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I meant perverted brocon (means her bro is her love interest) would fit the criteria better than simply perverted in general (toward random ppl)I'm an only child so its not weird
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As long as she doesn't look 10, I am fine with her being a bit immature like that on occasion, though I agree, it would be nice if she grows out of that later on or something like that.
Maybe she is built more like Lucy, but acts like she is a good bit younger, at least at first. Perhaps she gets more mature about it once you get her obedience score up, then she will start to do what she is told, and be less of a brat (as long as you don't ignore her too badly). 
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I think Runey meant bratty in the sense that she'd be unruly and rebellious, throwing the occasional tantrum. Indeed like Ellen in the flashback, she didn't want to do what she was told and stuff.Well, begging isn't bad, if it's for her big brother to spank her or something similar.
However, I think that definition "making things harder than they need to be" fits everyone I listed. Though, in Kali's case, her resistance is purely a token, and solely for role play, she likes being dominated, so she acts a bit bratty to 'deserve it' (example being the exhibition sex scene), token remnants of her 'tsundere' personality. Luckily, most of them are starting to come around.
I think it could make for some good discipline bdsm play.
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In the end of the day she's simply need a good beaten
we could always use some pain to educate a person afterall, or pleasure will do too...oh well, let's just agreed on using a pleasure to subdue then
good beaten with a meat stick it is.
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I can get behind that. Literally and figuratively
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I'm a big fan of incest stuff in games, or movies and I have a sister. But I would never even think about doing something with her.
Its like DrFrog said:
The problem with that is that we have tsundere already (Ellen and Kali), I like Kali's version, not fond of Ellen's, and really dislike when it goes further and turns into yandere. At least they are both Type B, and not a violent Type A, which is something I really can't stand (Akane and Taiga need to die in fire). IDK, maybe it's just me, but how many bitchy/standoffish characters does one game need? That was exactly what I was trying to avoid with the adoring brat idea. If you don't count the android who was built to serve and the elf who was abused her whole life, then it's basically just Maria who isn't. Even the new deredere (super nice girl) is doing her best to upset everyone right off the bat (not that I am complaining about that, it fits her).
The bratty thing can work, but if you pair it with tsundere and make her tiny like Lin, then we end up with another annoying character like Ashley that I just want to do my best to ignore. I prefer the idea that she is adoring, and willing to do what you tell her, but she wants to be punished, and so messes up intentionally on occasion. Like she is pretending to be the clumsy air-headed girl (which is a trope we don't really have), and she craves attention, maybe she didn't have a dad in her life (your left or died when you were young, and you were the closest she had to a 'father figure' to her, and mom's spankings (after you left) just didn't do it for her, so she decides one day to run away from home and find you, and shows up on your door step one day with a suitcase full of whatever she could carry.
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Candere youdere pleasedere stopdere withdere thedere fuckingdere stupiddere Japanesedere subgenredere shitdere? Idere can'tdere understanddere whatdere thedere fuckdere you'redere sayingdere.
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In all seriousness though, I think the bratty thing could work so long as it's a good-natured type of bratty. Like a bratty sub that just does shit she knows she's not supposed to in order to get more punishments because she's masochistic as fuck. I agree that she shouldn't actually be a brat though. I'm still in favor of her being a total goody-two-shoes that we corrupt the fuck out of, but the bratty sub alternative isn't bad either.The problem with that is that we have tsundere already (Ellen and Kali), I like Kali's version, not fond of Ellen's, and really dislike when it goes further and turns into yandere. At least they are both Type B, and not a violent Type A, which is something I really can't stand (Akane and Taiga need to die in fire). IDK, maybe it's just me, but how many bitchy/standoffish characters does one game need? That was exactly what I was trying to avoid with the adoring brat idea. If you don't count the android who was built to serve and the elf who was abused her whole life, then it's basically just Maria who isn't. Even the new deredere (super nice girl) is doing her best to upset everyone right off the bat (not that I am complaining about that, it fits her).
The bratty thing can work, but if you pair it with tsundere and make her tiny like Lin, then we end up with another annoying character like Ashley that I just want to do my best to ignore. I prefer the idea that she is adoring, and willing to do what you tell her, but she wants to be punished, and so messes up intentionally on occasion. Like she is pretending to be the clumsy air-headed girl (which is a trope we don't really have), and she craves attention, maybe she didn't have a dad in her life (your left or died when you were young, and you were the closest she had to a 'father figure' to her, and mom's spankings (after you left) just didn't do it for her, so she decides one day to run away from home and find you, and shows up on your door step one day with a suitcase full of whatever she could carry.
I kind of agree that we've got a lot of reluctant/tsundere girls already, i'd like it to be the other way round for one and I think a little sister could be the perfect oppotunity for a girl to be trying to get with the MC and the MC being reluctant.The problem with that is that we have tsundere already (Ellen and Kali), I like Kali's version, not fond of Ellen's, and really dislike when it goes further and turns into yandere. At least they are both Type B, and not a violent Type A, which is something I really can't stand (Akane and Taiga need to die in fire). IDK, maybe it's just me, but how many bitchy/standoffish characters does one game need? That was exactly what I was trying to avoid with the adoring brat idea. If you don't count the android who was built to serve and the elf who was abused her whole life, then it's basically just Maria who isn't. Even the new deredere (super nice girl) is doing her best to upset everyone right off the bat (not that I am complaining about that, it fits her).
The bratty thing can work, but if you pair it with tsundere and make her tiny like Lin, then we end up with another annoying character like Ashley that I just want to do my best to ignore. I prefer the idea that she is adoring, and willing to do what you tell her, but she wants to be punished, and so messes up intentionally on occasion. Like she is pretending to be the clumsy air-headed girl (which is a trope we don't really have), and she craves attention, maybe she didn't have a dad in her life (your left or died when you were young, and you were the closest she had to a 'father figure' to her, and mom's spankings (after you left) just didn't do it for her, so she decides one day to run away from home and find you, and shows up on your door step one day with a suitcase full of whatever she could carry.
I think you mean Emma and Kali?The problem with that is that we have tsundere already (Ellen and Kali), I like Kali's version, not fond of Ellen's, and really dislike when it goes further and turns into yandere. At least they are both Type B, and not a violent Type A, which is something I really can't stand (Akane and Taiga need to die in fire). IDK, maybe it's just me, but how many bitchy/standoffish characters does one game need? That was exactly what I was trying to avoid with the adoring brat idea. If you don't count the android who was built to serve and the elf who was abused her whole life, then it's basically just Maria who isn't. Even the new deredere (super nice girl) is doing her best to upset everyone right off the bat (not that I am complaining about that, it fits her).
The bratty thing can work, but if you pair it with tsundere and make her tiny like Lin, then we end up with another annoying character like Ashley that I just want to do my best to ignore. I prefer the idea that she is adoring, and willing to do what you tell her, but she wants to be punished, and so messes up intentionally on occasion. Like she is pretending to be the clumsy air-headed girl (which is a trope we don't really have), and she craves attention, maybe she didn't have a dad in her life (your left or died when you were young, and you were the closest she had to a 'father figure' to her, and mom's spankings (after you left) just didn't do it for her, so she decides one day to run away from home and find you, and shows up on your door step one day with a suitcase full of whatever she could carry.
Tsundere was and still is the most popular personality type on all of my polls. Emma isn't as big as a tsundere as Kali, but she does have tsundere traits.
While words like Himedere and Yandere don't need to be used (meaning acts like a princess. And Psycho) Tsundere is very hard to explain in English.
A Tsundere is typically a girl who likes the protagonist but doesn't want to admit it. Summed up with "Not that I like you or anything". That's a lot more words than "Tsundere", so it makes sense to use Tsundere over it's description.
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I dont know if that was mentioned somewhere before, but for me it would depend on how old she is. If shes younger than the MC, I would go for the cute route. If shes older, then I'd make her a bit bitchy, not as much as ashley though. Ashley is unique and should stay that way (I like her btw). I think I would make the older sister struggle with herself, because she knows its a bad thing to do something with her brother, even though she wants it soooo badly That way she wouldn't be bitchy to everyone, but only to the MC because of her struggles AND without being a tsundere.
That way she wouldn't be bitchy to everyone, but only to the MC because of her struggles AND without being a tsundere.
Sorry, they are both confusing and convenient to use. Runey posted the chart for the girls though, so it's not my fault!
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If you mean the Akane and Taiga, no, those are characters from anime, I like Emma and Kali very much. They are the good kind.
Yes, but you have 3 now, Emma, Kali, and Ellen.
No, please gawd no.... The bitchy older sister is so played out.I dont know if that was mentioned somewhere before, but for me it would depend on how old she is. If shes younger than the MC, I would go for the cute route. If shes older, then I'd make her a bit bitchy, not as much as ashley though. Ashley is unique and should stay that way (I like her btw). I think I would make the older sister struggle with herself, because she knows its a bad thing to do something with her brother, even though she wants it soooo badly
Luckily, we were talking younger here anyway. I'm not sure I'd call Ellen a tsundere, she seems to genuinly have no romantic interest in MC.Sorry, they are both confusing and convenient to use. Runey posted the chart for the girls though, so it's not my fault!
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Yes, but you have 3 now, Emma, Kali, and Ellen.
No, please gawd no.... The bitchy older sister is so played out.
I would like to see other personality types though.
No, no, you called Ellen a Tsundere earlier, I thought you meant Emma. Ellen is absolutely not a Tsundere. She's a romantic. Not sure what dere I'd give her, doesn't need to be one. But she absolutely doesn't have any "hidden feelings" for MC she doesn't want to admit.Sorry, they are both confusing and convenient to use. Runey posted the chart for the girls though, so it's not my fault!
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Yes, but you have 3 now, Emma, Kali, and Ellen.
No, please gawd no.... The bitchy older sister is so played out.
Maybe you forgot her intro, but she was VERY standoffish and fit the trope to a tea. Go back and read the old flashback when Ellen first arrived at the hotel, when Graps was still alive. That is a text book example.
Oh yeah, at her youngest seen, she was a brat. She was 13 then. In the intro, she was 16, and very much a Tsundere. Now (roughly 32 - 38 years old) she's a romantic.Maybe you forgot her intro, but she was VERY standoffish and fit the trope to a tea. Go back and read the old flashback when Ellen first arrived at the hotel, when Graps was still alive. That is a text book example.
So yeah, youngest Ellen was a brat, teen Ellen was a Tsundere, and current Ellen is a romantic.
Well, I don't rememebr seeing her at 13, just the ~16 or so one, with her and Sophie, but you know what they say about first impressions.
If you were following the trope, that side of her might come out more if she found herself attracted to the MC (old habits), otherwise she is just keeping up her work persona, a facade (same thing most people who work in customer service do, pretend to be nice to your face, and then complain about how rude you were while alone).
For example, Akane Tendo (Ranma 1/2) is perfectly nice to most people, it is only when around her supposed love interest (well, any guy that hits on her really), that she goes all bitchy/crazy/violent. The rest of the time, she pretends to be a nice person.
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No worries mate, I was just joking. Well, that, and reasserting my viewpoint on how unnecessary all these damn Japanese terms are.Sorry, they are both confusing and convenient to use. Runey posted the chart for the girls though, so it's not my fault!
For most of them I agree, but 'bitchy/lovey' doesn't really have the same explanatory power to it. IDK, maybe we can start it as a thing. I have spent way too much on TVTropes over the years...