Forgotted

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First off, Skode.....you should change your opinion abt Kali.
She's our Sugar Mamma now don't cha know? lol

Kinky_One, I understand your comments, but also that they are coming from someone who has played the game before.
If you were a new player, you would never know about the deleted/changed scenes.

As someone mentioned, this isn't a finished product, but a developing one. Oh, and it's also Runey's developing project, not ours to dictate changes. Heck, Runey could wake up tomorrow and decide to kill off all the characters as is his choice. I think he has been exceedingly gracious when dealing with all of our questions, comments, and ideas.
You know some folks complain all the time about the file size? So if some changes have to be made to accommodate them then others get upset.

This isn't a suck up post to Runey. I've asked about things before and he's responded very kindly. I did, however, see another game developer recently on f95 cursing out everyone and threatening to stop working on the game and just being all around ugly.

Since Runey sees the overall picture of how his project will turn out and I don't, I'm just going to enjoy the ride.
Oh also

LIN RULES!! lol
 

Kinky_One

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Of course this is Runey's game, don't get me wrong. But as a player I can still give some feedback, even if sometimes they can be a bit on the angry-ish side.

And also, maybe i'm just a bit salty with how the gave has developed. To be honest, i have been on and off of this game for a while now, and don't think i ever got past the elvens island quest. I just get bored, and end up reminding why I hate visual novels in the first place: too much talking, very little action. One thing i liked about HH is that the game started very focused on the action. On walking around and interacting with this characters. And now it seems each update brings longer and longer scenes, to the point of being overwelming and making me wish there was a "skip" button to them.

Some smaller scenes more focused on the porn could be a very nice way to balance things out. And new caffe or beach scenes could improve on one of the games's least explored aspects, that being the exhibitionism. But then, when we do get something along those lines, it's at the expense of the content that was already there. It's... pretty disappointing, to say the least.
 

TheDevian

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So, after playing for a while, i feel like i have to vent a bit:

I really, really, really hate when games remove content :( I'm talking about the old Kali scenes in the caffe, or the old Lin scenes in the caffe. Like, those scenes were fine, even very hot, and i just can't understand why they were removed. For Lin i think it's just to keep the number of exhibitionism scenes always 4? Because if so, it's a pretty unresonable limit. Why not expand on them? Giving characters more exhibitionism scenes? So now if a character receive new ones, the old ones will need to be gone? Just "because reasons"?

Kali's ones are an even worse exemple. Her new scenes are not even in the caffe. Why not let her have both? It's because the other characters only have one set? Honestly, if so, that's a pretty backwards way of thinking. This could be a nice opportunity to test giving each character both, caffe and beach scenes. Would diversify a part of the game that has been pretty much the same since forever. Instead, again, if we get new content on this side, it's at the expense of the old content.

And yeah, the mod put Kali's scenes back (not Lin's, tho), but i don't think it should have. And i can't understand why the dev thought that would be the best way to go. It honestly puts all the game in a very fragile state. Like one scene? Better pray it's not taken out for apparently no good reason.
I kind of agree with you. While I love the new ones, the cafe ones were some of my favorite scenes in the game for my favorite girl. Most are a decided improvement, but losing these makes me sad. Her and Maria are the most into the whole exhibitionism thing (maybe Lin after that), so they should have the most scenes anyway.

My main issue with the new scenes is that they feel like they happen AFTER the ones in the cafe, the first scene has her completely stripping and being manhandled in a much more public place than the cafe. I feel like she should already have a 10 or more to even do the first scene. She seems well trained by this point.

I don't think these should change, but they should be a continuation of the old ones, she should need to get to at least the 3rd cafe event before the first beach one is unlocked (IMO). It would make much more sense that way I think, a much more natural progression.

I don't like using mods on games that are not complete, since it tends to cause issues, the least of which making we wait before I can play the update (lol), so that won't be an option for me for a while. Luckily, I still have an older version on my other pc. lol
 

Kinky_One

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My main issue with the new scenes is that they feel like they happen AFTER the ones in the cafe, the first scene has her completely stripping and being manhandled in a much more public place than the cafe. I feel like she should already have a 10 or more to even do the first scene. She seems well trained by this point.
I agree on that. It feels weird for her very first exhibitionism scene to be already getting naked. Compared with showing her boobs, it's pretty jarring. For a game that people praise a lot for it's story, it's a very bad change story-wise
 

Runey

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As you say each to their own - breasts are well covered across all sizes on your game but we really gonna nerf the biggest ones? Its just her and Ann with the mega melons... i mean there would no danger of inflating Ashleys so not sure the reasoning behind changing the figure of Jin's. Android at least gives us the option. Ive said many times already now the things i most love about her is the THICC body and her personality to which shes completely unabashed or ashamed about her attitude to sex. If this is an issue i presume were gonna change Marie too? It was a given the likes of the brand would go but her dress style does not at least to me equate to slave... the collar and chain of course is akin to the brand but the dress? is that really what you were going for? She has had plenty of freedom for some time since the update which allowed us to add her to the hotel (couple of years now surely) and ive seen no dialogue of the MC offering her zero control in anything from how she dresses to the brand to her personality around him or others yet now its an issue?

Even in the first event you wrote you also maintained Jin's defiant persona regarding her body and her using drugs to maintain it against Lin no less and i praised you for it and called out Lin saying even in recent post that it made me think less of Lin having zero consideration to what Jin had to say on the matter... it was Lin wants so Lin shall get. Still its your game. I can only express my disappointment in the direction you're taking the character just like ive expressed regarding Ashley. Besides that one event though i have to plead ignorance regarding the hints you've dropped for some time... i don't recall any such hints and as said even in that one event it wasn't hints coming from Jin and more instead pressure from her darling of other Patreons Lin (im not even joking, i replayed from scratch after revamped scenes coaxed me into checking them out but missed said hints in their entirety). The game used to have characters for EVERYONE... now its just characters for the masses as the extreme ones like Jin and Ashley get utterly neutered of the very things which made them unique in the first place.

I dont see the pay off in all this - was Jin really so offensive as is shes gotta get the complete 180 treatment? As if we dont have adoring waifus being pissed on in the dungeon against their otherwise shown nature? we're all aware that we dont have to consider it canon but a side treat for those who like things a bit more extreme. Not anymore though i suppose, my hype for this patch has certainly gotten the full 180 treatment and were nowhere even near close to playing it yet haha. This is my fave porn game and my fave character, i shouldn't be this triggered but i am. I apologise if i'm coming off as an ass or being unconstructive in anyway but i gotta speak my mind on it. You undersell the Ashley change - less crazy does not mean you had to completely remove the femdom aspects of her character as has been the case going forward for a LONG time (outside optional i assume non canon like Dungeon content in the maxed Lust Mechanic) so i don't think i'm over reacting at least to how much Jin is gonna change and be as i called it Older Lin based on that evidence.
The pay off will be a happy, healthy mind and body. And Lin's big sister back.

Jin is a drug addict, you don't ignore drug addicts when they're your family, you help them.

Of course this is Runey's game, don't get me wrong. But as a player I can still give some feedback, even if sometimes they can be a bit on the angry-ish side.

And also, maybe i'm just a bit salty with how the gave has developed. To be honest, i have been on and off of this game for a while now, and don't think i ever got past the elvens island quest. I just get bored, and end up reminding why I hate visual novels in the first place: too much talking, very little action. One thing i liked about HH is that the game started very focused on the action. On walking around and interacting with this characters. And now it seems each update brings longer and longer scenes, to the point of being overwelming and making me wish there was a "skip" button to them.

Some smaller scenes more focused on the porn could be a very nice way to balance things out. And new caffe or beach scenes could improve on one of the games's least explored aspects, that being the exhibitionism. But then, when we do get something along those lines, it's at the expense of the content that was already there. It's... pretty disappointing, to say the least.
I kind of agree with you. While I love the new ones, the cafe ones were some of my favorite scenes in the game for my favorite girl. Most are a decided improvement, but losing these makes me sad. Her and Maria are the most into the whole exhibitionism thing (maybe Lin after that), so they should have the most scenes anyway.

My main issue with the new scenes is that they feel like they happen AFTER the ones in the cafe, the first scene has her completely stripping and being manhandled in a much more public place than the cafe. I feel like she should already have a 10 or more to even do the first scene. She seems well trained by this point.

I don't think these should change, but they should be a continuation of the old ones, she should need to get to at least the 3rd cafe event before the first beach one is unlocked (IMO). It would make much more sense that way I think, a much more natural progression.

I don't like using mods on games that are not complete, since it tends to cause issues, the least of which making we wait before I can play the update (lol), so that won't be an option for me for a while. Luckily, I still have an older version on my other pc. lol
A few of Kali's remade exhibitionism content maintains the feeling of the old ones, specifically the last because people really enjoyed it.

As for Kali being too into it at the beginning, half the main cast start with nudity. On top of that, Android and F&E's exhibitionism will be remade at some point (at least the earlier for F&E, and I may keep the old android scenes since she has two forms).

I can't do much with "Take your top off". It's just flashing the tits, it's going to be very hard to make anything enjoyable and something that lasts longer than 30 seconds with "take your top off" every single time. And I honestly doubt players want 8 events showing "Here's my tits, k done." when you can see them bounce in their room at any other time. Or just look at them during inspections. Besides, on a beach, every man and woman is essentially down to their undies anyway. So we've already established a bar for lewdness.

The old ones were replaced because the image quality was poor, the animations were horrible, and it didn't match up with the rest of the game.

And Kinky_One, visuals novels are just that. Novels with visuals. You can certainly expect more words.
 
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TheDevian

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A few of Kali's remade exhibitionism content maintains the feeling of the old ones, specifically the last because people really enjoyed it.

As for Kali being too into it at the beginning, half the main cast start with nudity. On top of that, Android and F&E's exhibitionism will be remade at some point (at least the earlier for F&E, and I may keep the old android scenes since she has two forms).

I can't do much with "Take your top off". It's just flashing the tits, it's going to be very hard to make anything enjoyable and something that lasts longer than 30 seconds with "take your top off" every single time. And I honestly doubt players want 8 events showing "Here's my tits, k done." when you can see them bounce in their room at any other time. Or just look at them during inspections. Besides, on a beach, every man and woman is essentially down to their undies anyway. So we've already established a bar for lewdness.

The old ones were replaced because the image quality was poor, the animations were horrible, and it didn't match up with the rest of the game.
I get that, but it's not just about seeing her tits, as nice as they are, nor even the animations, or whatever. It is about logical progression, embarrassment, pushing her limits each time, and so on. It is more about the dialogue there, getting her to admit that it would be hot, and then doing it. Watching her get embarrassed in front of Hazel and the rest of the shop as she strips to her underwear, then convincing her to remove her bra and pose. It's about watching her slowly getting used to and turned on by it. I mean, Lin's new first one barely shows any skin, and there are no issues there really. You added a nice new twist with it for Ashley's, making her order that way, same with Maria. At least with Maria, it makes sense, she is far more open at first and less shy thanks to her cam shows, and her new events reflect that quite well. Everything about it works, fits her personality, good progression, mild resistance, and she is getting turned on just thinking about it.

I mean, maybe it plays out differently now, I only can go by my memory since I just don't have the free time to replay that much until my demo is done, if then, but she just seems way too well trained in those first two scenes. I thought the sexier outfits were kind of tied to that stat, but even if they are walking around naked in the hotel, or their rooms, that's not the same as in public (though it is a start). It is one thing to get naked in front of your lover, but something else to do that in front of strangers ...in a public place. Unless it's a clothing optional beach, and sex acts are the only thing prohibited (based on Maria's dialogue in that one scene where she talked about someone calling the cops, which seems really out of place in this world so far, but I digress).

Exhibitionism isn't just about seeing skin, it's about the embarrassment, about doing things in places that are not 'normal', the sexual thrill of being seen in an embarrassing situation, and in Kali's case, her token resistance in places. I do agree, her last one keeps the same feeling as the original, with her rape fetish (though I did like her calling him Daddy there in the old one out of the blue), and I do enjoy her new ones a lot, but without the cafe ones, this feels like there is no progression, no resistance until the end, like she starts fully trained as both an exhibitionist and a submissive (does her dialogue change based on her levels? If so, that could be why it seems so jarring). I mean, the 2nd one, he doesn't even have ask her to strip, he just tells her to do yoga on the beach, and she strips without even being told. As a 2nd event, that seems too much, as a 5th or 6th event though, that seems perfect. More events also makes sense considering you changed how the progression of it works, points wise ...more fun, less grinding the same scene over and over. I mean, I am not sure what the new requirements are, but I assume one star per level/event...?

I am really sorry if this is annoying you, and I will mostly drop it if you want me to, but those first 3 with Kali were some of my favorite repeatables in the whole game, I have replayed them all hundreds of times (thought not saved them all), the only one who could compete before the change was Emma, and that was mostly because that was the only way to grind her titjob and sex stats. While I agree, the animations and lighting were not the best in her early scenes, from a story, kink, and progression perspective, they were almost perfection (IMO).

Most of them were a big change for the better so far, and Kali's new ones are awesome, though I still hope that for ones like Lin's striping one or Maria's old sex one, (I liked her first one a lot), that we could choose which one we see. Also, while it doesn't bother me, Maria's old one had the peeing part optional, and the new one is not, while I like that level of watersports, especially with some pet play, not all of us do, so you might consider that, up to you.

The way I play it, I always start with the first event, roll back and play the 2nd event, and then roll back and watch the 3rd one before I end the scene and go back to the hotel (usually the one with the points I am trying to grind, and honestly, the sex itself is the least interesting part of those scenes to me). So, perhaps one option to make it more interesting, at the end of the early events, have an option to continue once you have unlocked and done the next event. The one I think needs it the most though, like I said before, is Kali's new yoga one, when she presents her ass to you, we should have the option to dive in and start eating her out right there once we have already done that cunny one, not sure how anyone could resist. :sneaky:

Maybe if you do that, there could be a random chance that someone will catch you and make you leave, that goes up for each time up string the events together, like Hazel in the cafe or some Karen or religious nut on the beach who starts yelling at you to stop, ending the scene early... lol

Again, my apologies, I don't want to be a pain about this.
 
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Redgrave66

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So i just started this game and i noticed the (Urination) tag, could anyone tell me the routes i need to take to get to those asap?
 

c3p0

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not trying to be greedy but can someone link me the new beta, i wouldn't have asked if patreon accepted my fucking Mastercard cuz rejoin block bullshit
Neither do I want to be read as an asshohle or rude or so on.
Yet:
  1. There is none beta out yet - only an alpha
  2. Not all of us are giving Runey money or at least not 20$ per month
  3. I tend to wager, that none of the 20$, 10$ or even 5$ Patreons would leak the alphas, betas or even pre versions here
  4. It is only your word saying that you try to pay for this tier
  5. You are a newbie, sure around for three years, but only 3 post yet. Thus we can't know you good and I couldn't make a decision about you, because I'm simple lack the experience based on my interactions with you.
So, all in all, I see your chance for this to happen very low.
 
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z_zack

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not trying to be greedy but can someone link me the new beta, i wouldn't have asked if patreon accepted my fucking Mastercard cuz rejoin block bullshit
i appreciate your honesty dude, i completely understand
Neither do I want to be read as an asshohle or rude or so on.
Yet:
  1. There is none beta out yet - only an alpha
  2. Not all of us are giving Runey money or at least not 20$ per month
  3. I tend to wager, that none of the 20$, 10$ or even 5$ Patreons would leak the alphas, betas or even pre versions here
  4. It is only your word saying that you try to pay for this tier
  5. You are a newbie, sure around for three years, but only 3 post yet. Thus we can't know you good and I couldn't make a decision about you, because I'm simple lack the experience based on my interactions with you.
So, all in all, I see your chance for this to happen very low.
i appreciate your honesty dude, i completely understand it's a creator choice to share for publics or not at the end he is the one who created it he have all rights to do what ever he want and agree with him 100%
 

Jack Wayn

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I haven't played this game in a long time but i see a lot of people talking about maria, did she get raped or something I'm confused, can someone explain to me what happened, i don't mind spoilers but i don't want to play a game that has rape its just not my thing.
 
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