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Reminds me of an old game of Vampire the Masquerade, had a team of 8 partnered lawyers on permanent retainer. ...Was handy. Pretty much funded their whole law firm.
Mmmmmmmm.... Bondage.
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That is true, especially ones with a...less accepted kink like me. No, nothing to do with this, the kind that would get me labeled in real life even if my variant is only directed at fake characters. Again true on the second part, I have seen this portrayed in fiction, but have yet to see it in real life, though I have heard it.
Unfortunately, plans that have a good chance work in this kind of situation are in short supply, that's why I tend to go for plans that will at least take opposing players off the board. However, even this revenge thing is not a plan I would normally consider, Cornwall and the nurse didn't just push the MC's buttons in the wrong way, they pushed mine. One of the biggest features I like to stress about this game and Lessons in Love, and probably the absolute biggest compliment I can give both Selebus and Runey, are that they both got through to me on a very deep level even when I was trying to block out any emotional connection with the logic that it is just a game. First Lessons in Love managed to bust right through that barrier, then came Harem Hotel. When Maria's assets got stripped away and I saw the look on her face staring at her computer screen, I freaking lost it, it took everything I had to not actually yell obscenities at Cornwall for it.
Assuming word gets out, yes, but the plan is to get out and seek asylum or a place without an extradition treaty before that happens. Even if word gets out before a place like that is found, I do have a contingency to stay mobile so that the MC cannot be found so easily. In that case, and this is the absolute worst case scenario where the MC is on the run, the elves once again have Syl'anar to thank for screwing them over. I hadn't even considered going to the High Elves, maybe getting rid of Cornwall, being such a huge step, would turn the situation with her around. She doesn't like him, so someone getting rid of him would be of benefit to her, the MC would be doing her a favor. As for what happens if she says they cannot enter, they being Syl'anar forces, if a ruler says you can't come in and you do it anyway, it's war. I don't think Syl'anar is stupid enough to risk war with the freaking High Elves, that would be one hell of a mistake.
Death serves as a punishment in some countries and my favorite example, the Nuremberg trials, used death pretty often. It is a punishment used for people deemed unable to learn the lesson that a lesser punishment would teach. The way I see it, these two are some of the least capable of learning the lesson we want to teach of all of the pro-slave population. Seeing it this way is not exclusive to this scenario, either. I took into consideration the nurse's apparent enjoyment of enslaving Maria as well as Cornwall's not having done anything since the reforms to further improve the situation, granted his hands are tied unless he wants to sacrifice his office while the nurse's are not.
Except the MC tells them in multiple scenarios to stand down and give in peacefully and even intends to do it himself. No fight is intended, but the girls move anyway as if he was to be harmed when all he is doing is giving in. Therefore, the only scenario where they don't defend him is one where they all get out before the hotel is raided.
So is slavery, and essentially sentencing a girl to starve to death.
That is, if they find out before we are granted protections.
Unfortunately, that is the system they are in.
Could have gotten, meaning it was avoided. She's only safe because she was in the MC's care when it happened. Had Maria been alone at the time, I have zero doubt she would have starved.
They got in more trouble internally from their bosses, I'm talking about the public outrage. Going with the same thing, cop cases I mean, the public doesn't take too kindly to innocent people being killed, hence the movements that formed.
One of those ways is to eliminate all pro-slave opposition...by force or otherwise. I'm perfectly fine with that idea as well, like I said, I was holding back when I limited it to Cornwall and that nurse.
She is and she is a member of the harem. Where the harem goes, the resistance goes, and where the MC goes, the harem goes. She'd literally follow him into hell itself and the resistance would follow her, being its leading figure.
That is true of the real world, we don't know if it is in Syl'anar.
My rage is eternal at these levels, there is no calming down until justice is served, even if it is vigilante justice instead of real justice and even if I would have to wait decades of real time for the day when we see whatever resolution Runey decides for the perpetrators of these crimes against the Elven race.
Those are typically totalitarian countries that do that and the second part plays into the first. If they had laws about it, dear leader couldn't just kill anyone they want because then they would have to be held to the same standard set in the law as the people.
The MC wouldn't be killing off anyone making it better, he would have to kill resistance members to do that. Cornwall did one thing that made any, and only very slight, improvement and only to keep his office, the nurse did literally nothing to make the situation better and she was shown apparently actively enjoying an act that perpetuates the situation as it is. I can at least give Cornwall minor credit for the reforms, but the nurse has literally nothing to credit her on in her defense.
For good story, there aren't many due to how porn games usually just focus on the sex part. However, there is Lessons in Love, big warning that it does fall into the Denpa genre of horror games, but if you've played Doki Doki Literature Club and like that, you might like Lessons in Love.
This is compressed, uncompressed would be around 70 to 80 GB.
The more repressed someone is... We see it all the time. (More so when you work in the industry).
I spent weeks detailing a lot of them the last conversation we had about this.
Maybe I am unique here, but I have been expecting that event forever, so it didn't surprise me at all, only the level of hate from the cuntrag caught me a bit off guard, and I knew there was no way we would let her get away. Hell, if he had not acted like a rage addict when it happened, he could have just asked Cornwall's people to find her for him, and saved all the stress. But no, he had to act like a fucking moron and rage out on the two people who could have helped him.
Yeah, but you can't just sneak out of a country, once you start knocking off heads of state. Not without a lot of backing. You are not going to have an easy time hiding with a dozen or more people. Especially with their version of the FBI on your ass. You would already need a deal with one of those governments, and it is unlikely that one of them would be willing to go to war to help some kid and his girlfriends, who tried to assassinate officials.
Yes, but it is less of a deterrent than almost any other reasonable punishment. Death is a quick and easy out, especially if you believe in an afterlife. There have been many studies on this, the death penalty is a bad thing all the way around, and it is all about revenge, not justice.
Well, again, this was you who said they would defend you, while you are defiantly resisting. You are not going to get away after trying to kill a head of state. I have seen your plans, they are not that good. lol
Yes, and the later is illegal now, thanks to Cornwall.
They will find out, before you get even close to him. The MC is no spy/assassin, and his skills lie in other areas.
Yes, but she is. There is no excuse to kill or torture anyone.
HAhahahahah... They don't give a shit, they get mad, sometimes, for a few days, then something else happen, they forget about it, and everything goes back to normal. If they cared, those cops would not get to keep their jobs. Even the rare occasions when they do get fired, they just go to another precinct, because their files are locked, and no one can see them, so they can just pretend it never happened. There is a reason you can't get accurate statistics on police shootings.
Yeah, one small team can't take out every pro slavery person in the country, it's been tried with far larger armies than yours. Several times. You would be lucky to get the nurse, beyond that, this plan just gets more and more untenable.
Why would you force that though? There are so many better ways to go, that let you stay put, and not change the name of the game. lol
Yeah, assuming I am replying to the right thing any more, it is the only way a country can survive. No one can have a functioning government in an industrial nation, and not have an intelligence agency. Intelligence is an crucial element of any functioning government.
Your rage is misplaced, and you are taking it out in the worst possible way. Being a fool is not going to save anyone. It's just going to get you and the girls in trouble.
Some don't have those laws, hell, some barely have laws at all, or they do and their leaders don't care about them, because no one can do anything to them.
He did many things, and is working on doing more. He granted them many rights, it is a trial run, a test, if it goes well, then they will expand. He is doing this, not to keep his job, but at the risk of his job, because he is going against what is considered 'normal'. He is doing this because people like K-dad and Autumn's dad are convincing him to try another way, not because the population wants it, and that goes even further if you do well in the contest, you showed him there can be another way, and he starts thinking about that.
Going to kill every Karen then?
I may just have not noticed, I tend to keep focused on what I'm doing.
I took those into account, they just don't go far enough in this specific case. They do fine for reeducation and bettering the situation for the elves to where it needs to end up, but there is a major flaw with those plans. They, the perpetrators, get treated as if nothing happened caused by them. Teaching a lesson is fine for those who just stood there and did nothing and those plans do that very well, not to mention reaching a wider audience, but they don't punish for misdeeds of the past that were apparently fully intentional. What has already been done cannot be forgiven and must have some form of punishment equivalent to the offense committed. A mistake, an accident, would be one thing, but this was done intentionally on multiple levels.
No need to sneak, just get out as normal before Syl'anar starts treating it less as a missing person who might still be alive and more as a person who was kidnapped and murdered out of revenge. Actually, sneaking out of the country when the alarm hasn't yet been raised will do the opposite, drawing more attention to the MC and the harem. As far as war, actually, they probably would if Syl'anar trespassed. Even if not to actively defend the MC and his harem, to retaliate against what they could call an invasion. That could then serve as further distraction for the MC and his harem to slip further into the shadows elsewhere while Syl'anar has their hands full with the war they just instigated.
Some people don't see it that way, which is what I usually get when arguing against death for a real life convict whose crimes deserve worse. This is why it serves as a better ultimate punishment in vigilante justice than in true justice. True justice is meant to reform the convict or to punish them. vigilante justice is entirely revenge based and the ultimate way to get revenge is to strip everything away.
No, it is them who decided to defend the MC when he was giving himself up, resulting in their deaths. It is Syl'anar who decided to raid and even cause that instinct to trigger in the first place. Remember what I said in the first sentence " Except the MC tells them in multiple scenarios to stand down and give in peacefully and even intends to do it himself." The only resistance would be from the girls, not even the MC is fighting, they just move without thinking, perceiving danger to the MC, which gets them killed. As long as there is a raid occurring, the girls are guaranteed to die, even if the MC lays down his weapons and surrenders the second the door is busted down. This is why the only solution is to get out while the alarm isn't raised, which I admit won't be long even with the gap between Cornwall or the nurse being missed and the first missing person report.
Illegal and still very much a threat, starvation won't stop because Cornwall told it to. They took away the assets that would have enabled her to keep starvation from happening, there is no other path now in a scenario where she didn't have the MC to rely on. Even if unintended, it was still Syl'anar's fault that she had no means to keep starvation from happening in a scenario where she did not have the MC or a master.
The MC is not, but there are capable combatants in his harem who, while not specifically assassins, could pull sneak attacks. Unlike using guerilla tactics in response to a raid on the hotel, one man should not be a problem to get rid of from the shadows and then disappear, whether that means kill on the spot or kidnap, though I admit the latter would be more difficult considering all the noise from the man himself.
Only because the MC was there, stripping a person of their means to feed themselves is one of the worst death sentences one could impose.
Yeah, and in those few days more people lose lives or positions of power, the latter being more frightening to a politician, obviously. It happened in the US not that long ago.
I admit it would be difficult considering we are talking the majority of Syl'anar citizens here.
The name of the game hasn't changed, only the methods by which the resistance plays. As for why, to eliminate threats.
The US survived 87 of its 245 years without even a single intelligence service and none of that time had issues resulting from that absence. The first US intelligence service was formed by the Union in 1863, the Bureau of Military Information.
You misunderstood my intention, the whole death thing has no connection to my intent to free the elves by any means necessary, it is entirely revenge for a single person. I do intend to free the elves, but how will have to change in this kind of scenario.
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He did one thing, the reforms, and has shown signs of not even desiring to work on further things, such as that little contest the MC practically had to coerce Lin into, still feel so wrong doing that. The rest is an excuse from him to keep people from threatening his position. At the risk of losing his position and to keep it are the same thing. He did it because he risked his job by not doing it, which means he did it to keep his job. This is just typical politician tactics, say one thing, do another while appearing to care to keep your job.
No, at least karens don't commit or enable, in this case the latter, crimes against humanity/the elven race.
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I'm a believer in the concept that the punishment must fit the crime.
With that said, I think that every single elf that was enslaved should be allowed to kick the people who were responsible for keeping them enslaved, where it hurts the most, one at a time until every single elf has had their chance.
After the elves have all been issued boots, of course.
The bots can then treat their injuries by rubbing liquid heat into the injured area.
With that said, I think that every single elf that was enslaved should be allowed to kick the people who were responsible for keeping them enslaved, where it hurts the most, one at a time until every single elf has had their chance.
After the elves have all been issued boots, of course.
The bots can then treat their injuries by rubbing liquid heat into the injured area.
Well, most of those plans also include methods for taking over the government, and it is hard to punish an entire nation for something that was legal at the time. We can bust anyone braking the laws at that point, and we can start changing the laws, and bust anyone who breaks them then.
You won't get that far, you only have that kind of time when we are talking about a nobody, like the nurse, and giving up everything so you can take some misguided revenge on one rando, is dumb. You won't do anyone any good that way. Someone else will just take her place. Will that person be better? Maybe, but they also might be worse.
Going after Cornwall, is not only misguided, but also a suicide mission. Even if you do manage you get him, and the odds of that are lower than anything surviving a volcano swim, they are not going to wait to start going after him, they will be on you in moments. We are not talking abut cops, this would be the equivalent of the secret service, and they don't have to do anything other than protect their charge, and they will risk almost anything to do that.
Again, studies show, that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. People are more worried that they might get life in jail than killed. Especially if they believe in an after life, you are "helping them reach paradise".
You never said you were going to give yourself up, you said you were going to make the girls fight for you, and then you said you would tell them to run, and then you said this, no matter what you say or do, you getting them into a position where they have to defend you, is your fault, not theirs. It doesn't matter what you say, or what you do, this would be 100% your fault, because you are the one who brought this down on everyone's head. Not to mention, they arrest you, Lin and the other slaves are going to go back into the system.
Yes, anyone who does that, is a criminal, and even the elf can report them, unless they are criminals, and in that case, it doesn't matter what they laws are, they are going to break them anyway.
Who the hell are you talking about? No one is starving anyone.
Two. You have two people who are capable fighters. The government has many thousands. Secret service, special forces, military robots, tanks, bombs, helicopters, and more.
You have one android and an elf who can fight.
WHAT?!?! Where? When? WTF are you talking about here? At no point does the MC starve anyone.
No, people don't lose their jobs over these for long, they are right back at work soon after. Maybe in a new precinct, but it barely affects them at all.
"Difficult" doesn't even begin to describe it.
If you don't have a hotel, it can't be Harem Hotel. It would be more like Refugee Harem. Graveyard Harem.
Yeah, before they were industrialized, before the world was able to easily send people all over the world. Even before there were official agencies, there were people doing those jobs. You can't run anything without intelligence. Nations had spies since there were governments.
I know, it is all about revenge.
He has many many reforms, and will make more. Other powerful people are working to convince him, as well as winning the contest.
The people who are threatening his position are not the anti-slavery people, it is the ones who think he is going too far. The people who threaten him wanted it to stay the same, not change, and he is changing things. He is risking his job by making these reforms, that most people in the country do not want.
In Syl'anar they do, or at least that one nurse did. lol
Actually, in the real world, they do too.
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Is all this happening in your games? If it is I have to start over.
This is all fantasy, I posted a meme, and it started a discussion that got out of hand. A big "What If..." thought experiment.Is all this happening in your games? If it is I have to start over.
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That's a relief, carry on. All my elves are accounted for and tucked in for the night.
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I think that you typoed and meant this.That's a relief, carry on. All my elves are accounted for and tucked in for the night.
" That's a relief, carry on. All my elves are accounted for and fucked in for the night.
"Just out of curiosity, how long does it usually take from first beta release to public release?
That's part of why the focus is on only two individuals, another part being the obvious, their direct and/or indirect involvement in the Maria incident and aftermath. The thing is, even if we change the laws, we still can't technically punish people who did it when it was legal because those are usually just ignored by the new law, only enforcing against cases after implementation.
There would literally have to be someone watching the MC do it from outside the harem, other than the elves who wouldn't report it because Cornwall, to report it immediately. Otherwise it will take at least until the next day to figure out he didn't just go missing. My plan involves leaving as soon as possible, which can be less than an hour after. I've packed a survival kit in less time than I'm planning around, granted it was for a different purpose under zero pressure to leave.
There's logic to that worry, death is an easy out in most cases because it goes relatively quickly. Still, there are people who still see death as the ultimate sentence and that is what most legal systems are based around, which is why convicting with intent to use the death penalty in trial is so much harder than convicting without it.
As I said, in several scenarios, that is the case, but in ALL scenarios, the girls WILL defend the MC. There is no way out of the girls dying in a raid except to avoid a raid. I absolutely never said I was making the girls do anything, that one was all you. There is no position where they HAVE to defend me, they CHOSE to do it and there is no scenario where they wouldn't except those where the MC and the harem get out of Syl'anar. Nothing gets brought down on anyone's head in the last case because there is no one to bring it down on in all of Syl'anar.
No one IS starving anyone, Cornwall, through his connections and authority, WOULD HAVE starved Maria had she not been in the MC's care at the time. They literally took all her financial assets, you kind of need those to buy food and water, both of which are essential to survival.
Again, a sneak attack on one man. Nia would be perfectly capable of this considering she's been slinking around in the shadows doing her own thing. I would agree with this not being viable to take down the entire pro-slave majority, but one man, even one like Cornwall, should be possible. Even his secret service wouldn't be able to stop a sneak attack unless they somehow have an ability to read the future.
I'm talking about money, Maria literally watched in horror as she was stripped of all financial assets, hence her inability to pay for her staying at the hotel. Money is also necessary to get food and water in civilized areas. She was lucky the MC allowed her to remain for free.
Most, but some do not.
And who says a new hotel couldn't be built elsewhere?
Yes, but until even after the point I mentioned, that intelligence was strictly used for war, not to spy on their own citizens.
He'll make more reforms when there is enough people desiring them to threaten his position, just like last time. Literally all of Syl'anar, except the anti-slave minority, seems satisfied as things are to me, so that seems like pigs will learn to fly first. I am aware of what the people who desired the reforms are, I call them reformists for a reason whereas the other part of the pro-slave majority is called the traditionalists.
I wouldn't call anything committed or enabled by a real karen, at least to my knowledge, a crime against humanity and I would sayy the nurse is much worse than a karen could ever be.
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It does depend alot, but if i had to make an assumption, probably between 20 to 40 hours, i could be completly wrong though.
It depends on how much Runey needs to fix and test before release, but I wouldn't expect it to be any more than 3-4 weeks tops.
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Right? I have no idea what they are even talking about so much. did you say something that they replied too?