VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[alex2011]

Yes, IF someone checks, but no one is going to run her ID by just walking down the street, most people in the world do not have the ability to do so, even if they want to. Just seeing someone on the street, no one is going to know what she is, otherwise she would have been busted already. How often does someone just run your papers because you are outside?

Even if they are available to the public, no one is going to look, just because they see her. They don't just randomly check people like that. No one would have any reason to check, unless you give them that reason.

You are okay with torturing them to death, but you have a problem with making them go for a naked walk? I just don't get this?

I have no interest in hurting anyone, or killing them, but humiliating them, far worse than they did to anyone else, I think is good. Show them what it is like, you can't learn anything if you are dead.

Are you so sure? In real life legal slavery, I mean back when it was legal, there were people whose job was specifically to hunt down runaways and given the position of the slaves in game, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of runaways being a thing in Syl'anar as well, which means there are possibly people who not only could, but that have to run IDs. Then there's the fact that enslavement eligible elves don't necessarily look the part, such as Maria, who looks human except her eyes, even her skin tone isn't a giveaway. That alone would make the pro-slavery bunch wary that there could be enslavement eligible elves among them without even knowing, so this would then extend to checking for them for security purposes, especially with rogue elements like Nia.

I don't have a problem with having them walked naked like animals, but it would not make sense for them to willingly submit to it and what I do have a problem with is stooping to their level. Forcing them into the act would be stooping to their level, which is why I would be against it.

Unfortunately for those two, I've gone full Nia at this point. The thousand cuts thing is entirely driven by revenge for Maria's treatment and that of almost an entire race of people. I would make it quick, but they've hurt way too many elves for that to be possible, the sheer volume of elves would be their demise, at least most likely, they might survive.

Normally, I have no interest in hurting others without cause or unless the game is specifically based around hurting people, such as rape content, and I don't have this ability to do so in real life except in self defense, but they've gone too far. I don't think these two have the capacity to learn this lesson, they are too far gone. Others might have such capacity, but the nurse especially almost seemed like she was enjoying it and Cornwall doesn't care as long as his position isn't threatened, which we cannot do with what we have except to threaten his life in the process.

Hey, maybe if they're lucky, they'll either pass out or run out of elves they've wronged while still alive. Maybe the trauma of the experience will be enough to drive into their thick skulls the lesson they seem to be unable to learn normally. It is a long shot, but just maybe it will change them for the better assuming they survive. Either that or it will break them completely, still eliminating the threat they pose without them dying.

In games, I go eye for an eye, no exceptions, not even games where I have come to actually care about the characters as if they were real, like the girls at the hotel in this case. They essentially stripped Maria of her life by enslaving her and seizing her assets, leaving her unable to survive without the MC being generous and kind enough to help her for nothing in return, so my idea is to strip them of theirs, but they aren't enslavement eligible currently and we would have to force a test on them to put them through the exact same thing as Maria. The next best thing is literally stripping them of life.

Not my first choice, but I'm not seeing an equivalent alternative as most things already mentioned are too light to be equivalent to what Maria went through not to mention the others.

 

[TheDevian]

Are you so sure? In real life legal slavery, I mean back when it was legal, there were people whose job was specifically to hunt down runaways and given the position of the slaves in game, I wouldn't exclude the possibility of runaways being a thing in Syl'anar as well, which means there are possibly people who not only could, but that have to run IDs. Then there's the fact that enslavement eligible elves don't necessarily look the part, such as Maria, who looks human except her eyes, even her skin tone isn't a giveaway. That alone would make the pro-slavery bunch wary that there could be enslavement eligible elves among them without even knowing, so this would then extend to checking for them for security purposes, especially with rogue elements like Nia.

I don't have a problem with having them walked naked like animals, but it would not make sense for them to willingly submit to it and what I do have a problem with is stooping to their level. Forcing them into the act would be stooping to their level, which is why I would be against it.

Unfortunately for those two, I've gone full Nia at this point. The thousand cuts thing is entirely driven by revenge for Maria's treatment and that of almost an entire race of people. I would make it quick, but they've hurt way too many elves for that to be possible, the sheer volume of elves would be their demise, at least most likely, they might survive.

Normally, I have no interest in hurting others without cause or unless the game is specifically based around hurting people, such as rape content, and I don't have this ability to do so in real life except in self defense, but they've gone too far. I don't think these two have the capacity to learn this lesson, they are too far gone. Others might have such capacity, but the nurse especially almost seemed like she was enjoying it and Cornwall doesn't care as long as his position isn't threatened, which we cannot do with what we have except to threaten his life in the process.

Hey, maybe if they're lucky, they'll either pass out or run out of elves they've wronged while still alive. Maybe the trauma of the experience will be enough to drive into their thick skulls the lesson they seem to be unable to learn normally. It is a long shot, but just maybe it will change them for the better assuming they survive. Either that or it will break them completely, still eliminating the threat they pose without them dying.

In games, I go eye for an eye, no exceptions, not even games where I have come to actually care about the characters as if they were real, like the girls at the hotel in this case. They essentially stripped Maria of her life by enslaving her and seizing her assets, leaving her unable to survive without the MC being generous and kind enough to help her for nothing in return, so my idea is to strip them of theirs, but they aren't enslavement eligible currently and we would have to force a test on them to put them through the exact same thing as Maria. The next best thing is literally stripping them of life.

Not my first choice, but I'm not seeing an equivalent alternative as most things already mentioned are too light to be equivalent to what Maria went through not to mention the others.

But she isn't a runaway, no one is hunting her, no one has any reason to look for her, as far as anyone can tell, she is just another human walking down the road with their kinky friend.

I think forcing them to embarrass themselves, is nothing compared to torture.

I wouldn't make it quick, I would show them what it is like to be a slave, teach them some humiliation, and how it feels to be powerless.

In games, like in the real world, I generally try to go for a better future, and education is the usually the best way for that. I mean, sure, there are some games where you don't have a choice, or you do a 'kill all' run, but for my main run, I try to redeem everyone I can.

 

[c3p0]

Also even for the police they need to know how they look like before they can do anything at all. And for half elves with clipped ears they look like anyone other with elven blood in it and thus can't be distinguished from the "normal" folks if they don't wear their collar.
I doubt ever police officer would know about ever half elves in their system. They would only shows the the runaways and dangerous one for normal if they don't do an area sweep.

Yes, face recognition. Sure, it can work, but has a lot of flaws and need a camera. As I didn't see cameras around the only ones that could do that would be the police bots.
Yet they don't care if your half elf is on pet play with a human if this is all right in the eyes of the law.

Also simple solution to this bitchy nurse why on walk with Maria put a gag in her mouth.

And I'm with TheDevian here, as I usual follow a good path in games and not one for revenge or so.

If I'm not wrong, then the only elf we know she've "wrong" is Maria. Also for the official law she've done nothing wrong, but regardless, Maria is the only one we know. So even though for sure she won't be a sage, she could just recently acquired this job and Maria was her first victim...

 

[TheDevian]

Of course, it also depends on how much I like the story. Fallout 4 for example, I went on a killing spree pretty quickly. Never did care enough to finish the main story, figured out all of their little twists before the intro was done.

If I'm not wrong, then the only elf we know she've "wrong" is Maria. Also for the official law she've done nothing wrong, but regardless, Maria is the only one we know. So even though for sure she won't be a sage, she could just recently acquired this job and Maria was her first victim...

While that is possible, I am guessing that she has had that job for a while. But this is all based on circumstantial evidence, so like you said, it could go either way. Hard to say for sure.

While her attitude showed that she was in command, she also could have been overcompensating.

 

[freedom.call]

Of course, it also depends on how much I like the story. Fallout 4 for example, I went on a killing spree pretty quickly. Never did care enough to finish the main story, figured out all of their little twists before the intro was done.

While that is possible, I am guessing that she has had that job for a while. But this is all based on circumstantial evidence, so like you said, it could go either way. Hard to say for sure.

While her attitude showed that she was in command, she also could have been overcompensating.

I got the feeling it was a 'this is how the system works' thing and not necessarily an evil sadistic nurse. We have to remember Maria's been free all her life, I don't see her go 'oh I'm half elf? Oki, what do I do now?'

Kudos to Runey again, I've gone through more emotions in this story than any other game. That nurse pissed me off though.

 

[Lithormane]

I know I have asked before how to trigger Kali wearing a maid outfit a second time. Though I have been trying and checking Kali/Lin rooms repeatedly at all times of each day for a few in games weeks with nothing to show from it. Is there a way the story may have been locked up by an accidental choice? Or should I just keep trying?

 

[freedom.call]

Iirc the 2nd Kali maid event is when she 'punishes' Lin for reckless popcorning, definitely not weeks from the first but it might be linked to another event.

 

[primerib1]

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I wonder how you performed the conversion? What steps and/or tools you use?

I mean, in Runey's itch.io, I'm told to (1) grab the PC version, and (2) use "Joiplay" app + Ren'Py plugin.

But you made the game into an 'all-in-one' apk ...

The reason I'm asking is because I have some other Ren'Py games that I want to play on my Android phone, so if I can turn them into an apk as well, it would be swell..

 

[alex2011]

But she isn't a runaway, no one is hunting her, no one has any reason to look for her, as far as anyone can tell, she is just another human walking down the road with their kinky friend.

I think forcing them to embarrass themselves, is nothing compared to torture.

I wouldn't make it quick, I would show them what it is like to be a slave, teach them some humiliation, and how it feels to be powerless.

In games, like in the real world, I generally try to go for a better future, and education is the usually the best way for that. I mean, sure, there are some games where you don't have a choice, or you do a 'kill all' run, but for my main run, I try to redeem everyone I can.

Not what I'm saying, what I said is that there probably are, which raises demand for people who would hunt them down for return to the owner. These hunters would have to check ID for the person they are hunting.

It's also nothing compared to actual slavery, forcing embarrassment is too light to be equivalent.

I would, but that isn't an option, too many elves to give a chance to avenge themselves for it to be quick.

These two I can't see being educated by anything short of their lives flashing before their eyes, which means going at them intending for them to die even if they manage to survive the encounter. Like I said, that nurse seemed to enjoy what she was doing and that means she would actively resist any attempt to change how she feels about it. Cornwall I can't say for sure, but given his politician career, I would say he would prioritize views that would keep him in office, which directly conflict with the lesson we want them to learn.

If all else fails and they prove entirely incapable of learning this lesson, there's always the original intent, which would then take them out of the picture and nullify any threat they pose whether they survive as nothing but a shell or they don't survive at all. It's killing two birds with one stone, the elves get revenge and the two of them get taken out or learn their lesson.

Also even for the police they need to know how they look like before they can do anything at all. And for half elves with clipped ears they look like anyone other with elven blood in it and thus can't be distinguished from the "normal" folks if they don't wear their collar.
I doubt ever police officer would know about ever half elves in their system. They would only shows the the runaways and dangerous one for normal if they don't do an area sweep.

Yes, face recognition. Sure, it can work, but has a loot of flaws and need a camera. As I didn't see cameras around the only ones that could do that would be the police bots.
Yet they don't care if your half elf is on pet play with a human if this is all right in the eyes of the law.

Also simple solution to this bitchy nurse why on walk with Maria put a gag in her mouth.

And I'm with TheDevian here, as I usual follow a good path in games and not one for revenge or so.

If I'm not wrong, then the only elf we know she've "wrong" is Maria. Also for the official law she've done nothing wrong, but regardless, Maria is the only one we know. So even though for sure she won't be a sage, she could just recently acquired this job and Maria was her first victim...

Exactly, and that means maintaining a record of the person.

I'm not normally one for revenge, either, but this game and one other have me looking at them different than any other game.

That's the thing, there's no way she hasn't done this before, otherwise she wouldn't have enjoyed it so much with Maria. As for the law, that's another issue, they've done nothing wrong by the law, but the law itself is wrong, so they HAVE done something wrong.

Of course, it also depends on how much I like the story. Fallout 4 for example, I went on a killing spree pretty quickly. Never did care enough to finish the main story, figured out all of their little twists before the intro was done.

While that is possible, I am guessing that she has had that job for a while. But this is all based on circumstantial evidence, so like you said, it could go either way. Hard to say for sure.

While her attitude showed that she was in command, she also could have been overcompensating.

Still working on Fallout 4, near the end of the main story, BoS side.

I would say she's definitely had that job for a while.

I got the feeling it was a 'this is how the system works' thing and not necessarily an evil sadistic nurse. We have to remember Maria's been free all her life, I don't see her go 'oh I'm half elf? Oki, what do I do now?'

Kudos to Runey again, I've gone through more emotions in this story than any other game. That nurse pissed me off though.

That's what I thought at first as well, but then I took a second look at the Maria enslavement scene and she definitely isn't just doing her job, she's enjoying it.

I wonder how you performed the conversion? What steps and/or tools you use?

I mean, in Runey's itch.io, I'm told to (1) grab the PC version, and (2) use "Joiplay" app + Ren'Py plugin.

But you made the game into an 'all-in-one' apk ...

The reason I'm asking is because I have some other Ren'Py games that I want to play on my Android phone, so if I can turn them into an apk as well, it would be swell..

They do what is called 'crunching.' This means reducing file sizes as much as possible through changing image file types and codecs and other methods. However, things don't always go as intended with some cases being buggy and rarely buggy enough to be considered unplayable, though I haven't seen one from anyone here get that bad. The bigger the game, the more they have to do and the higher the chance of issues. This, along with not wanting visual quality to drop too far, is why Runey is not offering an Android version anymore, the game just got too big and eventually it will get too big for these methods the unofficial porters are using to make a difference.

 

[TheDevian]

Not what I'm saying, what I said is that there probably are, which raises demand for people who would hunt them down for return to the owner. These hunters would have to check ID for the person they are hunting.

Right, but for that to factor in, someone would have to be looking for her, or someone who looks like her. We are never going to report her as a runaway, even if she did, so that isn't really an issue.

It's also nothing compared to actual slavery, forcing embarrassment is too light to be equivalent.

That is my point, this started because you said that Maria doing this, would make her just as bad as the nurse and the others. Now you are talking about torturing and killing the woman. First you say it goes to far, and now you say it is not far enough.

These two I can't see being educated by anything short of their lives flashing before their eyes, which means going at them intending for them to die even if they manage to survive the encounter. Like I said, that nurse seemed to enjoy what she was doing and that means she would actively resist any attempt to change how she feels about it. Cornwall I can't say for sure, but given his politician career, I would say he would prioritize views that would keep him in office, which directly conflict with the lesson we want them to learn.

Well, then they will be in the reeducation system for a loooong time.

If all else fails and they prove entirely incapable of learning this lesson, there's always the original intent, which would then take them out of the picture and nullify any threat they pose whether they survive as nothing but a shell or they don't survive at all. It's killing two birds with one stone, the elves get revenge and the two of them get taken out or learn their lesson.

Again, that is my point, they will stay there until they learn.

And this is no more the same as enslaving them as it is to put someone in jail for committing any other horrific crime and making them work there. Which, is a far greater deterrent than the death penalty.

Still working on Fallout 4, near the end of the main story, BoS side.

I have a ton of ours in there ...mostly just building though. The story is worse than crap, and they shit all over the established lore, even their own.

I would say she's definitely had that job for a while.

Probably, but she could just be a bitch/Karen. ;p

That's what I thought at first as well, but then I took a second look at the Maria enslavement scene and she definitely isn't just doing her job, she's enjoying it.

Yes, but an eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.

While killing them is quicker and easier, it can have other unforeseen effects, such as maybe leaving her kids out for revenge, or whatever. While sometimes there might not be much choice, when I can, I try to go the path of education.

 

[alex2011]

Right, but for that to factor in, someone would have to be looking for her, or someone who looks like her. We are never going to report her as a runaway, even if she did, so that isn't really an issue.
That is my point, this started because you said that Maria doing this, would make her just as bad as the nurse and the others. Now you are talking about torturing and killing the woman. First you say it goes to far, and now you say it is not far enough.
Well, then they will be in the reeducation system for a loooong time.
Again, that is my point, they will stay there until they learn.

And this is no more the same as enslaving them as it is to put someone in jail for committing any other horrific crime and making them work there. Which, is a far greater deterrent than the death penalty.
I have a ton of ours in there ...mostly just building though. The story is worse than crap, and they shit all over the established lore, even their own.
Probably, but she could just be a bitch/Karen. ;p

Yes, but an eye for an eye just makes the whole world blind.

While killing them is quicker and easier, it can have other unforeseen effects, such as maybe leaving her kids out for revenge, or whatever. While sometimes there might not be much choice, when I can, I try to go the path of education.

For a hunter to be hunting her, yes, but that same database they would pull from means that anyone could know what she looks like and Cornwall or the nurse are pretty much ruined if caught submitting.

Yes, having Maria force a free citizen of Syl'anar makes her no better than the people that forced her into slavery. When I said things were going too far, that, I believe, was directly after the Maria enslavement, when I hadn't made the realization that the nurse was enjoying it instead of just doing it because it was her job. Now I say it is not enough to force them to submit to Maria because that's not all these two did to Maria.

They essentially took her life away. If the MC hadn't already been housing her, she would be as good as dead until she actually was dead. They took her money, so she has no way to pay for housing, food, anything she needs to survive. That's a death sentence and a MUCH slower one than I proposed. Death by a thousand cuts can happen within a day, the human body, and she is part human, can go without food for at least a week, but not without the person suffering from it. By taking away her means to survive, they sentenced her to a slow and excruciatingly painful death, the only thing that stopped this death was the MC being there for her.

It doesn't matter how long they go into reeducation, if they can't learn the lesson, if they are incapable, it will never be learned and that is money wasted on attempting it. This one I agree with not being the same as enslaving, unfortunately for them meaning it is too light a punishment to a much greater degree.

Same on Fallout 4, I spend most of my time building up insane defenses at settlements because I need them to be able to fend for themselves while I go about doing other things. I have an unfortunate tendency to be out in the middle of nowhere when someone gets attacked and then I have to fast travel to that place and help defend and repair defenses. I ended up modding the attacks off and giving myself some pretty good buildings to keep all the stats high.

I could see the karen thing and it would be hilarious if she was.

Unfortunately, the world, or at least Syl'anar, already is blind to a large degree, that's how people like Cornwall got into positions of power in the first place. Rule number one about politicians, ALWAYS do extensive research to see who they really are. A large number of people, even in the real world, don't and it can have disastrous results.

If the kids come for the MC, it's self defense, they are now fair game, even if it is revenge taken for revenge received. I would sick Nia, Ashley, or Lin on them faster than they can say oops, better yet all three. I wouldn't let the kids die, they only sought revenge, but they wouldn't get off with nothing.

 

[TheDevian]

For a hunter to be hunting her, yes, but that same database they would pull from means that anyone could know what she looks like and Cornwall or the nurse are pretty much ruined if caught submitting.

Yeah, if anyone who cares sees them. Most people are not going to be thinking, 'there is that nurse who enslaved a half elf', they are just going to see two kinky women, and either be turned on or turn away.

Yes, having Maria force a free citizen of Syl'anar makes her no better than the people that forced her into slavery. When I said things were going too far, that, I believe, was directly after the Maria enslavement, when I hadn't made the realization that the nurse was enjoying it instead of just doing it because it was her job. Now I say it is not enough to force them to submit to Maria because that's not all these two did to Maria.

Yeah, I just don't see them as equal, one is punishment for a crime against humanity, the other is a crime against humanity.

They essentially took her life away. If the MC hadn't already been housing her, she would be as good as dead until she actually was dead. They took her money, so she has no way to pay for housing, food, anything she needs to survive. That's a death sentence and a MUCH slower one than I proposed. Death by a thousand cuts can happen within a day, the human body, and she is part human, can go without food for at least a week, but not without the person suffering from it. By taking away her means to survive, they sentenced her to a slow and excruciatingly painful death, the only thing that stopped this death was the MC being there for her.

That is supposed to last a lot longer, but still, that is not the way I like to do things.

It doesn't matter how long they go into reeducation, if they can't learn the lesson, if they are incapable, it will never be learned and that is money wasted on attempting it. This one I agree with not being the same as enslaving, unfortunately for them meaning it is too light a punishment to a much greater degree.

If they have no empathy. if they are true sociopaths, and while that might be true for the nurse, we don't know, I doubt Cornwall is at all, he is just slow to evolve on the issue, because his power comes from the system that is the problem, but he has been shown to be willing to find a better way.

Same on Fallout 4, I spend most of my time building up insane defenses at settlements because I need them to be able to fend for themselves while I go about doing other things. I have an unfortunate tendency to be out in the middle of nowhere when someone gets attacked and then I have to fast travel to that place and help defend and repair defenses. I ended up modding the attacks off and giving myself some pretty good buildings to keep all the stats high.

More than defense, I just like making things, like a maze, a tree city,

Unfortunately, the world, or at least Syl'anar, already is blind to a large degree, that's how people like Cornwall got into positions of power in the first place. Rule number one about politicians, ALWAYS do extensive research to see who they really are. A large number of people, even in the real world, don't and it can have disastrous results.

Depends on how you look at it, the same could could be said for anywhere that has/uses slaves, but the facts are the things are starting to improve in major ways, they are just not fast enough for most of our tastes. Odds are, that is end game stuff, so we can't rush it, and besides, just killing people is not going to win anyone over, it's just going to get you labeled a fugitive. Just look at the last 3 revolutions.

You can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.

If the kids come for the MC, it's self defense, they are now fair game, even if it is revenge taken for revenge received. I would sick Nia, Ashley, or Lin on them faster than they can say oops, better yet all three. I wouldn't let the kids die, they only sought revenge, but they wouldn't get off with nothing.

You are just going to start a war you can't win yet. They tried war, several times, it's not the right way.

 

[primerib1]

They do what is called 'crunching.' This means reducing file sizes as much as possible through changing image file types and codecs and other methods. However, things don't always go as intended with some cases being buggy and rarely buggy enough to be considered unplayable, though I haven't seen one from anyone here get that bad. The bigger the game, the more they have to do and the higher the chance of issues. This, along with not wanting visual quality to drop too far, is why Runey is not offering an Android version anymore, the game just got too big and eventually it will get too big for these methods the unofficial porters are using to make a difference.

The "crunching" part -- i.e., reduction of graphics / audio / etc. size -- I understand and I can carry out acceptably.

It's the "bundling" part -- i.e., converting from multiple files + directory structure + 3rd-party player + 3pp's plugin ==> into one nice all-in-one .apk -- that I don't understand.

 

[Lithormane]

Iirc the 2nd Kali maid event is when she 'punishes' Lin for reckless popcorning, definitely not weeks from the first but it might be linked to another event.

What other event or stats would it be linked to?
I have: Lin at Friendship 28
Kali at F13
Ashley at F41
Maria at F30
Alice at F30
Felicity & Emma complete
Autumn at F22
With most of their stats all being at or above 10 in most things

 

[freedom.call]

Kali at F13

Kali's F14 is fucking her for the first time (I assume that's the same for everyone).

 

[alex2011]

Yeah, if anyone who cares sees them. Most people are not going to be thinking, 'there is that nurse who enslaved a half elf', they are just going to see two kinky women, and either be turned on or turn away.
Yeah, I just don't see them as equal, one is punishment for a crime against humanity, the other is a crime against humanity.
That is supposed to last a lot longer, but still, that is not the way I like to do things.
If they have no empathy. if they are true sociopaths, and while that might be true for the nurse, we don't know, I doubt Cornwall is at all, he is just slow to evolve on the issue, because his power comes from the system that is the problem, but he has been shown to be willing to find a better way.
More than defense, I just like making things, like a maze, a tree city,
Depends on how you look at it, the same could could be said for anywhere that has/uses slaves, but the facts are the things are starting to improve in major ways, they are just not fast enough for most of our tastes. Odds are, that is end game stuff, so we can't rush it, and besides, just killing people is not going to win anyone over, it's just going to get you labeled a fugitive. Just look at the last 3 revolutions.

You can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.

You are just going to start a war you can't win yet. They tried war, several times, it's not the right way.

That's the thing, if the nurse and Cornwall are smart, they won't even chance that happening.

I see them as equal because both are forcing the person to do something against their will. This is another reason why my alternative is meant to be carried out by the MC unless Maria or the other elves ask to do it themselves.

How long death by a thousand cuts lasts depends on how strong a person's will to live is. If they have a weak will, they won't even reach a thousand from one elf let alone every single elf they've wronged. Death by starvation doesn't depend on how strong a person's will to live is, they will last as long as the body can keep functioning without food and it will not be pleasant for them. I typically don't like to do things this way, either, but it does come up on rare occasions where someone did something this severe.

Cornwall doesn't evolve because his power comes from those people who want him to treat the elves this way, the pro-slave majority, he won't find a better way as long as the pro-slave majority exists as it does now. I will admit the nurse is a whole new level of lower than dirt human, though.

Same, I do like the building system, I just end up using it for practical purposes, or at least I did before my copy got modded.

The purpose in this case isn't to win anyone over, the purpose is to exact revenge. The political campaign and other things from previous discussion topics are meant to win people over.

A few kids, even kids as in offspring, starting a war with the MC? As hilarious as that would be, I just don't see that happening. First of all, it would be like bringing a pistol to a tank fight. Second, they don't have the means to raise an army and I doubt they could get people on their side by themselves. It would be a handful of them vs us and some of us are capable fighters already. Like I said, just sick Lin, Ashley, and Nia on them and they won't last long. Never, and I mean NEVER piss off Lin or Ashley by endangering the MC, that's pretty much a guarantee to be hunted down to the ends of the Earth, and Nia would join us due to the opposition being against her views on slavery of her people while we support those views.

The "crunching" part -- i.e., reduction of graphics / audio / etc. size -- I understand and I can carry out acceptably.

It's the "bundling" part -- i.e., converting from multiple files + directory structure + 3rd-party player + 3pp's plugin ==> into one nice all-in-one .apk -- that I don't understand.

I'm not exactly an Android expert, only a user and not for games that are originally meant for Windows and other desktop OSes.

 

[freedom.call]

I want Jason Statham (The Mechanic, The Transporter) to play me in the upcoming war movie The Hotel Manager.

 

[DigDug69]

To defeat the armies of Cornwall and free the elves the elves must change tactics, because fighting does not work, as they have already learned.
Instead of fighting, they should unleash thousands of sex starved elves upon Cornwall's armies, and rob them of their will to fight.
Then the bot can send in the androids to take over control of the government and free the slaves.

This is a porn game, so this is most definitely a viable option.

As for what happens to Cornwall and the nurse?
Raped to death by androids with strapons.

 

[TheDevian]

That's the thing, if the nurse and Cornwall are smart, they won't even chance that happening.

First, how do you know this? Have you seen anything to show this?

Even if so, intelligence is not the only factor here, smart people do dumb shit all the time.

Autumn 'knows' it is wrong to do a lot of the stuff we are doing in the cafe. Yet, she is still willing to do it, because it turns her on to do the thing she thinks is taboo. She knows that she is going to get in trouble for it, and that it really could end badly (like her father finding out, and her getting excommunicated from her church, disowned by her family, her share of the cafe being take from her, and more), but she does it anyway, because it turns her on.

I see them as equal because both are forcing the person to do something against their will. This is another reason why my alternative is meant to be carried out by the MC unless Maria or the other elves ask to do it themselves.

So, forcing someone to wash their hands, is the same as forcing someone to cut off their hand, because both are forcing someone to do something against their will...? Really?
How is it okay for the player to force someone to do something against their will, and not okay for Maria to do it? This is pure hypocrisy.

How long death by a thousand cuts lasts depends on how strong a person's will to live is. If they have a weak will, they won't even reach a thousand from one elf let alone every single elf they've wronged. Death by starvation doesn't depend on how strong a person's will to live is, they will last as long as the body can keep functioning without food and it will not be pleasant for them. I typically don't like to do things this way, either, but it does come up on rare occasions where someone did something this severe.

No, it mostly depends on the skill of the person doing the cutting. I could make on cut that would hurt the person, but almost never kill them, no matter how many of those little nicks I make, or I could make one small cut in the right place, and they would bleed out rather quickly. The goal of this torture it to stretch it out as long as possible, if they die on the first day, you did a terrible job with your cuts.

Cornwall doesn't evolve because his power comes from those people who want him to treat the elves this way, the pro-slave majority, he won't find a better way as long as the pro-slave majority exists as it does now. I will admit the nurse is a whole new level of lower than dirt human, though.

He could retain power in other ways, and he knows this. He IS evolving on this issue though, and most of his early events show this, but it is a slow process, because it is the government, and these ides are "new" to them.

Same, I do like the building system, I just end up using it for practical purposes, or at least I did before my copy got modded.

I haven't played in years, but I stupidly let it update, and now all my mods are broken, and I can't use vats any more, so I gave up. Not like I have time to play games any more, and if I want to make something fun, I have Blender and Daz.

The purpose in this case isn't to win anyone over, the purpose is to exact revenge. The political campaign and other things from previous discussion topics are meant to win people over.

Maybe, but I prefer to give people a chance to change. Revenge is all well and good, but do it with a purpose. Killing one asshole might feel good, but it is not really going to help overall, and it's just going to get you in trouble. But convincing them that the are wrong? Now THAT makes a huge difference in the world, particularly someone who is in a position to do some good.

And it is all part of the same thing. To change the system, we have to do it one person at a time. You convert one person, and they convert someone else, who then converts another, and so on... Every step we take is progressm and even if it takes decades, that is a blink if an eye to most elves. Almost everything we do, makes people's lives better.

Just think about how that scene had played out differently, if the people before us had just convinced her to be nice...

A few kids, even kids as in offspring, starting a war with the MC? As hilarious as that would be, I just don't see that happening. First of all, it would be like bringing a pistol to a tank fight. Second, they don't have the means to raise an army and I doubt they could get people on their side by themselves. It would be a handful of them vs us and some of us are capable fighters already. Like I said, just sick Lin, Ashley, and Nia on them and they won't last long. Never, and I mean NEVER piss off Lin or Ashley by endangering the MC, that's pretty much a guarantee to be hunted down to the ends of the Earth, and Nia would join us due to the opposition being against her views on slavery of her people while we support those views.

No, being classified as a murderer, killing anyone who comes after you, attacking someone who is a high end person in the government, yeah, you are going to start a small war. Odds are though, it would end faster than any of the others though, since it wouldn't take more than one small force of police bots to take you out. Nia/Sui and Android are not enough on their own yet.
You against the cops, you lose.

The kids don't need an army, though they could have hired mercs, you don't know how well off they are, maybe they are rich, we don't know... But no, they just have to go to the cops. You murdered their mom. You would be the bad guy here, and they would have every right to come down on you like a hammer. You would have to either start that war, or go to jail.

This is a modern world, with good forensic tech, not a fantasy world where you can just kill anyone who pisses you off.

 

[alex2011]

First, how do you know this? Have you seen anything to show this?

Even if so, intelligence is not the only factor here, smart people do dumb shit all the time.

Autumn 'knows' it is wrong to do a lot of the stuff we are doing in the cafe. Yet, she is still willing to do it, because it turns her on to do the thing she thinks is taboo. She knows that she is going to get in trouble for it, and that it really could end badly (like her father finding out, and her getting excommunicated from her church, disowned by her family, her share of the cafe being take from her, and more), but she does it anyway, because it turns her on.
So, forcing someone to wash their hands, is the same as forcing someone to cut off their hand, because both are forcing someone to do something against their will...? Really?
How is it okay for the player to force someone to do something against their will, and not okay for Maria to do it? This is pure hypocrisy.
No, it mostly depends on the skill of the person doing the cutting. I could make on cut that would hurt the person, but almost never kill them, no matter how many of those little nicks I make, or I could make one small cut in the right place, and they would bleed out rather quickly. The goal of this torture it to stretch it out as long as possible, if they die on the first day, you did a terrible job with your cuts.
He could retain power in other ways, and he knows this. He IS evolving on this issue though, and most of his early events show this, but it is a slow process, because it is the government, and these ides are "new" to them.
I haven't played in years, but I stupidly let it update, and now all my mods are broken, and I can't use vats any more, so I gave up. Not like I have time to play games any more, and if I want to make something fun, I have Blender and Daz.
Maybe, but I prefer to give people a chance to change. Revenge is all well and good, but do it with a purpose. Killing one asshole might feel good, but it is not really going to help overall, and it's just going to get you in trouble. But convincing them that the are wrong? Now THAT makes a huge difference in the world, particularly someone who is in a position to do some good.

And it is all part of the same thing. To change the system, we have to do it one person at a time. You convert one person, and they convert someone else, who then converts another, and so on... Every step we take is progressm and even if it takes decades, that is a blink if an eye to most elves. Almost everything we do, makes people's lives better.

Just think about how that scene had played out differently, if the people before us had just convinced her to be nice...

No, being classified as a murderer, killing anyone who comes after you, attacking someone who is a high end person in the government, yeah, you are going to start a small war. Odds are though, it would end faster than any of the others though, since it wouldn't take more than one small force of police bots to take you out. Nia/Sui and Android are not enough on their own yet.
You against the cops, you lose.

The kids don't need an army, though they could have hired mercs, you don't know how well off they are, maybe they are rich, we don't know... But no, they just have to go to the cops. You murdered their mom. You would be the bad guy here, and they would have every right to come down on you like a hammer. You would have to either start that war, or go to jail.

This is a modern world, with good forensic tech, not a fantasy world where you can just kill anyone who pisses you off.

I don't, but I can make an educated guess that they aren't stupid enough to risk such a thing. It could mean the end of Cornwall's career and potentially running both of them out of town, literally with torches and pitchforks.

No, forcing someone to wash their hands is for their own good, the same cannot be said of either of the things mentioned otherwise. It isn't the player's will I am talking about, it's the nurse's and Cornwall's will. Forcing them to submit would make Maria no better than them. I never said it wasn't okay to make Maria force them, what I said was that she shouldn't have to, but should be allowed the option if she asks to. This is meant to keep her from dirtying her own hands, the MC is meant to sacrifice his own in this case, figuratively speaking.

That is a factor, yes, as the person doing it, if skilled enough, can keep their victim alive for a significant length. However, my point was more to do with the uncontrollable nature the death sentence forced onto Maria would have had the MC not already been there for her. Nobody can survive starvation on willpower alone and no third party can stop it without feeding the victim, which negates the issue. Maria would have ended up starving to death, a very slow and unpleasant process, on the streets of Syl'anar had she had her assets seized without his help.

In a democratic system, assuming this is a democracy or republic, if the people want a politician out, that politician is out, nothing short of changing the system can stop that and that means potential civil war, a much worse scenario.

And if these two cannot be convinced, it is effort wasted that could have been used helping elves or making changes elsewhere. Not to mention not everyone would be satisfied with siimply convincing them, some will be looking for punishment without alternatives. I can see what you mean, but we're talking another factor that could lead to civil war if enough people won't just accept this method. Some of them may not accept anything less than death for what has been done. The sheer volume of elven lives ruined by these two humans may not allow for it in some elven eyes. Elves are typically not a warmongering people in most fiction, but that doesn't make them entirely opposed to violence.

Being classified as a murderer can only happen to the person who does it and only if that can be proven. Anyone who comes after the MC needs only to act violently, then there is no more murder protection on them, they struck out violently and were met with violence in return in the defense of the person they struck out at, either by one of the girls or the MC himself, and I can pretty much guarantee Lin and Ashley WILL meet violence with violence if the first is aimed at the MC, they would be out for blood at that point and I'm not even sure the MC could stop them at that point.

The kids themselves, hired mercs, doesn't matter who. We already have capable fighters willing to defend the MC if not relentlessly hunt down anyone stupid enough to try and hurt him. The kds can only go to the cops and expect to get a response if they have evidence, there would have to be something that legitimizes their claim as not being fake so that an investigation can begin.

It is a modern world, but even modern worlds have ways to hide. In fact, the fact that it is a modern world makes the self defense part even more plausible since it isn't a 'kill anyone that gets in your way' kind of world.