VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[QQP_Purple]

What on earth gave you the impression that this is supposed to be a light-hearted porn game about a dude boning ten chicks? Literally nothing about that in game would suggest it, you even seem to understand that inherintently. What you're really saying is that you wish it were a light-hearted porn game about a dude boning ten chicks. It never has been. I have always planned for this shit from the very beginning. You seem very confused.

Personally I kind of got that message by the time you introduced literal chattel slavery in act 1, scene 1.

 

[DigDug69]

I know that this may seem alien to you, especially considering the type of dogshit that the media has been feeding us for the past couple of years, but fiction is supposed to mirror reality, at least to a certain extent. And when it's not doing that, it's supposed to serve some purpose, usually to elicit some sort of emotion within the audience.

This storyline is neither fun, not insightful. It's not deep, it's not eliciting the feelings of dread, seriousness, sadness, joy, excitement - the only emotion I get from these scenes is annoyance. Annoyance with Lin, for being a complete dumbass about starting these things. Annoyance with the story, for having to struggle through it, with progressively dwindling hopes that it will ever get back to the light-hearted fun that made me like this game in the first place. And annoyance with the author, because of how shallow and naive his approach to these issues is.

So, by all means, enlighten me as to the purpose of these events in the overarching narrative?
Because to me, it just seems like the author is trying to make something that appears deep, without actually creating anything deep.

So wait, you are saying that Harry Potter is real?
If fiction is supposed to be modeled after reality, then that has to be true, by your standards.
Oh, and this game is fantasy and it and Harry Potter are not fiction, they take place on fantasy worlds that have elves and fairies.

Fiction takes place on worlds that are very similar to the real world.
We do not have elves, fairies, mermaids or any of the other "FANTASY" creatures that are in this game...

Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan series is fiction.
Harem Hotel is fantasy.

 

[Runey]

I know that this may seem alien to you, especially considering the type of dogshit that the media has been feeding us for the past couple of years, but fiction is supposed to mirror reality, at least to a certain extent. And when it's not doing that, it's supposed to serve some purpose, usually to elicit some sort of emotion within the audience.

This storyline is neither fun, not insightful. It's not deep, it's not eliciting the feelings of dread, seriousness, sadness, joy, excitement - the only emotion I get from these scenes is annoyance. Annoyance with Lin, for being a complete dumbass about starting these things. Annoyance with the story, for having to struggle through it, with progressively dwindling hopes that it will ever get back to the light-hearted fun that made me like this game in the first place. And annoyance with the author, because of how shallow and naive his approach to these issues is.

So, by all means, enlighten me as to the purpose of these events in the overarching narrative?
Because to me, it just seems like the author is trying to make something that appears deep, without actually creating anything deep.

Jesus christ, I am sorry I took your criticism seriously for a moment. What are you doing here dude?

 

[BOREALUM]

No lust system for Emma and Felicity again??oh maaaaaan, that is...depressing, time to sit back wait and pray that next update will be the one...but thank you Runey anyway, I will be your supporter until my dying breath

 

[Uthuriel]

Don't be like that. Reasonable criticism is reasonable. Like, he has a point. We just happen to disagree with that point. And even than only up to a point.

But that is no reason to become territorial.

True but you have to understand that there is no perfect AVN and there will always criticism, valid or not.
If a game doesn't give you the joy you seek why play it and why spend time writing paragraphs about it?
I think those are valid questions.

 

[QQP_Purple]

True but you have to understand that there is no perfect AVN and there will always criticism, valid or not.
If a game doesn't give you the joy you seek why play it and why spend time writing paragraphs about it?
I think those are valid questions.

All I am saying is that we shouldn't turn this into a shouting match that gets the mods on our necks.
Some times it's just better to let these tangents fizzle out and die if they can.

 

[Uthuriel]

So wait, you are saying that Harry Potter is real?

Still waiting for my letter...

 

[Runey]

All I am saying is that we shouldn't turn this into a shouting match that gets the mods on our necks.
Some times it's just better to let these tangents fizzle out and die if they can.

It would be even nicer if people weren't constantly flaming this thread. I thought this was finally a moment to listen to genuine criticism.

 

[Runey]

No lust system for Emma and Felicity again??oh maaaaaan, that is...depressing, time to sit back wait and pray that next update will be the one...but thank you Runey anyway, I will be your supporter until my dying breath

I know! I've been wanting to add it for a while, I have a lot on my list. At least you have years of harem hotel updates to look forward to it won't last forever.

 

[KonfinedKnat]

Can't we all just sit back and enjoy the headpats? Where's TheDevian when you need him?

 

[Syry]

no torrent ? this game is heavy

 

[Uthuriel]

Can't we all just sit back and enjoy the headpats? Where's TheDevian when you need him?

Back hiding in the "empty" room on the top floor...

 

[DigDug69]

I saw pat pat pat Kali pat pat pat sliding a pat pat pat pizza under the pat pat pat door a pat pat pat little while pat pat pat ago.

 

[Segnbora]

I'll gently contradict Runey for a moment and observe that if you played the game before it took a more serious turn, you might think that it was about a dude banging his tenants anywhichway. A hot but ultimately meaningless game like any other.

But then it took a more serious turn, that was a really long time ago, and pretending that it's not going to continue down that much more serious line is being deliberately obtuse. Especially now that he's retrofitting the early game to better fit his story. It's so much more interesting this way. So much better. And it's not like the game's suddenly devoid of sex in favor of plot; there are zillions of repeatable sex events, and new sex events keep arriving. It's still porn, if that's what you want. I suspect you could fast-forward through the plot and still get all the porn you want. It seems like a waste of a great story, but you do you.

Objecting to an anti-slavery storyline is...a choice.

Elven slavery is *the* core of the story. Whether it's having sex with them or igniting a revolution to free them, it's the foundation. Doing both is the tightrope that Runey walks. Even though I have certain concerns about one part of it, I think it's a remarkably bold story and it's why this is one of my two favorite games in this entire genre. He's trying to say something interesting. Something important. That's immensely admirable, and he's making an incredibly enjoyable game along the way, which makes it even more fun.

 

[r6nv9as64ndaoiy]

As I said before.
You chose to play a game that is still being made.

Yes, it has been years in production, but if you had waited till it was released as a completed game, Autumn would have been fucked a long time ago in game time.
And you would have then moved on to another game.

Complaining about how long you have been waiting to fuck her, in a game that is still being made, is insane.
These games are posted here most often in incomplete forms so that game creators can get feedback from players about bugs and character development.
Since they are posted in updates, as a complete to that point game should be a major clue that one day the game will be finished and made available as a single download game.

Only play games when the game is complete, if you cannot wait to see events happening.
Playing while still in production means you may be waiting a long time for things to happen.
That is just common sense.

Uhhh, it's now my turn to act lost. Do we, I'm sorry, now pretending that...

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[jamdan]

Back hiding in the "empty" room on the top floor...

I wonder if that is where he stores all the fairy wings. Open the door and an avalanche of fairy wings falls out. Could be deadly.

 

[Runey]

I'll gently contradict Runey for a moment and observe that if you played the game before it took a more serious turn, you might think that it was about a dude banging his tenants anywhichway. A hot but ultimately meaningless game like any other.

But then it took a more serious turn, that was a really long time ago, and pretending that it's not going to continue down that much more serious line is being deliberately obtuse. Especially now that he's retrofitting the early game to better fit his story. It's so much more interesting this way. So much better. And it's not like the game's suddenly devoid of sex in favor of plot; there are zillions of repeatable sex events, and new sex events keep arriving. It's still porn, if that's what you want. I suspect you could fast-forward through the plot and still get all the porn you want. It seems like a waste of a great story, but you do you.

Objecting to an anti-slavery storyline is...a choice.

Elven slavery is *the* core of the story. Whether it's having sex with them or igniting a revolution to free them, it's the foundation. Doing both is the tightrope that Runey walks. Even though I have certain concerns about one part of it, I think it's a remarkably bold story and it's why this is one of my two favorite games in this entire genre. He's trying to say something interesting. Something important. That's immensely admirable, and he's making an incredibly enjoyable game along the way, which makes it even more fun.

That's absolutely fair, if you played around the very beginning of the game, around v0.1, I was still focusing on the porn aspect a lot. It was probably my main focus, because I know people want to get to the sex.

My comment was assuming that they started playing recently, in the last few years.

But I have to say, slavery is not the core of the story. It is oppression, as it comes in MANY forms. Every character you interact with is oppressed in some way. Ashley is poor, Kali is rich, F&E are powerful, yet they've all been oppressed by something somewhere, and MC is the one to let them free which unlocks their full potential. THAT is the core of the story. Slavery is just one way people are oppressed in this world.

I introduced a new character in Lin's second event that has the ability to oppress even Android. Anywhere Android goes now, she can't connect to the internet, she'll be "seen" and possibly killed. That threat is just a new level of oppression that brings the very powerful Android back to the level of the others.

edit: and just to be clear, I plan for this game to have a happy ending! When I say oppression is the core of the story, I don't mean to say that characters aren't the main focus. It is just the one thing every character has in common. And the thing they all want to change.

 

[Segnbora]

...these kind of games are going to be "released"?

A majority of Western games are never finished, it's true, but if you think HH (which I'm not claiming is a Western game) isn't going to be finished — one day, which might be a long while from now — you haven't paid a single bit of attention. It might take six more years, but unless he suffers the unexpected he's gonna finish it.

 

[DigDug69]

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Don't need a rule for common sense.
An incomplete game will have missing content, and a large incomplete game like Harem Hotel can be missing that content for years, since it is still in production.
Hell, Runey could leave out Autumn getting fucked until the very last release, and considering how Autumn was raised, it would fit perfectly with the story line.

With your insane bitching about it like you are, I am now almost hoping that Runey does just that, not have Autumn get fucked until the last scene of the last, completed version of Harem Hotel.

 

[r6nv9as64ndaoiy]

A majority of Western games are never finished, it's true, but if you think HH (which I'm not claiming is a Western game) isn't going to be finished — one day, which might be a long while from now — you haven't paid a single bit of attention. It might take six more years, but unless he suffers the unexpected he's gonna finish it.

I'm not claiming it's not going to be finished, but...

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