact, is the impression I have of him) I may have misinterpreted the MC (although I don't think, nor did I understand this when I was playing the game, that he attended the party looking for a girlfriend. Rather a quick fuck)

But I guess this is all just personal appreciation. Likewise, most of the players are happy with the MC taking part in the party, while they dislike the sister doing the same. I suppose that both opinions are equally valid (like that of the people who liked the party).

Yeah, if having the MC attend a sex party once is a deal breaker for the player, where there will be some no-strings-attached sex, then this game is simply not for them.

It's a plot point, the impetus of MC's relationship with his sister. It gets the ball rolling.

Now, the Dev has said that there is no NTR in the game, so this scene is probably a one-off, like a grad party is supposed to be.

But we know the Dev (rightly so) doesn't consider voyeurism as NTR, and the Dev has already put voyeur content in the game. If watching other characters besides the MC have sex is a deal-breaker for a player, then this game is probably not for them.

 

[The Daydreamer]

I was pretty hyped after the first release but this update was kinda disappointing. Immersion (no choice to make as the MC so we couldn't make this experience closer to our liking and it felt more like being a passenger following the flow instead of playing as the MC) and character's development are things that I look for before things get really serious so that was a miss in my book.

Maybe go back and reread the bit about, What you didn't expect, was that this little party would awaken new feelings in you, and in the person now closest to you. It did exactly what it said on the tin.

I expected things going like they did but I still think the dev took a step too far. The sparkle could have been ignited thanks to the party without ending up with sex (sleeping naked in the same sleeping bag and maybe getting a little too excited but still putting a stop to it before crossing the Rubicon) so we could end up being with a more meaningful scene down the line (and more privacy for fuck sake! ) with some build-up in their relationship before that...

But looks like the dev means business and won't fuck around for a few years before things get serious Still, that was a bit too fast to my liking but to each his own I guess

Ok so the two of them went there for a cheap bang (probably the only negative being the sister being up for that)

In the first release, I thought the sister was free spirited and was just on a dry spell so it was pretty surprising to find out she was a virgin... I don't really understand this setup from her POV... She's lovely, she could have any guy anytime if she just wanted to lose her v-card so maybe, there's some twist in there somewhere (cause why would you plan to lose your virginity like that in front of other people with your brother among them in the first place?)

At the end of the day, the MC's behavior bothers me a lot more cause we don't have any choice in the matter and I'm supposed to put myself in his shoes... In the first release, he was a random guy wanting to get laid so it's a bit hard to swallow that he would go that far even with booze and his libido through the roof! xD

 

[BlasKyau]

Yeah, if having the MC attend a sex party once is a deal breaker for the player, where there will be some no-strings-attached sex, then this game is simply not for them.

It's a plot point, the impetus of MC's relationship with his sister. It gets the ball rolling.

Now, the Dev has said that there is no NTR in the game, so this scene is probably a one-off, like a grad party is supposed to be.

But we know the Dev (rightly so) doesn't consider voyeurism as NTR, and the Dev has already put voyeur content in the game. If watching other characters besides the MC have sex is a deal-breaker for a player, then this game is probably not for them.

I'm more bothered by the feeling that the MC is only looking for sex and doesn't care with whom, than the fact that he's participating in the sex party (which too). Although it's always possible that both the MC and his sister will "redeem" themselves in the next update.

In any case I am more into romance games, and for now I do not see it in that way, so I'm not sure that I can get to like it.

 

[Faptime]

I'm more bothered by the feeling that the MC is only looking for sex and doesn't care with whom, than the fact that he's participating in the sex party (which too). Although it's always possible that both the MC and his sister will "redeem" themselves in the next update.

In any case I am more into romance games, and for now I do not see it in that way, so I'm not sure that I can get to like it.

I think neither of the siblings were in love with anyone at the start of the game so the party was just fine for them. It was just suppsosed to be some sexytime fun.

The way things shook out, though, is what's going to start the romance between them.

They went in expecting one thing, and found something more almost by accident.

We'll see how the Dev takes things from here, but given the premise in the OP, this is what I'm expecting.

 

[Chaste Degenerate]

The NTR complaints are just getting ridiculous. Especially when so many people complaining don't even seem to know what it is.

Before complaining about NTR, please try to understand the definition first.

The tag is defined on F95Zone as:

"Ntr [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]"

https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2019-03-24.10394/

But more specifically NTR is Netorare. There are a few other similar Japanese terms that get associated with it, but it is specifically the netorare definition.

It is a style of writing. It is not only designed to get the MC upset with unapproved cheating, it is also designed to create an emotional reaction in the reader, watcher, or game player. Almost an attempt to make the reader feel like he or she was cheated on.

I can understand not liking something like that, when the story is designed to specifically make you feel like you were cheated on. But then again that's what hundreds of TV shows and movies do.

The most common mistaken definition is cuckolding. Cuckold is a surprisingly old term from the 13th century that refers to a guy being cheated on. The modern porn definition of cuckolding is that somebody gets off on their partner banging somebody else. Because it isn't designed to make someone upset it isn't actually NTR.

What's really funny is that an MC can bang like 40 different girls, but the second one of those girls bangs someone else, the person playing the game gets upset. Has our sensitivity really gotten that bad? Do we need a coddled player section?

Ever watch real porn? A dozen guys bang a dozen girls, and nobody bats an eye. (Okay, well the anti-porn groups who think people should save themselves until their 5th anniversary.)

I play these games to be entertained, and a good story is part of that. If people are expecting to be coddled in their visual novels that might mean they aren't mature enough to be on this site.

Since F95 has their definition of NTR, I believe any "complaints" about it should refer to that specific definition.

Rant over. (I believe this is my first.)

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

I'm honestly annoyed that Amy won't be a LI.

I actually really liked her model.

And if you do end up boning heater and she has a boyfriend,and Mark (maybe) tells you about banging her,does that count as NTR?

I'm a little shook by devs Culture Shock background.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Ok so I still had some games to play before this one but I saw that this thread turned into a shitstorm so I had to check what the big deal was. Anyone that knows me from other threads probably knows that I am not a fan of the three letter fetish, that being said, that is not what happens here, no one is getting "stolen" from the mc and he doesn't seem to have a romantic interest in any of the girls at the moment, he is just there to fuck. Was I a fan of the content in this update? Not really. In these games I am not really interested in seeing other males having sex with girls. The sister and her friends come off as very slutty and that is not really the type of characters that I am interested in. It's not a deal breaker for me, I am still interested in the game. Let's see what the next update brings.

 

[Naxos]

Ok so I still had some games to play before this one but I saw that this thread turned into a shitstorm so I had to check what the big deal was. Anyone that knows me from other threads probably knows that I am not a fan of the three letter fetish, that being said, that is not what happens here, no one is getting "stolen" from the mc and he doesn't seem to have a romantic interest in any of the girls at the moment, he is just there to fuck. Was I a fan of the content in this update? Not really. In these games I am not really interested in seeing other males having sex with girls. The sister and her friends come off as very slutty and that is not really the type of characters that I am interested in. It's not a deal breaker for me, I am still interested in the game. Let's see what the next update brings.

Out of reacts, but well put.

 

[Badjourasmix]

What's really funny is that an MC can bang like 40 different girls, but the second one of those girls bangs someone else, the person playing the game gets upset. Has our sensitivity really gotten that bad? Do we need a coddled player section?

I agree with most of what you said, the only thing I disagree with is the part that I quoted. I don't think the issue is necessarly the players being too sensitive. I think a lot of people play these games to fulfill certain fantasies and usually those fantasies don't include the girls they are interested in, having sex with other guys. There is a reason why people like and want to be able to name their characters, and they want to be able to make choices in the game, it's because they want to play as if they were the main character in the game. If you are playing as if you were the guy in the game, in most cases, you want to be the one doing the banging, and you want the girls for yourself.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I agree with most of what you said, the only thing I disagree with is the part that I quoted. I don't think the issue is necessarly the players being too sensitive. I think a lot of people play these games to fulfill certain fantasies and usually those fantasies don't include the girls they are interested in, having sex with other guys. There is a reason why people like and want to be able to name their characters, and they want to be able to make choices in the game, it's because they want to play as if they were the main character in the game. If you are playing as if you were the guy in the game, in most cases, you want to be the one doing the banging, and you want the girls for yourself.

I'm torn. I admit you have a case for some, but fucking a' others seem damn overly sensitive as well. Not just those against certain content but on both sides of the fence.

Both sensitivity and entitlement do appear in these threads too often imo.

 

[Badjourasmix]

I'm torn. I admit you have a case for some, but fucking a' others seem damn overly sensitive as well. Not just those against certain content but on both sides of the fence.

Both sensitivity and entitlement do appear in these threads too often imo.

Yeah I wouldn't say that there aren't some sensitive people on this forum, there are quite a few of them. I just think that it's not a good thing when we just dismiss everyone as being too sensitive. People usually are a little more complex than that. I can see where some people are coming from, the sister is supposed to be one of the main girls and this update didn't make her look very good. After reading through the thread it looks like that maybe she actually isn't the slutty type. But if you just play the update, you don't know that, and that can be a turn off for a lot of people, especially since the slutty sister trope is so overused.

 

[Naxos]

I'm torn. I admit you have a case for some, but fucking a' others seem damn overly sensitive as well. Not just those against certain content but on both sides of the fence.

Both sensitivity and entitlement do appear in these threads too often imo.

Yeah I wouldn't say that there aren't some sensitive people on this forum, there are quite a few of them. I just think that it's not a good thing when we just dismiss everyone as being too sensitive. People usually are a little more complex than that. I can see where some people are coming from, the sister is supposed to be one of the main girls and this update didn't make her look very good. After reading through the thread it looks like that maybe she actually isn't the slutty type. But if you just play the update, you don't know that, and that can be a turn off for a lot of people, especially since the slutty sister trope is so overused.

You both know me pretty well compared to others in the is tread.

Normally I'm one to not enjoy the "others" scene. I can't say I enjoyed it here, but I certainly didn't hate it or think it was wrong or out of place. It really made sense in the context of that scene.

What I find really funny is people moaning about the slutty virginal sister, yet some of those same people had zero issue with the totally slutty and whorish daughter in powers that be. So Lilly wanted to punch her v-card. There is no reason to believe she would have gone through with it had she been paired with one of the other guys, maybe she would have gotten one of the dudes and decided she didn't want him to be the one or something. 2 of the 4 (not counting Mc& Lilly) couples did nothing.

I'm looking forward to future updates, and can't wait to see how the MC brings his mom and older sister into this. Personally, I'm just hoping the overused bi-sexual sisters/mom trope is not used, but the dev needs to do what he wants to do.

 

[Badjourasmix]

You both know me pretty well compared to others in the is tread.

Normally I'm one to not enjoy the "others" scene. I can't say I enjoyed it here, but I certainly didn't hate it or think it was wrong or out of place. It really made sense in the context of that scene.

What I find really funny is people moaning about the slutty virginal sister, yet some of those same people had zero issue with the totally slutty and whorish daughter in powers that be. So Lilly wanted to punch her v-card. There is no reason to believe she would have gone through with it had she been paired with one of the other guys, maybe she would have gotten one of the dudes and decided she didn't want him to be the one or something. 2 of the 4 (not counting Mc& Lilly) couples did nothing.

I'm looking forward to future updates, and can't wait to see how the MC brings his mom and older sister into this. Personally, I'm just hoping the overused bi-sexual sisters/mom trope is not used, but the dev needs to do what he wants to do.

Yeah the scenes with the other girls didn't bother me that much, as I said it's not something I particularly want to see in these games but in the context of the story it made sense. I never played the game you mentioned so I can't really comment about that. Personally I am not interested in the slutty type characters, the way she was presented it seemed like she just wanted to fuck a guy, maybe I missed it but I don't remember the game mentioning that she was a virgin so it made her seem like she was the type of girl that just fucks around. Nothing wrong with that but it's not the type of character that a lot of people want to pursue in these games.

 

[Naxos]

Must admit I missed the part about her being a virigin too, but others here have commented she was. Who knows, maybe I'll replay it or maybe it was changed. I saw someone commenting on a lack of end of version screen to warn to save, but I got that.

Edit: Replaying I see no reference to her being a virgin.

 

[The Daydreamer]

especially since the slutty sister trope is so overused.

To be fair, the innocent/inexperienced type who needs her big bro sexual wisdom is a trope even more overused! Not that I mind (in fact, I kinda dig that trope! xD) but when I thought the younger sister was free spirited and had plenty of experience, I remember thinking "That's different" ^^ The big sister is usually the one who's bitchy and more forward when it comes to sex.

At the end of the day, the younger sis was still a virgin which makes this all ordeal a bit weird for me but I guess we'll see next update if there was something going on behind the scenes.

I don't remember the game mentioning that she was a virgin so it made her seem like she was the type of girl that just fucks around.

The dev is the one who stated she was a virgin and that there were reasons behind her behavior that will be revealed next update. But I agree with you, I would have never thought she was a virgin and the scenes made more sense to me before the dev's comment!

 

[Badjourasmix]

The dev said she was a virgin when he was responding to people about the update. I am pretty sure the game doesn't mention it but I could be wrong. But yeah even if she was a virgin, it's still not really a good look when she basically hints that she just wants to lose it and it doesn't really matter with who it is. I am still looking forward to the next update to see where the story goes with her, but as of right now, with the information we have about her, it's not really a character that I am interested in pursuing. Maybe the next update changes that, it wouldn't be the first time that I would change my mind about a character.

 

[HansDampf788]

yet some of those same people had zero issue with the totally slutty and whorish daughter in powers that be

Yeah no I played the first version of Power that Be and wasn't a fan of the niece but that game still had the daughter and the other girls. I waited for a few updates to be released to have more content to play through so I haven't played more than the initial version because after hearing that the daughter was a slut I voiced my dislike about that and abandoned the game so who I ok with that in one game but not in another.

 

[Naxos]

Yeah no I played the first version of Power that Be and wasn't a fan of the niece but that game still had the daughter and the other girls. I waited for a few updates to be released to have more content to play through so I haven't played more than the initial version because after hearing that the daughter was a slut I voiced my dislike about that and abandoned the game so who I ok with that in one game but not in another.

I forced myself through the shitty teenage speak and massive overuse of the pop culture, but hearing of the daughters exploits and her "it just means I'll be better at sex for" was the Alt+F4, delete and empty recycle bin moment. You're not missing out there.

Back on topic here, I'm still thinking the dev and pull it out the fire and do well. I think a lot of people who wanted to jump ship now, should at least wait for the next update before judging it too harshly.

 

[Lerd0]

I think a lot of people who wanted to jump ship now, should at least wait for the next update before judging it too harshly.

So see ya in 4 months then?

 

[Chaste Degenerate]

I agree with most of what you said, the only thing I disagree with is the part that I quoted. I don't think the issue is necessarly the players being too sensitive. I think a lot of people play these games to fulfill certain fantasies and usually those fantasies don't include the girls they are interested in, having sex with other guys. There is a reason why people like and want to be able to name their characters, and they want to be able to make choices in the game, it's because they want to play as if they were the main character in the game. If you are playing as if you were the guy in the game, in most cases, you want to be the one doing the banging, and you want the girls for yourself.

I somewhat regret posting just because I am contributing to these discussions that I don't see benefiting people who want to discuss the game.

About the comment about banging 40 girls then getting upset about one of those girls banging someone else, it was kind of more to make a point, not to put down anyone interests. The problem isn't wanting a VN to go a certain way, the problem is having a freak out because it doesn't.

I don't enjoy any gay content myself. I don't feel I have a right to go out and complain or down vote all the gay games just because that isn't my interest. If I ever review something, (avoided it so far on F95), I would make an effort to leave my tastes out of it, or make it more of a side note. I probably miss out on a lot of great games because it's gay focused, but that content was not made for someone like me. I did know a girl that was really into guy on guy action, so she might love games like that. (She got turned on when I was harassing her boyfriend.)

But part of my comment is also that these are stories and games. The whole purpose of a story or game is that you don't exactly know what is going to happen. The story adds to the excitement, the game adds some sort of challenges, and at least makes it seem like you earned it.

I would suggest that people open themselves up to different experiences in these games. My tastes have expanded as a result of relaxing and letting myself explore new experiences in porn and games. One game had a futa option for a character, and I saved the spot and decided to check it out, but still not me. I went way outside my comfort zone, but without that we don't grow and evolve.

Now more games are of interest to me, more types of females are attractive to me. Sure we can generally focus on our interests, but it doesn't hurt to sometimes try something else on the menu.