ChildofIshtar

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This isn't the space for being a contrarian dickhead either. Check yourself and try posting when you grow up.

P.S. It's spelled "proselytizing". Don't use words you don't understand and can't spell, genius.
Tell me you didn't just tell me not to use words I "don't understand" while calling me a "contrarian" for *checks notes* reminding you this space isn't meant for you to attempt to convince us of your beliefs about racism?

That's not what a contrarian is. But what you were doing was proselytizing. My inability to spell the word I'd never seen, but had heard isn't the dig you think it is. But your hubris is hilarious.

I'm done with this conversation, but thanks for the laugh.
 

Runey

Harem Hotel
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I hadn't played in a while and came back and saw there were a lot of story changes but..um..is everyone going to get into deeper and deeper tragedies? the twist with Maria in particular really changed the tone of the events to the point that i stopped triggering them because it was worrying about if a character would actually get hurt or taken away for real.
I hate responding to questions like this on F95 because I feel like there is no answer I can provide that will make people happy. Harem Hotel isn't a depressive game, and one tragedy does not make the entire story tragic. Harem Hotel is a drama, which means ups and downs. Probably like much of the anime people are familiar with here. I think it should be pretty clear where the game is headed. It's always been a happy ending. That moment was a very powerful motivator for her character.

If I wanted to make a tragic and depressive story, why wouldn't I start the story with elves being invaded by humans, or during the industrial revolution when elves became slaves permanently?

Instead, Harem Hotel starts at the height of Syl'anar's power, after they've fully gained control of the elvish population, in a time of peace. So what would you think would be the logical steps taken from here? Syl'anar has already won.

I'll take it as a compliment that you've gotten so attached to her character that you don't want to see more harm done to her, haha. It's my goal as a writer to get you attached to these characters like that. Your investment allows me to write things that wouldn't work if you had none.
 
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Segnbora

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There's a ton of porn. A lot of it on this site.

Tragedy helps turn porn into an actual story. From the moment that Ashley begged "don't leave me" — one of the most wrenching scenes you'll ever see here — HH has been much, much more than porn. It's one of the very few best "games" in this genre because these aren't stories that begin and end with friction.

I felt horrible for Maria as well. You should. Anyone should. She's no longer a trio of holes and an up-for-anything partner. Now she means something. Now she matters. Now her story hurts, as it should. A lot of the NPCs' stories hurt. They're meant to. HH is telliing you something.
 
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Knight_of_the_lance

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Alot of hate has gone the way of the "good" doctor and rightly so. But what if:

She already hid an half elf from the authorities and got found out and is now living with those consequences. Now being more watched than ever, risking not only her job, but jail time and loosing the custodie of her twin sons to their deadbeat alchoolic father. what if behind the sceen she somehow made it easyer for us to be the first buyer to see Maria's sale go online. what if at night she needs her meds to cope with her actions but still cry herself to sleep. She certainly didn't become a doctor to tear apart famalies but to save lives.

Of course she could also be all on the face and be hunting for runaway slaves, rejoice in the fact that with her work she can find people trying to hide, be herself a slave abuser and punish her kids when they play with the slaves.

The thing is beside that one interaction we don't know her. Runey can boast about one of the beter riten stories on the site and maybe the one that go get the player and make them think the most. So I am sure that while the interaction we had with the character was onedimentional, the character might not be.
 

TheDevian

Svengali Productions
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Mar 8, 2018
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I hate responding to questions like this on F95 because I feel like there is no answer I can provide that will make people happy. Harem Hotel isn't a depressive game, and one tragedy does not make the entire story tragic. Harem Hotel is a drama, which means ups and downs. Probably like much of the anime people are familiar with here. I think it should be pretty clear where the game is headed. It's always been a happy ending. That moment was a very powerful motivator for her character.

If I wanted to make a tragic and depressive story, why wouldn't I start the story with elves being invaded by humans, or during the industrial revolution when elves became slaves permanently?

Instead, Harem Hotel starts at the height of Syl'anar's power, after they've fully gained control of the elvish population, in a time of peace. So what would you think would be the logical steps taken from here? Syl'anar has already won.

I'll take it as a compliment that you've gotten so attached to her character that you don't want to see more harm done to her, haha. It's my goal as a writer to get you attached to these characters like that. Your investment allows me to write things that wouldn't work if you had none.
As depressing as the ending might be, over all, I would love to play a game in that time period, back when Lin was young. And even with the ending there is, with "perma-slaves", we could still have a happy story for the characters involved.

For example, the story could be similar to this one, where the MC is providing a safe-haven for as many elves as they could. They may have lost the war, but they won the battle, kind of thing, where they manage to at least eek out a decent life, even if society as a whole is getting worse.

I mean, sure, you could do another Toy Maker style story, but is that good for the mental health? XD
Alot of hate has gone the way of the "good" doctor and rightly so. But what if:

She already hid an half elf from the authorities and got found out and is now living with those consequences. Now being more watched than ever, risking not only her job, but jail time and loosing the custodie of her twin sons to their deadbeat alchoolic father. what if behind the sceen she somehow made it easyer for us to be the first buyer to see Maria's sale go online. what if at night she needs her meds to cope with her actions but still cry herself to sleep. She certainly didn't become a doctor to tear apart famalies but to save lives.

Of course she could also be all on the face and be hunting for runaway slaves, rejoice in the fact that with her work she can find people trying to hide, be herself a slave abuser and punish her kids when they play with the slaves.

The thing is beside that one interaction we don't know her. Runey can boast about one of the beter riten stories on the site and maybe the one that go get the player and make them think the most. So I am sure that while the interaction we had with the character was onedimentional, the character might not be.
Quite an interesting take, it would be easy to do a redeemer arc for her, but I guess the question is, is that what we want, or is it more fun to play with the "evil" doctor? lol
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Knight_of_the_lance

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of course it is fun to beat on the evil doctor I won't deny it and admit to enjoying it myself. But I would find it funny if Runey would rite her a redemtion arc simply to get back at us, the players, for hating her and make us feel bad for bashing on her.
 
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DigDug69

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of course it is fun to beat on the evil doctor I won't deny it and admit to enjoying it myself. But I would find it funny if Runey would rite her a redemtion arc simply to get back at us, the players, for hating her and make us feel bad for bashing on her.
Nah, she will have the android build a sentient fucking machine, and fuck her to death.
 

Sparhawker

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I've hit a stumbling block with Ashley. for event 31 it says 'night' and 'in my bed' but I'm not clear if that means I need to ask here to sleep with me and/or it just triggers on a certain night if I just sleep.
Can anyone help?
 

ramvivat

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I wonder, Maria's named sister, Hana, in future updates, will she get her own path and maybe a place in Maria's room (or her own room on the new floor of the hotel)? because we have a blocked free room - which, as it were, hints that the number of girls equal to 8 is not the limit. but will the game stop in its development at 9 or 10 (if a couple of girls live in a blocked room) girls, or will one or two more floors be completed?
 
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TheDevian

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I've hit a stumbling block with Ashley. for event 31 it says 'night' and 'in my bed' but I'm not clear if that means I need to ask here to sleep with me and/or it just triggers on a certain night if I just sleep.
Can anyone help?

I wonder, Maria's named sister, Hana, in future updates, will she get her own path and maybe a place in Maria's room (or her own room on the new floor of the hotel)? because we have a blocked free room - which, as it were, hints that the number of girls equal to 8 is not the limit. but will the game stop in its development at 9 or 10 (if a couple of girls live in a blocked room) girls, or will one or two more floors be completed?
She isn't really her sister, but she is Maria's side girl, and lives in her room now.
 

Sparhawker

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She isn't really her sister, but she is Maria's side girl, and lives in her room now.
thanks for that, trouble is all it does is re-state what I know, tried on two different nights and she didn't turn up (this is for relationship lvl32), yes the android is way over lvl5.
I'm guessing it's going to be a specific night then...oh well
 

ramvivat

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very interesting, but will some event be triggered if a girl develops some skill to 100?
Lin, for example, working as an alarm clock, has developed the skill of "sluttyness" already up to 85.
So I began to wonder if I should expect anything when she becomes a slut with the sluttyness=100?
 

ramvivat

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She isn't really her sister,
i know what Hana not a sister of Maria - she is NAMED SISTER - when two peoples say each other what from now on he\she is like brothers or like sisters - he count each other as sisters or brothers. that is what is "named sister"
i do not know exact termine in english culture - it is from russian culture.
oh! i recall! it is like "brother in arms" (i recall song from Dire Straits)
 
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TheDevian

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thanks for that, trouble is all it does is re-state what I know, tried on two different nights and she didn't turn up (this is for relationship lvl32), yes the android is way over lvl5.
I'm guessing it's going to be a specific night then...oh well
humm, I am not sure, there are too many variables, if you want to upload your save, I can look, but I am not sure I know, haven't done that one in a while.
very interesting, but will some event be triggered if a girl develops some skill to 100?
Lin, for example, working as an alarm clock, has developed the skill of "sluttyness" already up to 85.
So I began to wonder if I should expect anything when she becomes a slut with the sluttyness=100?
Not so far, there used to be an indicator if you got it to 50, but that's gone now. For the moment, the only number that matters is getting them to level 10, and there are only a few things where that makes a difference, as Runey didn't want people to feel like they needed to grind the stats.
 
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Mathesar

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i know what Hana not a sister of Maria - she is NAMED SISTER - when two peoples say each other what from now on he\she is like brothers or like sisters - he count each other as sisters or brothers. that is what is "named sister"
i do not know exact termine in english culture - it is from russian culture.
oh! i recall! it is like "brother in arms" (i recall song from Dire Straits)
English doesn't have an equivalent term. Calling someone unrelated to you a brother or sister is sometimes used as a turn of phrase, but only in rather specific contexts. You also would never use the term for other people; you wouldn't say, "how is your sister?" unless you were talking about their actual sister, even if they called that person their sister before.

Since they grew up in the same orphanage, Hana could be called her adoptive sister or her foster sister, but that's stretching the meaning of those terms.
 
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