that and it would wreck the voices I use in my head for them.
Am I odd for doing that? putting voices to characters dialogue?
having said that, I'm not objectionable to a larger file size if voices were added, but thats a hell of a lot of work for Runey to do/payout for.
Indeed, no, you aren't odd for doing that, I do it as well.
Wait, so we aren't going to march on Cornwall's place with torches and pitchforks like he's Frankenstein's monster?
*sadly puts pitchfork away*
Bro you have to let go about what happened in the past with your girlfriend. You're too chained by it and because of that any newcomers you would meet, see or hear, you would reject them instantly. And that fear is one of the reasons why this game won't upgrade. It's not that you don't like sounds in games (i'm pretty much sure you watch your favorite porns with sounds all the time), it's because you're scared to accept and try something new. Stop being so selfish and let people who would want to have the game with sounds, have it. It won't change anything to the story or characters if there's a toggle option (even without it). People would hate as always (like with any new creation or ideas during the first few weeks) but as always *rolling eyes*, when they start adapting and realizing it ain't that bad, you'll start hearing shts like: "damnn lin has a sexy voice!" . People will already like it because of Runey's talent and experience (give the guy a bit of faith for god's sake). Who wouldn't want to hear Emma's voice matching with her sweet and sensual personality (it would be like bringing her to life). The first few lines would probably not be as intended 'cause everybody has a different taste but if everyone truly speaks the truth and truly want the best for this game as well as choosing the most genuine lines that match with their personality, man... You got yourself a true porn game there. Porn games are becoming fancier and fancier and having no sounds in them drop their importance massively even with a great story. But i know Runey isn't worried about competition and is working at his own pace which i respect a lot (because it is taken with care and no rush). I know it would be massive work this implementation if he wanted it to be successful, i have to admit. I also know this is a one man's project and probably doesn't has the necessary funds for it, however it would def upgrade the game's reputation and people would talk more about it. It would be a win-win on both sides if there were a toggle. People who likes it the retro way "off". People who likes it the modern way "on". It would reassemble both sides and make a greater community. It would be good for him income-wise as well.
What are you even talking about? Girlfriend? Never had one and not afraid or ashamed to admit it, so not sure how you got that idea. I am not chained by anything and that has nothing to do with this conversation, it is an entirely different topic. That 'fear' isn't why this game won't upgrade, it won't upgrade because there is only one person working on the whole thing, which is already a pretty tall order. I've done game development, for myself and it was entirely text based in an old, dead programming language, it wasn't even that easy back then and this game is even more complicated than anything I've ever programmed.
Yeah, it actuall IS that I don't like sounds, especially sex sounds, in games. They ALWAYS sound so out of place unless voice actors are hired and that means MAJOR expenses a one person developer cannot even hope to sustain. Yeah, I watch porn with sounds, but what I DON'T do is play porn games with sex sounds, those go into the trash the second any one man VN without the budget to support actual voice acting has them because it is ALWAYS some generic, prerecorded crap that is completely out of place.
I'm not scared to try something new, DO NOT assume you know how I think, what I AM scared of is something bad happening to this game's development because Runey messed up in his decision making and did something that just isn't worth the time, money, and effort required to do it right. There is A LOT that can happen to negatively impact the game because he chooses to do this. It COULD cause him to focus too much on coordinating with other people and to not spend enough time actually developing content. The F95 community is a prime example of why this is an issue, people get impatient very quickly, so quickly that I've seen update begging within a week of the latest release of a game. It COULD cause a mass exodus because Runey underestimated how many people DON'T want sex sounds. This could drain funding for the game VERY quickly and stop development in its tracks.
Selfish? Last I checked, wanting Runey and the game to thrive is anything BUT selfish. If anything, it is selfless. So far, the amount of people who actually want sound in general, or sex sounds, amounts to you and maybe one or two others. You're speaking like you are talking for the majority, but I have yet to see proof that you are. The majority is in the people who have not said anything about it either way, neither of us speaks for them. I don't think you get how development would be impacted. Yeah, it WOULD affect development of actual content because Runey would have to stop everything and focus on programming the support code for this new stuff, he would have to spend A LOT of time coordinating with voices as they send samples and he approves them or denies them, which means redoing the recording. This isn't something as simple as flipping a switch in the code, there is A LOT to get done.
You seem to think this is a new idea, it isn't, VNs do it on occasion all the time and the ones that do are ALWAYS produced by a bigger developer than someone like Runey. You also seem to be under the impression you have a majority of the player base on your side when you and maybe one or two others spoke about it positively. That's not a majority, that's a minority until the rest of the player base chimes in with a positive reaction. No, Runey's talent and experience will have zero impact on how the player base thinks of sounds that Runey did not create and only implemented into the code and file structure of the game. This is assuming that most people like having sounds, you are not speaking for most people, you are speaking for yourself under a pretense of most people when that simply isn't true or more games would have sounds like you want and Harem Hotel would already have them because Runey would see that it is popular. I have total faith in Runey, and sorry to say this Runey, but not everyone does and his talent and experience alone are NOT enough to carry this game.
I would love to hear Emma's voice match her personality, but even among the big developers with the money to pull in major voice actors, a voice matching the face of a character is EXTREMELY rare. One of the biggest complaints about voices in anime is, in fact, that their face and their voice do not match. You can't take a girl with a cute face who would look like she has some high pitched, girly voice and give her some husky, low pitched voice instead. The difference is incredibly jarring in a VERY bad way.
Not having sounds doesn't drop their importance or quality, what DOES drop those is focusing way too much time, money, and effort on them when, in the VN side of things, the story is more important than anything else, which is something Runey has already recognized and is doing an amazing job at making. This is a VISUAL novel, not an AURAL novel. It is meant to be read, not heard.
An upgrade to its reputation is once again assuming a majority of people like the kind of thing you do, that is not the case. It is also a potentially fatally incorrect assumption that this would be good for income. You do know it's you and maybe two other people who have spoken positively for voices being added, right? You can't speak for the majority of this game's players being in favor of your idea just like I cannot speak for the majority being opposed. Only maybe six people total have spoken on the subject and three of them are against it as of this comment, but there are literal hundreds who have not been heard and the majority of players in general, not necessarily this game's players, typically are against such an idea.
I don't want sound in the game. Not because you couldn't mute them, but because of the work they needed to be done good.
Make only sex sound in it? A few "ahh", "ohh" and any other things? It would be a waste of resource. In
my eyes it would add nothing to the game, only make it bigger and waste Runey's time on this.
If you fully voice the game, it could add something to it, but would need a lot of resource, will increase the size of the game quite a lot (sure, for voice it exist codec that simulate you're whole vocal organ and could maybe be use for this...).
So Runey weould need to search for voice actors that he could pay, that are willing to this and are the right one for the cast, then to have to spend several hundreds hours in supervising the recording, postwork and finally integrate them in the game.
With three major disadvantage:
- People can simple dislike the voice actor and drop their support
- Runey would need to share his work time between the add of sound and the work he already do, resulting in less game content per time unit (thus people could drop their support because of this)
- Voice actor can be unavailable for any reason. Thus either change the affected voice actor completely or change them in the game in the middle. Neither solution is a ideal one. Perfect case he find one that is nearly the same as the previous one, worst case he must redo their act (means in worst case also redo the scene where multiple voice actors are needed) and even after this task people could drop their support because the don't like the new voice actor.
So, I don't see adding sound to a game a good idea for a small people or even single person project. Additional I don't think it is a good idea to add sound in the middle of development, either do it from the start or at the end. And last but not least I don't think you should do voice acting before you have all the scene in the game that need voice acting.
It has been three years since the first post here one the zone for this game, so at least 3 years development time for Harem Hotel. So a lot could have happen to the voice actress in the mean time and in regarding to this it would be wise to do voice acting in a (relative) short amount of time to minimise this risk (and also to conserve some money).
Also "bro", you need to "chill". The other say how they see their things, same as you do. Only Runey know, if he know, what are the plans or where he takes this journey. From all the user engage here, only you want voice acting, thus I don't see that your claims that this would benefit the work proofed.
For myself, I don't know if I would mute the game or not, but I tend that I would mute it, thus I see it as a wast of
limited rescourses.
Exactly, it doesn't matter if you can mute the sounds if they will still impact development of the game just by being implemented.
Definitely a waste of resources, without a doubt, to only implement sex sounds. Runey would be better off committing to a full voiced game.
A lot of resources AND a lot of time, what you said here is the kind of time and effort I'm talking about that would take away from content development.
I could definitely see voice actor hate, at least if the names get credited, especially some of the major ones and one of them in particular that has been in some trouble with the court of public opinion over the last couple years.
That second bullet point is my main concern, it takes time away from content development and potentially stretches Runey too thin to maintain quality at the current level.
Another good point on the third bullet point, availability could massively delay the game and delays are a VERY real threat to funding a Patreon funded game.
No, I don't see a benefit that outweighs the risk involved here. I also don't think the timing is right, at the beginning or at the end are optimal in this case because then there is no content to get in the way of at the end and very little code to rework at the beginning. Exactly on the last part here, he should at least have all the lines done before implementing voices because then he can script the whole thing for the voice actors and doesn't need to worry about doing it in chunks with potentially multiple times having to hire people. He could hire them once for a single run of the entire game to solve the availability and other timing issues.
Agreed, short term periods are best for doing voice work for the reasons above.
Very true, Runey and ONLY Runey can make any sort of call or see what his vision is for the game and it may or may not include voice work. To be fair, it isn't just Squall14, but there aren't very many, maybe three including Squall14 have spoken positively of adding voices while most people are either against it or silent, most being silent.
For me, I would not just mute the game, it is gone if voices happen in sex scenes. I MIGHT enjoy the story voices IF and ONLY IF the voices match the faces, which is already a difficult task for large companies and is VERY rarely successful.
It's been 2 and half years since I last checked out this game and I seriously cannot believe the amount of effort that's been put in, I'm overwhelmed with how much more there is to experience and you've really jumped off into the deep end with world building and fleshing out the characters. I'm glad you're still quite active with the community here, given how some people can be on this site when it comes to dealing with those that want everything for free and to be catered to their every whim. You've done an amazing job so far Runey, well done and I can't wait to see what Harem Hotel is like in another 2 and a half years from now. Completed maybe?
Also, I'm not sure if you or anyone else has mentioned it before but have you considered making chapters or volumes for the updates in order to deal with file sizes? It's not a major concern for myself but I have noticed a lot of people mentioning that downloads are too large or take far too long and that with how progress is going with the game it'll be much, much larger in the future. I know nothing about coding or making games, but would splitting the game up into segments ever be an option or would that interfere with how you want people to make progress in the game with characters? Since playing a new game I've noticed you can go considerably deep into one characters story while bypassing another for quite a while, I guess that might become problematic if the game was cut up into parts?
Either way, thanks for sticking around this place for so long and putting up with everyone. It's always nice seeing developers interact with people who play their games, regardless if it's for feedback, moral support, bug fix updates or just general conversation
I do believe Runey has spoken on the subject of volumes or chapters and said no to the idea on a per game basis. Most people do prefer having all their content in one place for easier access, so at this point, it may not be a good idea. Not to mention the restructuring he would have to do to existing content and code and how it would negatively affect this style of game.
There is a reason that even the AAA companies save the voice acting for one of the last things. But unlike them, there just isn't that large a pool of talent from which to draw. There are just not that many people who do that kind of work on these games.
I would likely mute it, I mute all porn, even when I lived alone, it's usually just annoying and embarrassing, but for us and them. lol
No, breaking up a sandbox style game is not good. Well, breaking up any game is not good, but it is especially problematic with a sandbox, as all the repeatable stuff would have to be in every version. Not to mention, like you said, you would have to limit which paths can be done, and when. it's just a bad thing all the way around.
Indeed, the AAA side has way more money and way more access to voice talent to work with. Single person developers don't have that money or access and, unlike AAA developers, are beholden to the likes and dislikes of their patrons because that is their one source of income for the game to be funded by.
Muting would depend on the voice, if it fits, I might keep it on. Sex audio is absolutely a deal breaker, though, and would mean bye bye Harem Hotel without hesitation. I am not a yes man, I am not a superfan, and I am not afraid to put my foot down against something. If something is objectively wrong or I just don't like it, I will act accordingly.
