VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[TheDevian]

Same here. I was not at all surprised by the way the plot is going. Although I wouldn't say it was obvious from the very beginning. It just sort of creeps in and I am not sure if I can pin down the exact spot when I knew fighting slavery would actually be a major plot point.

But really, anyone who has any doubts should have lost them at the point where you buy Jin and realize that you didn't get a happy ending for your troubles. If that does not clue you in nothing will.

Either way there is definitively a segment of the game where it does feel exactly as demondelic.psy says. It just feels laid back and fun and wholesome and than it slowly transforms into what it is now. And I can totally understand why someone might want more of that. That sort of thing is good and fun and wholesome and it makes you happy. It is overall a good thing. Just as the way the game is going now is also overall a good thing just in a very different way.

Well, I will admit, I didn't have it all figured out on the first day, but as story unfolded it was rather obvious to me what was going to happen, but I have always had a bit of a knack for it. I am almost never surprised in a story.

IDK, even in the early days, you had Ellen being forced to work a job she found demeaning at best, you had Lin, the nervous and timid slave who was always afraid you might hurt her, you had Ashley who rapes you in your sleep more than once (if you count oral) and threatens to hurt others and cut off your manhood ...it was pretty dark at times.

how do you increase cumdump and cumslut to 3stars?

Every time you cum inside of a girl she gets a point of cum dump, and outside for cum slut. I think it takes 30 times for 3 stars (50 for max).

 

[allenandarth]

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it's not how it seemed to me, to me he went berserk and didn't even stop to think on how to fix what happened, even if you're upset and angry, suddenly calling that guy(i don't ever remember his name) and screaming at him is just not where it would go, you don't even know if he was involved in this specific event, it just doesn't make sense, tbh if it were me i would think "ok everything sucks, but how can i help the love of my life?" idk call "that man" who has power and kinda likes me and say something like "how much do i have to pay, for you to bend the rules a little bit and give my girlfriend back to me?" because until then were kinda friends with the guy or at least that's how it seemed to me, idk that's where my mind went instantly given how things normally developed in this game until now, so the whole screaming at the guy for no specific reason( i know he's the big boy in the game on that area, but you have evidence he was even involved in it or that he knew you were there), as far as i perceived if he was even involved in it he probably just received notice of a random half-elf so he put her to auction, he wasn't out to fuck the MC specifically, so i personally felt that, to me, the MC went crazy, maybe i interpreted the whole incident wrongly then, i just suddenly felt disconnected to the MC to a huge degree on that scene and suddenly started thinking "wha...whaaaaaat? why would he do that? Mr.SlaveryMan is the best bet for getting Maria back"

 

[alex2011]

hard disagree, he didn't even go to buy her, Helen did, he didn't even think of that, he went insane, i didn't react like that and Maria is one of my absolute favorite characters in this game and for the MC to go at it that way just didn't feel right to me, i wasn't even cursing Cornwall, i was mad, i still felt that the MC could've handled that better, his priority shifted too much for me to agree with it and by the way i'm still on Lin's side of the fence, i hard disagree with Nia's side

I was with Lin before the Maria incident as well, but then all that happened. Someone he cares for got hurt, not necessarily physically, but emotionally and mentally. That can be worse than any physical torment one can endure. As far as we know, she could end up with PTSD from it given that sudden enslavement after being roughly handled during apprehension can be extremely traumatizing. This isn't just an isolated incident we're talking about, it has the potential to scar her for life and we have yet to get confirmation of whether or not it did. If you have someone who needs to be apprehended, perhaps a criminal at large, perhaps a slave on the loose, you don't just rough them up the second you have them in a corner with no way out, especially if they came into your facility willingly. We can't ever confirm it, but maybe they would not have resisted at all if they had been treated normally, but no, the freaking security bot had to use force as if she was trying to run away when she never even had a chance to try just from the suddenness of the apprehension. If they had explained the situation, she might have submitted with no need for security at all, and don't even get me started on if explaining it to her directly was an issue or not because she is part elf. There was a human right there within earshot and the staff could have talked to him while she was there, she would have heard every word.

I would have bought her if I had the option. After she was taken I was freaking out checking the website every morning to see if she had gone up yet. I even just hit the pass time button over and over just to get to the even to get her back to see what would happen to her. Probably the most emotional i've gotten in the game.

It would have been my first action when I got back assuming she was already available, I would have checked every day until she was if not and then bought her when she was. It monetizes and incentivizes the enslavement of elves, but the only other way would be a raid that could ultimately have ended in her death from being caught in the inevitable and quite literal crossfire.

We don't live in a society that has casual slavery of the sort in Harem Hotel, so it's not really the same thing. Let's remember that one of the MC's other girlfriends has also been kidnapped, enslaved, put through hell and traumatized, and he's never seemed anywhere near as angry about it. To continue your example, if your girlfriend told you about the times in her past when she was enslaved and mistreated, would you be angry about it, or would you be as relatively indifferent as the MC?

I think his anger is perfectly understandable and reasonable, but his reactions were stupid, even if I understand them. I mean, I'd already guessed that Maria was half-elf, because of the scars on her ears, and I'm sure others had too; the only reason I'd not been 100% certain about is that as a half-dark elf, Maria should live to be about 250, and there was no indication from anyone that she'd aged more slowly.* So I thought letting her even go for the DNA test was a terrible idea; I also thought she knew/suspected she was half-elf, so her willingness to go seemed bizarre to me.

The MC's anger is because he has, on some level, been okay with elves being slaves; he's angry because he thought Maria was human, and seeing her treated the way elves are treated was the thing that made him snap, because he knows it's a terrible way to treat someone. And yet he was somewhat blasé about elves being treated that way.

*Common elves live fifteen times longer than humans, meaning a 1000 year old common elf is the equivalent to a 65 year old human, and they age at a similarly reduced rate (that's how Lin can be nearly 300 and look to be about 20). Dark elves life half as long as common elves, so they can live to be about 500, though probably less because they're not getting adequate healthcare, and age at about one-seventh the rate of a human. Half elves live half as long as their parent species, so half-dark elves should live to be about 250, and age at about one-third the rate of a human.
Therefore, Maria should either look a lot younger (like about 7 or so) or be a lot older (mid-fifties), and both would have been noticeable when she was growing up. Neither is the case. I think it was a math mistake; Runey says no.
It also proves the superiority of half-elves; elves live longer than humans but learn more slowly, while Maria is a very intelligent woman who was top of her classes, which proves she learns as quickly as a human, but will live substantially longer. Is this true for all half-elves?

In her past is completely different than the Maria situation. With her, it wasn't a past event she just happened to bring up in conversation, it happened right there in front of him. Of course he's going to act the way he did, being an eyewitness to her terrible treatment even with no discernible resistance indicating the potential she might have simply submitted once informed and the complete lack of indication as to why this all was happening. They literally told them nothing, they just sprung the security bot on them with zero warning. They weren't even aware of her being half elf until after Maria was back out of state custody.

 

[allenandarth]

I was with Lin before the Maria incident as well, but then all that happened. Someone he cares for got hurt, not necessarily physically, but emotionally and mentally. That can be worse than any physical torment one can endure. As far as we know, she could end up with PTSD from it given that sudden enslavement after being roughly handled during apprehension can be extremely traumatizing. This isn't just an isolated incident we're talking about, it has the potential to scar her for life and we have yet to get confirmation of whether or not it did. If you have someone who needs to be apprehended, perhaps a criminal at large, perhaps a slave on the loose, you don't just rough them up the second you have them in a corner with no way out, especially if they came into your facility willingly. We can't ever confirm it, but maybe they would not have resisted at all if they had been treated normally, but no, the freaking security bot had to use force as if she was trying to run away when she never even had a chance to try just from the suddenness of the apprehension. If they had explained the situation, she might have submitted with no need for security at all, and don't even get me started on if explaining it to her directly was an issue or not because she is part elf. There was a human right there within earshot and the staff could have talked to him while she was there, she would have heard every word.


It would have been my first action when I got back assuming she was already available, I would have checked every day until she was if not and then bought her when she was. It monetizes and incentivizes the enslavement of elves, but the only other way would be a raid that could ultimately have ended in her death from being caught in the inevitable and quite literal crossfire.


In her past is completely different than the Maria situation. With her, it wasn't a past event she just happened to bring up in conversation, it happened right there in front of him. Of course he's going to act the way he did, being an eyewitness to her terrible treatment even with no discernible resistance indicating the potential she might have simply submitted once informed and the complete lack of indication as to why this all was happening. They literally told them nothing, they just sprung the security bot on them with zero warning. They weren't even aware of her being half elf until after Maria was back out of state custody.

fair enough they were pretty extreme, although, i still side with Lin, i was pretty upset that they just manhandled both the MC and Maria, but my mind went to "how do i fix this?" more than anything else, Maria being a Half-elf wasn't a surprised, it was more of a "when it's gonna happen" than a "what is gonna happen", i had a feeling something like this would happen to Maria not from the start, but from idk the 5 date or something early like that, Maria always gave me a feeling like something was wrong, so maybe that's why i didn't have that much of an anger boost when it happened

 

[QQP_Purple]

I figured it out only when her friend started trying to talk her out of it. That's when it clicked for me and I started going "oh shit oh shit oh shit!"

 

[Runey]

it's not how it seemed to me, to me he went berserk and didn't even stop to think on how to fix what happened, even if you're upset and angry, suddenly calling that guy(i don't ever remember his name) and screaming at him is just not where it would go, you don't even know if he was involved in this specific event, it just doesn't make sense, tbh if it were me i would think "ok everything sucks, but how can i help the love of my life?" idk call "that man" who has power and kinda likes me and say something like "how much do i have to pay, for you to bend the rules a little bit and give my girlfriend back to me?" because until then were kinda friends with the guy or at least that's how it seemed to me, idk that's where my mind went instantly given how things normally developed in this game until now, so the whole screaming at the guy for no specific reason( i know he's the big boy in the game on that area, but you have evidence he was even involved in it or that he knew you were there), as far as i perceived if he was even involved in it he probably just received notice of a random half-elf so he put her to auction, he wasn't out to fuck the MC specifically, so i personally felt that, to me, the MC went crazy, maybe i interpreted the whole incident wrongly then, i just suddenly felt disconnected to the MC to a huge degree on that scene and suddenly started thinking "wha...whaaaaaat? why would he do that? Mr.SlaveryMan is the best bet for getting Maria back"

You don't have to yell at cornwall, that's an option in v0.12.4. Regardless though, I've set up Cornwall to be the antagonist for slavery. He is in control of it all. Luckily you have his number, so you have the option of giving him a piece of your mind and marking him as an enemy. Or you can try to ask Mr. Trenero for help.

Even though cornwall wasn't directly involved, Cornwall is just as responsible for what happened to Maria, MC recognized this. He's definitely not going to help you get your girlfriend back. He's responsible for what happened to Maria in the first place.

 

[GraveXMachina]

Man, to go off topic, gotta give props how this game's one of them few where people here are more invested and discussing the story then the sex parts.

These things hardly even happen with the top games on this site.

 

[alex2011]

fair enough they were pretty extreme, although, i still side with Lin, i was pretty upset that they just manhandled both the MC and Maria, but my mind went to "how do i fix this?" more than anything else, Maria being a Half-elf wasn't a surprised, it was more of a "when it's gonna happen" than a "what is gonna happen", i had a feeling something like this would happen to Maria not from the start, but from idk the 5 date or something early like that, Maria always gave me a feeling like something was wrong, so maybe that's why i didn't have that much of an anger boost when it happened

I won't say I was totally oblivious to it, I had my suspicions about her for a long time, especially once other girls with little to no obvious elven characteristics, like Lin's ears, started to come out about being part elf, but it still caught me by surprise simply on the fact that they walked in, got the DNA test, then boom, instantly treated like some idiot criminal resisting arrest when they didn't even have the chance to start resisting in the first place. It would have been just as easy to explain things without all that rough treatment, and like I said, maybe she would have let them take her for processing peacefully if they hadn't taken her by force completely without warning or justification.

 

[QQP_Purple]

I won't say I was totally oblivious to it, I had my suspicions about her for a long time, especially once other girls with little to no obvious elven characteristics, like Lin's ears, started to come out about being part elf, but it still caught me by surprise simply on the fact that they walked in, got the DNA test, then boom, instantly treated like some idiot criminal resisting arrest when they didn't even have the chance to start resisting in the first place. It would have been just as easy to explain things without all that rough treatment, and like I said, maybe she would have let them take her for processing peacefully if they hadn't taken her by force completely without warning or justification.

Would you have?

 

[GraveXMachina]

I won't say I was totally oblivious to it, I had my suspicions about her for a long time, especially once other girls with little to no obvious elven characteristics, like Lin's ears, started to come out about being part elf, but it still caught me by surprise simply on the fact that they walked in, got the DNA test, then boom, instantly treated like some idiot criminal resisting arrest when they didn't even have the chance to start resisting in the first place. It would have been just as easy to explain things without all that rough treatment, and like I said, maybe she would have let them take her for processing peacefully if they hadn't taken her by force completely without warning or justification.

Oh, there is a justification.
It's greed...
An unregistered half elf just walks in? It's basically free money.
They claimed her and immediately tried to sell her, just proves it.

 

[alex2011]

Would you have?

If you mean submitting, assuming I was calmly explained the situation without first being tackled by a 900 lb robot, that's exaggeration, of course, because I don't know the actual weight of that thing, then yes because it would be the easiest way out of that situation without anyone getting hurt, especially people actually close to me or myself. Besides, Maria had the MC and she knew perfectly well he would not rest until she was safe, which she was right on. If there was no way out without getting treated like that, there's no sense in not resisting, so I would.

Oh, there is a justification.
It's greed...
An unregistered half elf just walks in? It's basically free money.
They claimed her and immediately tried to sell her, just proves it.

That is a reason, but not justification. It gives them a motive, but it doesn't make it the correct way to do it. What if she had gotten injured beyond any recoverable value? All profit would be lost and all reasons that became their motive with it. A damaged slave might as well not exist, they are effectively as useful as not having been a slave in the first place.

 

[QQP_Purple]

If you mean submitting, assuming I was calmly explained the situation without first being tackled by 900 lb robot, that's exaggeration, of course, because I don't know the actual weight of that thing, then yes because it would be the easiest way out of that situation without anyone getting, especially people actually close to me or myself. Besides, Maria had the MC and she knew perfectly well he would not rest until she was safe, which she was right on. If there was no way out without getting treated like that, there's no sense in not resisting, so I would.

That makes one of us than. If I had to choose between being enslaved and going down fighting I'd go down fighting. And this isn't just bravado either. I've seen enough shit to tell you that I would actually go down fighting knowing full well that I would be going down.

Or to put it in more blunt terms. I would force them to kill me just out of sheer spite so as to deny them the profit.

 

[alex2011]

That makes one of us than. If I had to choose between being enslaved and going down fighting I'd go down fighting. And this isn't just bravado either. I've seen enough shit to tell you that I would actually go down fighting knowing full well that I would be going down.

There was no 'go down fighting' option, she was going to be enslaved whether she submitted or resisted, the only things that differed between the two, assuming she was ever even given the chance to submit peacefully instead of what happened, would have been in her value as a slave and if she sustained any injury during enslavement that lowered said value. If it was monetarily motivated, their best course of action would be whichever one gets her into their custody with the least possibility of injury and value decrease.

 

[QQP_Purple]

There was no 'go down fighting' option, she was going to be enslaved whether she submitted or resisted, the only things that differed between the two, assuming she was ever even given the chance to submit peacefully instead of what happened, would have been in her value as a slave and if she sustained any injury during enslavement that lowered said value. If it was monetarily motivated, their best course of action would be whichever one gets her into their custody with the least possibility of injury and value decrease.

No, the best course of action would be to make them kill or cripple me so as to deny them the income. If you can't win the least you can do is make the other side not win either.

You are looking at this from their perspective and thinking that the victim is going to just roll over and give up. And I am telling you that makes absolutely zero sense. Why would anyone willingly roll over and allow their entire life to be destroyed? If that's going to happen anyway it's better to just die.

 

[ankhtar]

We need to remember though, that anger is very good at dulling everything else we might be feeling at the time, including logic and reason. Especially logic and reason. That's how I almost went and shattered the skull of the absolute douche who said my mother should also have died on the very same day I lost my father. I can assure you that having a civilized argument with that person, or anyone else really, was non-existent as I tunnel visioned on him with bat in hand (giggity). Luckily, my friends grabbed me and wrestled the thing from my hand before I made a huge mistake (giggityx2), but the MC had no one to do the same for him (or at least they were unaware of his intentions), so the scream call was made.

It's easy to say now, in hindsight, in all it's glorious, unbiased 20:20 8k HD vision, that people like the guy mentioned above aren't even worth our time or the oxygen they inhale, or that the MC should have done this or that rather than tele-scream at the man who was likely not even aware of this particular situation to begin with, when in the moment, I'd imagine all the MC could think of was reaching for Kali's phone and giving Cornwall a piece of his very angry mind. To shuck the corn, as it were (obligatory giggity). Was it the smart option? I would dare say it was the very opposite of that actually, but, you know, anger.

 

[senpak29]

This game has some strangely good writing at times. Which is cool, but sometimes that means it intrigues me enough that i can't spank it.

 

[Corvus Belli]

...he starts falling in love with one, and eventually realizes, alongside you probably, that this place kinda sucks.

In my defense, I realised as soon as I heard the word "slave", but I accepted it as a conceit of the game. I'd also take this opportunity to say that despite my occasional disagreement with how your story unfolds, I enjoy your game a great deal, and am very much in favour of more romantic events, especially repeatable ones. Things that would help them feel more like relationships than simple fuck-buddies.

This could be reproduced with half elves on Syl'anar though.

Which leads to the obvious question of how much elvish ancestry does a person need for their blood to still function in this manner? Which is especially worth considering given how many people in Syl'anar have elvish ancestry.

A large part of why Vanessa was introduced is so she could show Kali (and maybe the player) why these things are so bad

I figured that, given how quickly she was introduced after "hey, this machine needs parts of a living thing, harvested without their consent." Kali missed the obvious and horrifying conclusion, and then along came a little Jiminy Cricket for her.

If I have ever mentioned that half dark elves live the same as half elves, that should be treated as a bug and fixed. But I think you may be assuming half dark elves were included when something like "Half elves live half as long as elves" was mentioned in the story?

It's the latter. When you said "half elves live half as long as their elven parent", my understanding was that would apply to all half-elves, not just half-common elves; I don't think of the term "half-elf" as excluding "half-dark elves." Mea culpa.
In my defense though, if someone in fiction says "half-human", I assume that applies to all half-humans, not just half-humans with parents of a particular ethnicity. My error here is most likely that I think of the different elves as being the equivalent of ethnicities; they seem to all be one species with minor differences, not distinct sub-species.
And I also assumed, given the clues you dropped a while back, that Maria KNEW she was a half-elf, so I was surprised when her event started, and she was all fired up to go get a genetic test.

 

[allenandarth]

You don't have to yell at cornwall, that's an option in v0.12.4. Regardless though, I've set up Cornwall to be the antagonist for slavery. He is in control of it all. Luckily you have his number, so you have the option of giving him a piece of your mind and marking him as an enemy. Or you can try to ask Mr. Trenero for help.

Even though cornwall wasn't directly involved, Cornwall is just as responsible for what happened to Maria, MC recognized this. He's definitely not going to help you get your girlfriend back. He's responsible for what happened to Maria in the first place.

well...shit, i don't have that version...i thought it was just some bugfixes so i didn't download it, my version i just went straight to yelling...and now i saved over it...i might have to replay the whole game again

 

[Tavi13]

well...shit, i don't have that version...i thought it was just some bugfixes so i didn't download it, my version i just went straight to yelling...and now i saved over it...i might have to replay the whole game again

You and me both. Saw the Changelog said bug fixes, wasn't bugging, so didn't bother downloading it.....I'll have to check my saves and see if I still have one from before that. If not, I guess it will be a full play-through with the new release.

Personally I think making Cornwall an enemy at this point is not a smart idea....no way we are ready to stand against him (openly).
I do wish I had the chance to go down swinging at the hospital though. I know it would have been a losing battle from the start, but it would have been worth the bail and/or jail time to knock-out at least one of those pricks.

 

[alex2011]

No, the best course of action would be to make them kill or cripple me so as to deny them the income. If you can't win the least you can do is make the other side not win either.

You are looking at this from their perspective and thinking that the victim is going to just roll over and give up. And I am telling you that makes absolutely zero sense. Why would anyone willingly roll over and allow their entire life to be destroyed? If that's going to happen anyway it's better to just die.

If the victim wants to survive, their best bet is to let it happen if they have any better chance of surviving that way and especially in this particular situation, where she has friends on the outside, including human friendsthat could get more done diplomatically than any elf could in such a place. I'm not looking at this from the perspective of the slavers, I'm taking this from the VERY specific perspective of Maria herself and including unknown elements. She isn't alone in this and we have no clue what she would have done presented the option of coming quietly. It's not better to just die in her situation because there is a ray of hope that could lead to a way out, which it did. It would be if and only if there was no way to recover from the situation, to get out of it back to the free world and restore their old life as best they can, but she had that opportunity because she had the MC, Ellen, and everyone else at the hotel doing whatever they could to get her back, mostly Ellen, who was the one who found her on the market and bought her back into their custody.

We need to remember though, that anger is very good at dulling everything else we might be feeling at the time, including logic and reason. Especially logic and reason. That's how I almost went and shattered the skull of the absolute douche who said my mother should also have died on the very same day I lost my father. I can assure you that having a civilized argument with that person, or anyone else really, was non-existent as I tunnel visioned on him with bat in hand (giggity). Luckily, my friends grabbed me and wrestled the thing from my hand before I made a huge mistake (giggityx2), but the MC had no one to do the same for him (or at least they were unaware of his intentions), so the scream call was made.

It's easy to say now, in hindsight, in all it's glorious, unbiased 20:20 8k HD vision, that people like the guy mentioned above aren't even worth our time or the oxygen they inhale, or that the MC should have done this or that rather than tele-scream at the man who was likely not even aware of this particular situation to begin with, when in the moment, I'd imagine all the MC could think of was reaching for Kali's phone and giving Cornwall a piece of his very angry mind. To shuck the corn, as it were (obligatory giggity). Was it the smart option? I would dare say it was the very opposite of that actually, but, you know, anger.

It doesn't just dull other things, it can outright blind a person if it is strong enough at any given moment and a blind rage can be deadly, mostly for the other people involved, but possibly for the angry one as well.

In my defense, I realised as soon as I heard the word "slave", but I accepted it as a conceit of the game. I'd also take this opportunity to say that despite my occasional disagreement with how your story unfolds, I enjoy your game a great deal, and am very much in favour of more romantic events, especially repeatable ones. Things that would help them feel more like relationships than simple fuck-buddies.


Which leads to the obvious question of how much elvish ancestry does a person need for their blood to still function in this manner? Which is especially worth considering given how many people in Syl'anar have elvish ancestry.


I figured that, given how quickly she was introduced after "hey, this machine needs parts of a living thing, harvested without their consent." Kali missed the obvious and horrifying conclusion, and then along came a little Jiminy Cricket for her.


It's the latter. When you said "half elves live half as long as their elven parent", my understanding was that would apply to all half-elves, not just half-common elves; I don't think of the term "half-elf" as excluding "half-dark elves." Mea culpa.
In my defense though, if someone in fiction says "half-human", I assume that applies to all half-humans, not just half-humans with parents of a particular ethnicity. My error here is most likely that I think of the different elves as being the equivalent of ethnicities; they seem to all be one species with minor differences, not distinct sub-species.
And I also assumed, given the clues you dropped a while back, that Maria KNEW she was a half-elf, so I was surprised when her event started, and she was all fired up to go get a genetic test.

I get the VERY strong feeling that the amount of elven ancestry needed for use as fuel is exactly the same as the amount needed for enslavement. The law is only effective on a person with a certain amount of elven DNA, but why would they specify something that selective if the whole point is to enslave elves? The could just as easily do it with an all-encompassing slavery law that makes all elves eligible for enslavement, so it makes no sense to make something as specific and far less enforceable as this law unless it served a greater purpose, such as harvesting them. Maybe only a select amount or higher will work.

well...shit, i don't have that version...i thought it was just some bugfixes so i didn't download it, my version i just went straight to yelling...and now i saved over it...i might have to replay the whole game again

I didn't see any reason, either, so I did not, but I intended to yell at Cornwall anyway, so I'm not sure I would do anything differently given the option.