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how to increase friendship exactly? I tried everything and her friendship still can't goes up above 10
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hurrrrray, somehow met with android in laundry playing with her self and her friendship rose to 14. niceee, thanks for the answer
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Friendship is raised by doing story events, typically advanced by going to their room every few days and clicking *TALK*. Though, like ^ that one, there are some that will trigger in other ways.
I don't really play favorites. I give story content to every main character every update.
At least it was a, hopefully, one time issue.
Unfortunately, the people who we can reach in large enough numbers are the same people who would not be changed by our message. Otherwise, things would have at least started out less abusively or even without slavery at all depending on who else was the majority.
Definitely, he's pretty much the only one that can calm the majority down without the need to do more violence after eliminating him.
But they CAN stop us, Syl'anar isn't a dictatorship where, if we gain power, they have no control at all. Then again, if it was a dictatorship, we would be in a much worse situation.
There are worse, but he's still every bit as guilty for letting it happen.
Maybe, but a little bit at a time might be too late for the elves.
Hiring traitors or gathering unwanted attention. This is a network that is thriving in the shadows, it won't survive, even with Kali's funding, if it gets exposed. This is where covert operations come in, work from the shadows to eliminate threats, free elves, and gain political traction. Not necessarily with bloodshed, but blackmail to force the opposition to turn on each other unless they want something exposed, dirt to be exposed in political attacks, not even just claiming things in said attacks, but even outright proving them true. The court of popular opinion is a powerful ally to have and can definitely determine an entire election. Real world example, the latest supreme court justice in the US would NOT have gotten his position if it was one where he had to be elected by the people instead of appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate. The same is very true of any elected official, if you are on the bad side of the court of public opinion, you have already lost.
Sadly, the new way they do updates/backing up the server, means that this will continue to be an issue if we try to post at the backup time (every 4 hours).
That isn't true, we have done this in real life forever, stories have long been used to convince people to change their minds on various topics. It won't be easy, and it will take time, you have to slowly move that needle. Maybe you don't convince someone that elves should be free right away, but you might get them to not abuse them as often, it's like an alignment change, you won't go from Lawful Evil to Chaotic Good over night, you have to take it in stages.
That is my point, we need to get the lower offices filled first. The president might have a lot of power, but if it works like the U.S., then controlling the lower offices can help us get a lot more done, and like you said, we can't do it without them. If we do not take over those offices first, they will be the ones to stop us.
He is just as guilty for letting it happen, as he is 'guilty' for saving many others from similar abuse. It's give and take situation.
Well, I wouldn't say 'traitors', but yes, that is also what I have been saying, but funding can help them stay hidden, as well as have access to better technology and better bribes.
That is the point of the media campaign^, to get more of the pubic on our side. Though, you are ignoring gerrymandering and other cheating that continues to elect the people with less votes. We also don't know if they have something like the electoral college or other bodies that can override the voters either.
Hello.
Since a long time, I'm waiting for Kali level 29 event to start. It's been ages since the last time I had something for her. Can't talk to her, and no event starting. I suspect some script issue. Is there any solution for that?
Thanks for your help.
Since a long time, I'm waiting for Kali level 29 event to start. It's been ages since the last time I had something for her. Can't talk to her, and no event starting. I suspect some script issue. Is there any solution for that?
Thanks for your help.
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One point you are also ignoring is, that two can play. Who say that the "Pro Slave" don't use the same tactic as you? For every change, regardless if it is much needed or not, a lot of people feeling threated, regardless of what change and if the even would be affected.
So a lot of power and opinions need to be changed. This needs time and resource. If a public opinion is the same for one topic and the country have enforce this opinion since a long time, then you will be shaped with it and accept it. For all this and the one in who are in power in this structur you need to change and change slow and small otherwise you risk an uprising or a coup.
Also covert operation, espionage and all other things. If Syl'anar is, to some degree, based on states her, they have police, military, intelligence service and so on. And I doubt a covert operation with a loose cannon of an elf, a very powerful, but instable android and a goody-two-shoes MC could pull the wool over their eyes.
Well, yeah, one assumes that is the default at the moment, that is why we need to show them that there is another way. As a real world example, from the old days when gay people had to be the 'fun uncle' like on Bewitched, to eventually working up to shows like Will and Grace. The same can be said for black people who used to only be used as someone in the background, or at best the side character who makes the main characters learn the error of their ways. But then we got shows where they were the main characters, and that is now more or less normal.
Yeah, the other side of this process is a smear campaign against the pro-slavery candidates, make them look like thieves, rapists, call their devotion to the church into question, whatever thing their voters would dislike the most, all funded through Political Action Committees, that don't have to disclose their donors.
Police, sure, but for the most part, none of this is illegal, other than breaking and entering, but the fairies can get around most of that, and like I keep saying, we don't really need that, real political campaigns don't have to have facts to make accusations, even news media can make outrageous claims and just say they are 'just asking questions' while still remaining legally safe. The military would only be an issue if they try to attack them or physically go after someone really important. The intelligence agencies would be an issue, but again, only if you go after certain targets, if you are careful, this would be a safe operation, most of what I have said all have real world examples that show that it's more than possible.
Also, it's not just one elf, one android, and the MC with the magic dick, we also have the power of another nation, since not only would Kali's dad want to help his girls, but his new wife would also do anything she can to help us with this, she is why he gave us the money to build Sanctuary. We also have Vanessa and her friends, the fairies, and the other girls. Not to mention, at some point we will likely get the church and Common Elf Queen on our side, and a small network of spies. Our power base is just going to keep growing, and as long as we keep from more childish outbursts, we can keep a "respectable" public image.
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Depend very much of how they whant status quo to remain.
If, and some of them must, make their opinion about elves public, then you have the publicity. Thus police and agency know of you at least then, if not before.
Now, it depend on how the state works.
If it is an ideal world - and I highly doubt that - they won't give a fuck about, because of the separation of powers. And even if their nation is build around the separation of powers even then an abuse of the power some of them have can always be an issue.
If the nation is more loose in this principle, then you can have an agency or police on your tail after your first public speech, if not before. Sure, you can disguise and abscure your operation, yet they have agency that deal with such case and can find where the moneys come from.
And when they find out that our bitchs daddy is the money source they could work against it. Use that a forgein power try to manipulate their votes or so on.
Money alone don't equals to power and you have a lot of tools, if you are in power, to silence others even some with a lot of money. And lot of the people in power aren't in power because they stumble over their post, but because they work for their post and done a lot of underhand dealings even if its only "you support me and I look that I don't follow my agenda in this point anymore".
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I see, I must have missed that announcement or they didn't make one. The only thing I ever saw right before the issue was server maintenance warnings.
There are some people who cannot be convinced. They don't have a price, in other words, whether we're talking actual bribes as that phrasing is typically used for or values. I am one of those people on different subjects than what we are talking about. No advertisement works on me and if anyone actually tries to convince me of something politically without backing it up with documented fact, I start to believe the opposite. These people are so ingrained in that thing they stick to, whether it's slavery or not, they will do anything to keep it. There is actually a pretty good parallel drawn to the old US south, the days of the CSA are much like how Syl'anar is minus the part where they secede from their nation because Syl'anar wouldn't need to thanks to the majority favoring it. That majority then seems split between the reformists and the...traditionalists? with the first being willing to tone down the treatment of slaves a bit and even desiring it while the second wants to continue the way it was. Neither is in favor of abolishing it, but the reformists are in a more moderate position that would be much easier to convince them away from while the traditionalists are more inclined to put their foot down and dig in.
He isn't guilty of anything but allowing elves to be abused. The reforms were minimal, a facade to keep his power. You see it with campaign promises all the time in real elections.
When I said traitors, I was using your words, the last bit of your previous reply specifically used traitors, a valid word for someone who goes against their own kind.
You're right, we don't know and, if they do have an EC type system, we don't know how it might differ. It could even be slanted in their favor.
That loose cannon is exactly why I said she needs something to keep her from going too far.
Thank you. I haven't downloaded the original file due to its size but the compressed one seems to be bug-ridden. It shows an error any time I try to use the PC in the room at all except for the event where I was able to see the receptionists pictures.
Code:
While running game code:
File "game/scripts/computer.rpy", line 135, in script
call screen computer
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 531, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "game/scripts/computer.rpy", line 106, in execute
screen computer:
File "game/scripts/computer.rpy", line 106, in execute
screen computer:
File "game/scripts/computer.rpy", line 109, in execute
imagebutton pos (285, 120) auto "pc/btn/icon_store_%s.png" focus_mask True action Show("store_outfits")
Exception: Imagebutton does not have a idle image. (auto=u'pc/btn/icon_store_%s.png').Same applies for an event in the lobby around day 30-35.
Code:
While running game code:
File "game/scripts/lobby_script.rpy", line 192, in script call
call screen lobbygirls
File "game/scripts/lobby_script.rpy", line 192, in script
call screen lobbygirls
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 531, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "game/scripts/screens.rpy", line 2151, in execute
screen lobbygirls():
File "game/scripts/screens.rpy", line 2151, in execute
screen lobbygirls():
File "game/scripts/screens.rpy", line 2280, in execute
if ellenchill == True:
File "game/scripts/screens.rpy", line 2282, in execute
imagebutton pos (1036, 155) auto "ellenchill_%s.png" action Jump("ellenchilldesk")
Exception: Imagebutton does not have a idle image. (auto=u'ellenchill_%s.png').
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Some can say they are in favor of freeing elves, there is nothing illegal about that, or Vanessa would be in jail.
IDK, in the real world, this goes on, out in public, without hiding most of the identities, and no one does anything about it, other thing give them more money.
Money is one aspect of power, and it is how you use it. As it stands, Kali's dad more or less owns the country is he in, and has more money than most countries. He all but runs that country. He can buy almost any politician he wants. The only thing that might be preventing him from doing that in our country at the moment, might just be laws about foreigners donating to politicians, but with something like a P.A.C. and the MC and his people, they can do it anonymously, and legally.
The thing is, the companies there profit off of slavery, so they all buy they pro slavery candidates, so if someone start buying them and telling them to do the opposite, we could make a difference, and no one would know who is telling them to say anything. It is all about private meetings, political donations, and so on, the same things that go on every day.
They have been going down for a backup or something every four hours (for me, it's 12, 4, and 8), but they changed the way it works, while it used to give an error message and say if it last more than a bit, go to their discord or something, but when it reloaded, it would still remember where you were. Now, the new page is enough of a change, that it will forget what you typed.
Correct, there are some people who will never change, but they will be outnumbered eventually, and as things change, they can be pushed out of any position of power. Most people on the other hand, will follow whatever is popular. Just like most people want to do the right thing, they just need to be shown there is another way.
Yes, he has been conservative in his reforms, since he has only somewhat recently started to make those changes, and he is 'testing the waters' as it were. You can't undo 300 years of oppression overnight without something drastic like war. Especially when it would pretty much crash their economy if they are not careful. As mas at him as you are for not going far enough, more people are mad at him for doing what he did, but thanks to the player, he was starting to see that treating them with love and care could be a better method than a firm hand, but he can't learn that if we cut off his head (figuratively or literally).
"Against their own kind" Interesting choice of words. Personally, I see people who think that it's okay abuse others as traitors to humanity. Freeing elves is not traitorous, enslaving them is. We are trying to help this nation regain its humanity, but we can do that without breaking too many laws if we are smart and careful. Start small, and work our way up, don't start by going after the big dogs.
Yes, Nia/Sui needs a tight leash. That is why I was suggesting we help expand what she does, and try to channel her energy into less violent paths. As she sees that we are making progress, her anger issues would lessen, and she can focus her energy into things that can help more than a few elves at a time. Odds are, we will still occasionally need the services of The Bat Elf, but the less we have to resort to that, the better.
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Yes, money can be power, but don't need to be.
Kali's dad owns a contry more or less, but the question is what can he do in Syl'anar with that power he have? IRL China has limited influence in USA and vice versa as well as Russia. Yet, all of this nation have power in abundance and the (rest of) the world is their playground.
Nevertheless the main question is how he can use his power in Syl'anar. And you can transfer money, digital you know very much where the money goes, not always for what, but from who to who. If you want to avoid this you need to disguise your track, means you can't do it digital. Thus someone needs to go around with a heavy trunk of money. Most countries (IRL) have laws for if you move (too) much money around and thus you would either need to declare your actions or act illegal.
Additonal an county can freeze an account of a person, if the want or better worded if the would do an action that qualified for this reaction.
And also the most of the area is gray not black or white and most of the action our MC needs to do aren't in the rule book. They may not be illegal per se, but would catch a lot of interest.
Thus all of are assumption form all of us as we have not enough information and only Runey can give us more (canon) information.
Yet, I don't think that he would do this political trench warfare as I image it would need to much time. I assume our story (and the MC alonge the ride) will do something other that allowes them to change Syl'anar in a much shorter time periode.
It doesn't have to be, it is all in how you use it.
China didn't but others have. China didn't have as many operatives, and it is not about what he can do alone, other than getting his country to back our positions, such as sanctions on anything from there, or withholding any aid they may be giving us, and more. But what his money can do, is fund our efforts.
Look up Super PACs. Yes, it might be known that he sent his daughter or her boyfriend money, but what we do with it can be hidden.
Yes, they could freeze her account, but they would have to have a reason for it. Playing in politics, even if that is known, is not illegal. Unlike some of the suggestions about breaking into people places and stealing their files, most of what I have suggested is perfectly legal. There is no reason they have for working against her/us as long as we are careful.
As long as we are careful, there are few things they can legally do against them, and what can be done, would be avoided if we keep most of this on the down low until we already have a number of people in place. Start small, and work our way up, doing everything we can to stay within the law, or do it so well we don't get caught (like Android hacking).
Most of that would have to be a long term thing, and this speculation may have gotten out of hand, but nonetheless, I still say it is a smarter way to go than trying to assassinate heads of state or attacking Cornwall directly.
Rich people in real life buy politicians every day, no reason we can't do it in the game too. Even without Kali's dad's money, I know my guy is amassing a good bit of wealth on his own, more than enough to buy ...er, I mean become a major donor to some local politician, like a governor, house rep, or whatever.
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i wouldn't say "bug-ridden" exactly... cough blame runey for not consistently using images in webp format cough
but anyway that should be fixed. updated archive should be uploaded within, say, an hour? i'll edit the post when that's done
EDIT: should be updated now.
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You got lost in the discussions some of the guys were having; with some of the girl's stories, you need to progress the other girl's stories before the trigger is ready for them. I can't remember exactly what needs to be done to progress Kali at 29, but I remember that her story is heavily intertwined with the Android's story.
Regardless, just advance the other girls' stories, and you should receive advancement for Kali as well.
As for TheDevian and c3p0... holy crap, you guys are doing some serious discussion!
Not a bad thing at all, I think that sort of thing is great, but damn surprising for me to check after a few days and see all the text!
As for the whole losing your post thing, might be worth trying to write on a notepad or word document if it's really big before you post? I don't do that often, but it has saved me a few times when I was writing in other forums in the past.