VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[TheDevian]

Umm, what?

There are basically no laws in international waters, but we would still say that murder is a crime, no?

 

[freedom.call]

There are basically no laws in international waters, but we would still say that murder is a crime, no?

Not quite, you're subject to the laws of your country or your victim's country. Or whichever country flag your ship is sailing, or all of the above.

So it's true there are no specific laws of the high seas but you can't just kill everyone on the cruise ship and sail on happy ever after.

 

[Harem Trooper]

I kinda stuck with Ellen. Where is Ellens room ?

 

[Tavi13]

I kinda stuck with Ellen. Where is Ellens room ?

The door behind the reception desk; click on the desk when she isn't there.

 

[Harem Trooper]

The door behind the reception desk; click on the desk when she isn't there.

But she is always there. I play with the Lain mod and it says I should visit her room at evening. Still, she stays there. I even upgraded the dungeon and she stills stays there.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

But she is always there. I play with the Lain mod and it says I should visit her room at evening. Still, she stays there. I even upgraded the dungeon and she stills stays there.

Have you added the 2nd floor yet? There are some things regarding that which might help.

 

[Tavi13]

But she is always there. I play with the Lain mod and it says I should visit her room at evening. Still, she stays there. I even upgraded the dungeon and she stills stays there.

Hmmm....she should be gone in the evening. Either it is an issue with the mod, you have other stuff to do before you can visit, or there is an issue with your download/save.
If it is a mod issue I can't help you, I tend not to use mods if I can help it. Try progressing others stories for a day or two, then revisit her.
If she never leaves the lobby, I am leaning towards a dl/save issue though. I am almost positive that she is gone from the lobby in the evenings, even before you can do her story arc.

Sorry I can't be more help.

 

[Harem Trooper]

Have you added the 2nd floor yet? There are some things regarding that which might help.

mh, second floor you say ? Gonna try it out.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

mh, second floor you say ? Gonna try it out.

Let's just say that you'll finally find out what Ellen has been hiding behind that door.

 

[Harem Trooper]

It turns out I needed the second floor first. Thanks guys !

 

[TheDevian]

Not quite, you're subject to the laws of your country or your victim's country. Or whichever country flag your ship is sailing, or all of the above.

So it's true there are no specific laws of the high seas but you can't just kill everyone on the cruise ship and sail on happy ever after.

Yeah, but there is a reason a ton of crime happens out there. You can quite easily dump a body.

The point is, that there are places where certain laws don't apply, but we would still consider those actions to be a crime due to our moral compass, and there are laws in places that we might consider immoral or even criminal.

 

[freedom.call]

Yeah, but there is a reason a ton of crime happens out there. You can quite easily dump a body.

The point is, that there are places where certain laws don't apply, but we would still consider those actions to be a crime due to our moral compass, and there are laws in places that we might consider immoral or even criminal.

Well, you can get away with it anywhere tbh. I consider murder a crime no matter where it is, whether someone gets away with it or not. Even where weird laws apply murder is generally frowned upon.

I'm definitely staying away from the sea.

 

[Harem Trooper]

Damn, I maxed the content of Ellen. I know its just 0.13 right now but do we know if more content of her are planned ?

 

[TheDevian]

Well, you can get away with it anywhere tbh. I consider murder a crime no matter where it is, whether someone gets away with it or not. Even where weird laws apply murder is generally frowned upon.

That is my point, while something might not be illegal somewhere, like some dictator abusing their people, we still consider it a crime against humanity or whatever you want to call it, because we find it morally reprehensible.

Damn, I maxed the content of Ellen. I know its just 0.13 right now but do we know if more content of her are planned ?

Not sure about this next update per say, but I am sure she will get more content in the future. She is just not a main character, so is not a primary focus.

 

[alex2011]

is there currently anyway to get this uncompressed? I'm sat on a 200MB connection and have 4 TB of disk space free, and I'm genuinely curious to see the game uncompressed.

heck, I've sat through some crazy/silly downloads for small improvements (looking at you 90GB FFXIII FMV mod) so even if it was torrented I'd be down for it

Not currently, but there is an atom sized chance we might be able to convince Runey to allow it.

Yup, though there can be levels of both.
Yeah, but the odds are so low, you might as well not consider it. Just like if you jump off a skyscraper, there is a chance you might not die, but odds are not in your favor.
Yeah, but he is not there for murder, he was exerting freedom of the press. Not quite the same thing.
Making someone do what they were doing to others seems like justice to me. I am tired of saying this, pushing someone for committing atrocities is not the same things as committing atrocities. By your logic, having jails is the same things as death camps, it's pretty out there.
It doesn't matter what you tell them. If the person you loved told you to let someone kill them, would you listen to them, or would your instincts kick in, and you do something to try to stop it, even if it kills you?
You are the one who forced that choice. If you had not gone on a killing spree, they would not be in that position, and they would never have been forced to do that. You forced their hand, because you know what they are going to do, and you know nothing you say is going to stop it. You know this, and you still made that choice. That is 100% on you.
Exactly, but we have our standards of morality, which at least to us, are higher than laws by any government. We all have laws that we consider just and unjust.
Yup, but most governments tend to work together, and the one that doesn't, is not overly friendly...
Yes, yes he can, because if not for him making a stupid choice, they would not have had to make that choice, and they would not have had to get killed because you got them into a no win situation.

As the leader, you are always responsible for what happens under your command, and you have to think about every end result. This again, started with you proudly saying how they would jump in to defend you against the cops and military. You can't then say it's not your fault. Everything you do has consequences, and it is on you what your people do because of your choices. Butterfly effect and all that.

It's one thing if we are talking about something 30 steps down the chain, but we are talking about direct results of your actions. This is the same defense of a mafia boss who says, 'I didn't tell them to kill the guy, I just said I wouldn't be upset if he had an accident. It's not my fault. I didn't tell them to do it.'
It's not the government's fault that you chose attempted murder as your M.O. That is all on you.
Demolishing a building, is not going to cause much collateral damage, we are not close to other buildings, this isn't downtown.
You chose to lead your followers into a no win situation, they are not the ones making that choice, you are. You are the leader, telling them not to try to help the love of their life is like telling them not to breathe. You know damn well they are not going to follow that order, and you are proud of that fact when you started that line of discussion. It is all you, and always will be, no matter how you try to rationalize it. Everything that happens because of what you do, is your fault. They are just defending themselves and their loved ones from the hell that your brought to their door. They can't run, they can't get away, they have no choice. If you die, and they are lucky, they get put back in the system to find a master who might even be worse.
The resistance isn't going anywhere, it's just you. The rest of the resistance is not going to support your hotheaded bullshit, you are just going to make things worse, not help anyone. This is about revenge, not about saving the elves. If you cared about the elves, you would be doing what is going to actually help, and not just killing people who piss you off.
Almost every government has a similar group, or several. The US has quite a few. If they didn't have one, they would not have made it this far.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight, mr super ninja is going to sneak passed secret service, like a ghost, and then sneak out with a government official while the guards are right there. Dude, what the hell kind of movies are you watching? Even using the fairies, you are not going to make it, they can't keep you invis that long, if at all at your size, never mind two people, they don't have the crystals, and even if they did, the government has infravision. They can see you anyway. There is less than no way you could pull this off with what we have to work with now, and even if you did, that would just make it worse, not better. You are not going to escape from the government if you go after Cornwall, and killing one nurse is not going to help anyone in the big picture.

You can't strike after the room is clear, because you can't get in there, it's guarded. They check it before he goes in, and stand guard while he is in there, until he is done. They are not going to leave you a way in. What do you think you can do?

There is no way you can do this, that is not a suicide mission. They are not going to let you get out of the country, and even if you manage, they will send people after you. Violence is not the answer, besides, it's like a hydra, take one head out, and another will take it's place. That is why I keep saying, we need a ground up campaign, there is no quick solution. You can't just kill one guy and fix the problem, especially one of the ones who is helping. Most would assume it is his pro elf rights stance that got him killed anyway. He is far more in favor of it than most in his position. It would still be legal to rape and abuse elves worse if not for him.


I doubt anyone has room to host it anywhere.

Depends on the person being the sub, those who are typically dominant, I could definitely see the nurse fitting that description, may not enjoy being the one dominated.

I can agree the odds are not good, but the odds of successful revenge never are when that revenge goes against the system.

That was a general example of diplomatic asylum, I just didn't want to search for some real life case of a murderer somehow getting diplomatic asylum when I had a perfectly good example of the term in use even if it wasn't granted to a murderer in that case.

No, jails and death camps are not the same. What the MC would be doing is punishing someone who committed and/or enabled an atrocity.

That's correct, they are going to defend the MC no matter what is said unless they are physically unable. There are three ways that can happen, they get tied up out of the way to prevent them from moving, the MC or another girl disables them through injury so that they cannot move to do what they would do, or the MC or another girl kills them so they cannot move to do what they would do. Those last two things I REALLY don't want to happen nor would I be okay with tying an innocent person up outside of sex play. There is absolutely no scenario where the hotel gets raided with all inhabitants still inside and the girls do not move to defend the MC, the only way to avoid it would be to get out before the raid. The girls are too deep in affection to not move in the MC's defense at this point, especially Lin and Ashley. You're right, it would absolutely be instinct, the MC is not their instincts, he is only the target of that specific instinct. The MC did not force the choice, the girls' instincts did. There is no killing spree, those get taken down A LOT faster, this is just two people albeit one of them being important. By the same logic of the next part, if Syl'anar hadn't established slavery, the girls would never have had to defend the MC. it is 100% on Syl'anar.

And the laws of Syl'anar would be unjust.

Not all of them, though. Some governments even refuse to spite the other.

If not for Syl'anar making a stupid choice, none of this would happen. Cornwall and the nurse would not do things to the elves, or Maria, and everyone would be fine. That's not what happened, though.

The Syl'anar government forced the MC's hand, it didn't have to be this way, but they did something that could have gotten Maria killed in a much worse way than anything suggested.

Using a tank isn't simple demolition, if that shell misses or goes through the hotel, because shells typically do when going through an unarmored target, it is going to fly quite a ways before it then explodes. Both the impact and the explosion resulting in the collateral damage. It doesn't have to be downtown to risk innocent lives, there could be a population surrounding the hotel even outside of a downtown area.

Syl'anar chose to force the MC and the harem into a no win scenario. The MC is simply making the choice available to him, given to him by Syl'anar themselves. Nobody had to get hurt, but Maria very easily could have by Syl'anar's decision to strip her of her assets.

The MC and his harem ARE the resistance, the girls would follow him anywhere, including to set up a new base to fight from. Recruiting can be done after that to bolster resistance forces. This would help the elves by freeing them through the use of force. It isn't as peaceful or eloquent as the political route, but it gets the job done even if it does cost resistance and pro-slave lives.

I'm aware of that in the real world, I actually did a bit of research out of curiosity just to see how expansive the intelligence community is. What I am not aware of is this being the case in Syl'anar.

Like I said, waiting until tech that can emulate the powers of the fairies is an option and this would be more efficient and capable than the actual fairies. Also, air vents and windows are a thing and there's no way they are going as far as checking the air vents. Then there's the prospect of starting a war if they even try to go after the MC in a different area not already administrated by Syl'anar.

As for hosting the game uncompressed, there is the torrent option.

Not quite, you're subject to the laws of your country or your victim's country. Or whichever country flag your ship is sailing, or all of the above.

So it's true there are no specific laws of the high seas but you can't just kill everyone on the cruise ship and sail on happy ever after.

Yeah, but there is a reason a ton of crime happens out there. You can quite easily dump a body.

The point is, that there are places where certain laws don't apply, but we would still consider those actions to be a crime due to our moral compass, and there are laws in places that we might consider immoral or even criminal.

Or international law, which can be worse to be subject to at times.

Well, you can get away with it anywhere tbh. I consider murder a crime no matter where it is, whether someone gets away with it or not. Even where weird laws apply murder is generally frowned upon.

I'm definitely staying away from the sea.

Indeed, murder doesn't change based on where you are or why you do it, it is still murder and ALL countries consider it a crime not to mention the international community itself as a combined body.

That is my point, while something might not be illegal somewhere, like some dictator abusing their people, we still consider it a crime against humanity or whatever you want to call it, because we find it morally reprehensible.

Not sure about this next update per say, but I am sure she will get more content in the future. She is just not a main character, so is not a primary focus.

Exactly, including slavery and the processes that go with it, including stripping a slave of their assets so that, if they somehow manage to escape going to a master, they starve to death.

I have no doubt Ellen will get more with how early we are in development.

 

[TheDevian]

Depends on the person being the sub, those who are typically dominant, I could definitely see the nurse fitting that description, may not enjoy being the one dominated.

It's hard to say, many people hide their kinks really well, and usually the most controlling in public, like to be controlled in private.

I can agree the odds are not good, but the odds of successful revenge never are when that revenge goes against the system.

I prefer to try plans that have a good chance to work, not ones that are doomed to failure.

That was a general example of diplomatic asylum, I just didn't want to search for some real life case of a murderer somehow getting diplomatic asylum when I had a perfectly good example of the term in use even if it wasn't granted to a murderer in that case.

If you kill someone like Cornwall, the odds of getting asylum are almost nonexistent. The only country that would be happy about that, would be ...maaaaybe the high elf queen, and she isn't your biggest fan atm, and is not likely to grant asylum if it means that people would be hunting for you. It's not like her saying they can't come in would do anything.

No, jails and death camps are not the same. What the MC would be doing is punishing someone who committed and/or enabled an atrocity.

Yes, punishing, sure, but you are talking about killing. For a punishment to be effective, they have to learn from it. Can't learn anything if you are dead.

That's correct, they are going to defend the MC no matter what is said unless they are physically unable. There are three ways that can happen, they get tied up out of the way to prevent them from moving, the MC or another girl disables them through injury so that they cannot move to do what they would do, or the MC or another girl kills them so they cannot move to do what they would do. Those last two things I REALLY don't want to happen nor would I be okay with tying an innocent person up outside of sex play. There is absolutely no scenario where the hotel gets raided with all inhabitants still inside and the girls do not move to defend the MC, the only way to avoid it would be to get out before the raid. The girls are too deep in affection to not move in the MC's defense at this point, especially Lin and Ashley. You're right, it would absolutely be instinct, the MC is not their instincts, he is only the target of that specific instinct. The MC did not force the choice, the girls' instincts did. There is no killing spree, those get taken down A LOT faster, this is just two people albeit one of them being important. By the same logic of the next part, if Syl'anar hadn't established slavery, the girls would never have had to defend the MC. it is 100% on Syl'anar.

That is exactly what would happen though, if you try this.
Exactly, so if you bring that down on them, it is all your fault, not theirs for defending you.

And the laws of Syl'anar would be unjust.

So is murder.

Not all of them, though. Some governments even refuse to spite the other.

Yup, but not many will support a murder. You would need a good reason, revenge is not good enough.

If not for Syl'anar making a stupid choice, none of this would happen. Cornwall and the nurse would not do things to the elves, or Maria, and everyone would be fine. That's not what happened, though.

But that is not the system we are in. We can try to change the system, or we can be idiots and try to kill people.

The Syl'anar government forced the MC's hand, it didn't have to be this way, but they did something that could have gotten Maria killed in a much worse way than anything suggested.

No, no one forced anything. Maria didn't get killed, she is there, safe and sound. Nothing happened that can't be fixed. The only excuse for murder is self defense, and this is not that by any definition.

Using a tank isn't simple demolition, if that shell misses or goes through the hotel, because shells typically do when going through an unarmored target, it is going to fly quite a ways before it then explodes. Both the impact and the explosion resulting in the collateral damage. It doesn't have to be downtown to risk innocent lives, there could be a population surrounding the hotel even outside of a downtown area.

So what?
A) they are not close to another building. and
B) That happens all the time. One case here, the cops broke into a woman's apartment, without knocking, and shot her in bed, while she was sleeping. They got into more trouble for missing, and one shot going into a neighbor's apartment, than for killing an innocent woman.

Syl'anar chose to force the MC and the harem into a no win scenario. The MC is simply making the choice available to him, given to him by Syl'anar themselves. Nobody had to get hurt, but Maria very easily could have by Syl'anar's decision to strip her of her assets.

No, there are thousands of ways to win, you are choosing to go the worst possible route, because you are butt hurt over Maria's last event.

The MC and his harem ARE the resistance, the girls would follow him anywhere, including to set up a new base to fight from. Recruiting can be done after that to bolster resistance forces. This would help the elves by freeing them through the use of force. It isn't as peaceful or eloquent as the political route, but it gets the job done even if it does cost resistance and pro-slave lives.

No, you are a small part of it. The MC is just the enabler, Lin is the one leading this thing, not the player.

I'm aware of that in the real world, I actually did a bit of research out of curiosity just to see how expansive the intelligence community is. What I am not aware of is this being the case in Syl'anar.

It is the case in every industrialized nation. They would not have survived this long if they did not.

Like I said, waiting until tech that can emulate the powers of the fairies is an option and this would be more efficient and capable than the actual fairies. Also, air vents and windows are a thing and there's no way they are going as far as checking the air vents. Then there's the prospect of starting a war if they even try to go after the MC in a different area not already administrated by Syl'anar.

Most air vents are not large enough for people to crawl through, no matter what movies want you to think. Any place that has real security, like a somewhere their leaders live and work, are not going to be some place you can just sneak into. No matter how many movies you watch.
Yeah, that is good, keep waiting, maybe you will calm down by then. lol

Indeed, murder doesn't change based on where you are or why you do it, it is still murder and ALL countries consider it a crime not to mention the international community itself as a combined body.

And yet, in some countries, they either don't have laws about it, or their leaders kill whoever they want without care.

Exactly, including slavery and the processes that go with it, including stripping a slave of their assets so that, if they somehow manage to escape going to a master, they starve to death.

Yup, but killing off the people who are making it better, is not the way to end that.

 

[freedom.call]

That is my point, while something might not be illegal somewhere, like some dictator abusing their people, we still consider it a crime against humanity or whatever you want to call it, because we find it morally reprehensible.

I don't really know what we're discussing, or why. For me a criminal act/deed is the same, regardless of law. Most of what we call crimes are illegal everywhere, punishment or lack thereof varies of course.

Dictators generally make their own 'laws' and they're not welcome in my house!

My summary of the very long debate is....slavery bad, bondage not so bad.

 

[Tavi13]

I don't really know what we're discussing, or why. For me a criminal act/deed is the same, regardless of law. Most of what we call crimes are illegal everywhere, punishment or lack thereof varies of course.

It is only a criminal act if there is evidence of a crime. Otherwise it is just another missing person file that may, or may not, be due to the actions of someone with questionable morals

 

[freedom.call]

It is only a criminal act if there is evidence of a crime. Otherwise it is just another missing person file that may, or may not, be due to the actions of someone with questionable morals

I have to disagree, whatever the law says is a criminal act is a criminal act.

 

[DigDug69]

I have to disagree, whatever the law says is a criminal act is a criminal act.

Unless you are rich enough to hire a dream team of lawyers that can get you out of legal trouble.