VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[c3p0]

when the game decides to come back to it's "roots"

Curious how do you define what the "roots" of this game is, that is in development?

 

[demondelic.psy]

Curious how do you define what the "roots" of this game is, that is in development?

wasn't trying too hard with the world building and focused on the hijinks between the characters in the hotel.

 

[QQP_Purple]

The player accepted the conceit of a porn game, as a kink. That's hardly the same thing as actually accepting slavery.

That depends on if you approach this game as just fap material or as a visual novel with sex in it. For me the visual novel aspect, and thus the writing and story are the focus of my experience with this game. The sex is secondary.

So the people who advocated for a minimum wage, five-day work weeks, eight hour work days, the civil rights movement, and the end of actual, real-world slavery were all evil? And it should be a crime to seek any form of political or social change? Well, that's an opinion, certainly.

No, they were not evil. Because I wasn't around back than to be annoyed. But anyone being annoying to me today for any reason is evil because I don't like being annoyed.

It's really simple. Evil = things I don't like. Good = things I like.
Insert the speakers name instead of I and you get the universal formula of all morality.

 

[c3p0]

And how do you decide that the first is the root and the second is not? For an unfished product?
Even if you measure it, it doesn't make sense as the overall content is not defined. 80% of unkown is still unkown. Only after this is finished we will know where any "roots" may be.

 

[demondelic.psy]

And how do you decide that the first is the root and the second is not? For an unfished product?
Even if you measure it, it doesn't make sense as the overall content is not defined. 80% of unkown is still unkown. Only after this is finished we will know where any "roots" may be.

What does me not liking where the story is headed have to do with this unfinished product business you're speaking of? I'm very aware that the game is still developing. I said "root" in reference to the game's earlier stages.

 

[TheDevian]

And how do you decide that the first is the root and the second is not? For an unfished product?
Even if you measure it, it doesn't make sense as the overall content is not defined. 80% of unkown is still unkown. Only after this is finished we will know where any "roots" may be.

Been here since more or less the beginning, and always loved the world building and character development. Always assumed this was pretty much where it was going...

 

[QQP_Purple]

Been here since more or less the beginning, and always loved the world building and character development. Always assumed this was pretty much where it was going...

Same here. I was not at all surprised by the way the plot is going. Although I wouldn't say it was obvious from the very beginning. It just sort of creeps in and I am not sure if I can pin down the exact spot when I knew fighting slavery would actually be a major plot point.

But really, anyone who has any doubts should have lost them at the point where you buy Jin and realize that you didn't get a happy ending for your troubles. If that does not clue you in nothing will.

Either way there is definitively a segment of the game where it does feel exactly as demondelic.psy says. It just feels laid back and fun and wholesome and than it slowly transforms into what it is now. And I can totally understand why someone might want more of that. That sort of thing is good and fun and wholesome and it makes you happy. It is overall a good thing. Just as the way the game is going now is also overall a good thing just in a very different way.

 

[c3p0]

What does me not liking where the story is headed have to do with this unfinished product business you're speaking of? I'm very aware that the game is still developing. I said "root" in reference to the game's earlier stages.

Nothing, what you like or not not like is entirely up to you and as subjectiv as any other of us and what we like or dislike.

Root of the game is what I'm curious. As I've written I can't see any "root" in this game yet. The whole harem part could be only a prolog and the whole save the elfs could be the "real" story.
For me it is the same as to rate any unfinished product, highly dubious at best.

 

[Deleted member 289409]

There is one I can think of that would make things really interesting if it turns out that Ann is Maria's mother or aunt.

 

[QQP_Purple]

Nothing, what you like or not not like is entirely up to you and as subjectiv as any other of us and what he like or dislike.

Root of the game is what I'm curious. As I've written I can't see any "root" in this game yet. The whole harem part could be only a prolog and the whole save the elfs could be the "real" story.
For me it is the same as to rate any unfinished product, highly dubious at best.

Basically what he is saying is that the liked the prologue part, enjoyed it and hoped he would get more of the same. And he considers it to be the "root" of the game because it is in fact a significant portion of the early game. So much so that one could form a reasonable expectation that this is where the game would be heading.

Now, in hindsight we can see clues that this is not really the case. But this is with hindsight and replaying. First time in, I could see how someone could make that inference.

Than again, for my part I had my hopes set on it going the way it did pretty much from the moment Lin was introduced. Something about that cute girl being enslaved just felt all kinds of wrong to me. So who am I to say?


Either way, I think we can all agree that it speaks to the quality of this game that we can have conversations like this about it. I mean, let's be real here. When is the last time you've heard this sort of discussion being had about most books, let alone games?

 

[allenandarth]

just because the game is unfinished doesn't mean it has no "root" FYI, root means the start and the start of the game was "Everyone in the hotel has found a slice of this world where they feel comfortable" (these were Runey's words even he acknowledges that this is a different shift from what is was, he's pursuing a true happy ending with this twist, but it's a twist from how it was at the start and there, is your root.
you keep on nitpicking the guys wordings (wrongly, might i add) because you're on board with what Runey is going for and my man is not, it's your opinion and his opinion, if you're going to critique it's fine, but don't just nitpick

 

[fuckyouuuu]

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[LordofMetal]

Nothing, what you like or not not like is entirely up to you and as subjectiv as any other of us and what he like or dislike.

Root of the game is what I'm curious. As I've written I can't see any "root" in this game yet. The whole harem part could be only a prolog and the whole save the elfs could be the "real" story.
For me it is the same as to rate any unfinished product, highly dubious at best.

Roots of the game are quite obvious. Fun cute harem hi-jinks in a hotel. It was not the prologue, it's easily the vast majority of the game. It was the entire game until runey decided to brow beat us with the lesson of "slavery is bad". Gosh I had no idea.
In no way was this plot hijack planned properly from the beginning, it blindsided a lot of players.
The game has been years in development, runey goes back and edits old events to fit the new narrative. (Hey remember when you and cromwell gangbanged your slaves in a clothing shop upon meeting? That was hot.) The game was always harem sillyness until runey shoehorned in a childish view of modern politics.

You know what you're doing. allenandarth can see it too.

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No I don't like the game nearly as much these days.
Yes I support runey no matter what he'd like to do, good for him, no problem.
Yes I like having elf slaves, I have no moral issues with owning and fucking them.
Yes it annoys me how for years I was enjoying a fetish that runey handed to me on a silver platter only to now watch his fans verbally dropkick anyone like me who just wanted to fap to enslaved anime elf tits.

I am an elf slave master and I have no shame and I will continue to enjoy the original previous releases I have saved as they were intended when they were released. Slice of life, cutesy fun with some good emotional heartache sprinkled like fairy dust.

 

[GraveXMachina]

I dunno...maybe it's jjust me...
But anyone feel like what happened tto Maria was a little ttoo on the nose?
I mean, it comes if as a little too extreme.

Or maybe something shady is going on that we ddon't know about?
Like she's found out to be an half elf during a DNA test...and instead of what someone with common sense would do, like talking with the MC, tell him to get her registered or something...they immediately take her away by force and and in a really short time she's already being sold.

I dunno, but that's kinda suspicious.

Maybe I'm.just imagining things and am blinded by the sheer desire to punch that doctor.

We have an Android that can hack other Androids...maybe make it look like an accident? >:3

I named my Android Aigis, in honor of best pesona girl.

 

[fuckyouuuu]

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[Knight_of_the_lance]

Harem Hotel was my first Adult game of such a scope. To me the slave maid elf was just an over the top mashing of lewd tropes together. And with all the sex escalation happening it remained a kink for a long time. It took me playing other games, reading the forums and new updates to the game to see that there was more to the game than dipping your brush in as many pot of paint as possible. the NSFW game developers today aspire to make more than a simple Coïtal bringing tool. Even the ones that make their game as such go to a lot of leights to bring their own twist to it. So to me slavery was there to satisfy a Kink. It was never mine but I could understand it. The lack of reaction from the MC did nothing to hint me that it was not just to satisfy someone's fantasy (from memory of the erly parts). The story thoug brought me around to understand that it was more than kinks.

Now the MC's blank personality and foreignerness (is that a word?) is to alow the player to self insert so all reactions to Lin's presentation are valid and I think we must, to a point, insert our gut feelings and reactions to be the ones from the MC. To me the initial (lack of) reaction to slavery from the MC is due to the fact that before he was a nobody on a different continent that could hardly have any influence on the matter. the only thing he could have donne is being a +1 to the number of people in a manifestation in front of an embassy. He comme to the other side of the world with this mentality and with no footings yet. He does not have any contacts yet. The only thing he has is a building to his name that fell on is lap (a slave as well but it seams to be a footnote for the system). Of course he could not have a grandiose reaction because he never had anything to do with slavery before. There are a few example of abuse that he witness but for him (or me as a player self inserting) those where just the system derailling a bit. As the MC we treat the slaves we own well so we don't witness what hapen to slaves otside our home beside stories told by others. What hapen to Maria is a wakeup call and direct witnessing that what we heard is not deraillings of the system but the system itself. Now with the different contacts that the MC has acquierd throught his life in the hotel he can now hope to do something to modify the system.

The lack of reaction from the start of the game now seams to me because MC didn't need to have a grandiose reaction, he wasen't implicated in the system like he is now and didn't need to stress about slavery. A more pressing concern was to keep the hotel alof.

 

[Deleted member 289409]

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[c3p0]

you keep on nitpicking the guys wordings (wrongly, might i add) because you're on board with what Runey is going for and my man is not, it's your opinion and his opinion, if you're going to critique it's fine, but don't just nitpick

If I would be nitpicking my attempt for this would be lazy. I simply found it interesting, what he sees as root, when I don't see any yet.

I've stated my reason for my point of view, but to repeat it in another wording. You don't know how long the road is, you don't know where it will end, you only know the beginning of this road. For all we know from the road we have, it could lead to Paris, but the whole road could go to Bejing for all we know. So, the first 10 km could the road take goes in the direction of Paris, but the 9000 km that follows go in the direction of Bejing.
Sure, if you want the very first root of the road leads to Paris, but.....

I hope that it is clear what I mean.
Also I've written myself that the only thing we all have are opinions - and arsholes.
So, the last part of it is only a unnecessary repetition.

 

[Tavi13]

Been here since more or less the beginning, and always loved the world building and character development. Always assumed this was pretty much where it was going...

Pretty much the same for me as well (think I first tried this around version .4 or .5).
From the first time I started this, I knew I was going to look for a way to free Lin (even if it meant harassing Runey non-stop ). I'm not really a 'save-the-world' type but I figured it was probably going to have to go that way to help Lin, since the only alternative would have been for the MC deciding to leave the continent & finding a way to take everyone with him.

 

[Runey]

hard disagree, he didn't even go to buy her, Helen did, he didn't even think of that, he went insane, i didn't react like that and Maria is one of my absolute favorite characters in this game and for the MC to go at it that way just didn't feel right to me, i wasn't even cursing Cornwall, i was mad, i still felt that the MC could've handled that better, his priority shifted too much for me to agree with it and by the way i'm still on Lin's side of the fence, i hard disagree with Nia's side

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*Common elves live fifteen times longer than humans, meaning a 1000 year old common elf is the equivalent to a 65 year old human, and they age at a similarly reduced rate (that's how Lin can be nearly 300 and look to be about 20). Dark elves life half as long as common elves, so they can live to be about 500, though probably less because they're not getting adequate healthcare, and age at about one-seventh the rate of a human. Half elves live half as long as their parent species, so half-dark elves should live to be about 250, and age at about one-third the rate of a human.
Therefore, Maria should either look a lot younger (like about 7 or so) or be a lot older (mid-fifties), and both would have been noticeable when she was growing up. Neither is the case. I think it was a math mistake; Runey says no.
It also proves the superiority of half-elves; elves live longer than humans but learn more slowly, while Maria is a very intelligent woman who was top of her classes, which proves she learns as quickly as a human, but will live substantially longer. Is this true for all half-elves?

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