VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[Quetzzz]

Well, we don't know for sure how real the supernatural elements are, or if they are just another form of technology, it is hard to even say where the fairies' abilities land on that scale. What we do know is that any technology that is advanced enough, would seem like magic to someone who does not understand it.

Magic vs technology is beside the point in this case, I think. We, the player, experienced what Autumn did. It gives a lot of credence to (at least the origins) of her religion. It just means that the people who undergo certain rituals, get proof of the existence of whatever they worship. They'll accept it as proof of that, even if, in reality, it's aliens communicating through crystals and microwaves. The 4 staves are probably very convincing for most people as well. The MC is in a unique position, with his knowledge about magical stones, having more context to potentially explain their existence.

 

[TheDevian]

Magic vs technology is beside the point in this case, I think. We, the player, experienced what Autumn did. It gives a lot of credence to (at least the origins) of her religion. It just means that the people who undergo certain rituals, get proof of the existence of whatever they worship. They'll accept it as proof of that, even if, in reality, it's aliens communicating through crystals and microwaves. The 4 staves are probably very convincing for most people as well. The MC is in a unique position, with his knowledge about magical stones, having more context to potentially explain their existence.

We did not witness what she did, we witnessed her doing it, that's not the same thing. lol.

What she saw, could well have been another type of fairy and whatnot (they just have bigger crystals). You are right that there is some validity to them, more than most today here, but calling it 'magic' might be an overstatement. Hard to say from what we know so far, but I assume we will find out one of these days. The real question is what are we going to do with that information when we get it?

 

[Quetzzz]

We did not witness what she did, we witnessed her doing it, that's not the same thing. lol.

The player witnessed what she experienced, the MC witnessed her actions. However, if what we (the player) witnessed isn't of the "unreliable narrator"-variety, then we can take it at face value, same for Autumn's interpretation of it. (Although Autumn said to Hazel that she didn't have a choice for picking Freedom. I'm not sure if this is a lie, an "it immediately felt right"-figure-of-speech, or a mistake.)
That said, if "magic" is governed by natural laws, it's conceivable that technology can be used to manipulate it, pretty much what you and Arthur say. So I agree that there isn't really a distinction at all, at least from a secular point of view.

 

[TheDevian]

The player witnessed what she experienced, the MC witnessed her actions. However, if what we (the player) witnessed isn't of the "unreliable narrator"-variety, then we can take it at face value, same for Autumn's interpretation of it. (Although Autumn said to Hazel that she didn't have a choice for picking Freedom. I'm not sure if this is a lie, an "it immediately felt right"-figure-of-speech, or a mistake.)
That said, if "magic" is governed by natural laws, it's conceivable that technology can be used to manipulate it, pretty much what you and Arthur say. So I agree that there isn't really a distinction at all, at least from a secular point of view.

Even taking it at face value, it can easily be explained away with what we know about the world, the people who live there, and their 'magic' crystals. That is one of the largest crystals we have ever seen, and that tree is basically growing out of it. It could easily be another species of fairies, or something similar, who use the power of that crystal to deceive humans and elves and keep their society safe. They saw what the humans did to the elves, they saw what the elves did to them/their cousins, and they decided to say fuck it, and use their abilities to make the humans and elves think they are gods, in order to keep themselves safe.

 

[Quetzzz]

Even taking it at face value, it can easily be explained away with what we know about the world, the people who live there, and their 'magic' crystals. That is one of the largest crystals we have ever seen, and that tree is basically growing out of it. It could easily be another species of fairies, or something similar,

Sure, I agree with all of that. But regardless of how we can explain it away, or how the story/game might do it... At this moment, for Autumn and Hazel, it's a profound religious experience that gives them proof of their beliefs. Even if they're being manipulated by that belief.

They saw what the humans did to the elves, they saw what the elves did to them/their cousins, and they decided to say fuck it, and use their abilities to make the humans and elves think they are gods, in order to keep themselves safe.

If I'm not mistaking, the religion predates the discovery of the Elves. That said, I do think that these entities are worrying about their own safety right now, which is their motivation for genociding the Elves.

 

[The_Melchior]

Many people who talk about their ancestors in the confederacy scream that their ancestors never owned a slave, and did not fight to protect slavery.
The truth is, that most of their ancestors, did not in fact own slaves, but those who fought, did fight for a government that was fighting to protect slavery for the same reason that the government in the game was.
Whether that was the persons stated reason for fighting, or not. They did fight for a government, that was hellbent on protecting slavery.
Their economy heavily depends on slavery.
Take away the slavery, and the economy will collapse.
Those rich people who actually owned the slaves, and were often connected in some way to high level public officials and were often those very same high level public officials, who risked losing everything if the government chose not to protect slavery.
Even in the south, slaves were far too expensive for the common family to own, but then, the vast majority of the slaves were owned by the rich plantation owners, and not the common people.
The case would be similar in the game.
The vast majority of the slaves would be owned by the elite and big business, with the businesses such as factory's, farms and mines owning the majority of those.


I use the confederacy for comparisons, because the parallels with slavery in the game are nearly identical.

I would point out that while many can say their ancestor who fought for the Confederacy didn't own slaves, they doubtless still depended on them: Slaves were often rented from plantations for field work by poorer landowners. Furthermore said non-slaveowners would be completely dependent on the nearby plantation for other resources such as a Smithy, grain milling, and more. Almost all of these services were cheaper due to the use of slavery.

For the Desert Elves, I'm going to say its probably just a case of not being worth the effort. An attack to enslave the tribes might net a few hundred slaves, but it would require a logistics train (transportation, capture, firepower) in the desert that could be expensive. This is assuming that it doesn't end in a massacre that even some of the pro-slaver types might wince at.
The slaves you gain would probably be considered lower value compared to the other slaves on the market in the modern age.

I'm betting the raiders did the math and found it was more profitable to extort them than capture all of them.

 

[TheDevian]

Sure, I agree with all of that. But regardless of how we can explain it away, or how the story/game might do it... At this moment, for Autumn and Hazel, it's a profound religious experience that gives them proof of their beliefs. Even if they're being manipulated by that belief.


If I'm not mistaking, the religion predates the discovery of the Elves. That said, I do think that these entities are worrying about their own safety right now, which is their motivation for genociding the Elves.

Another real world example, some native Americans used hallucinogenics in their rituals. They certainly had experiences thanks to those rituals (actually, this is true in the cases of many religions, but that is another story). It might also be part of why their religions have so much in common.

Yeah, the religion did exist before coming to the new land, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't changed then, or that the 'fairies' or whatever didn't use that against them. The elves' religion had to be even older, since they are, but still, they could have used that against them, or maybe they were already doing something like that with the elves, when they humans got there, and just added to it.

'Fairies', turning invisible, spies on the religious leaders, learn their myths, and use them against them. Simple. Hell, there could have even been some of the 'cherubs' were the fairies of the 'old world' who secretly traveled with the missionaries as part of their work.

There are a lot of ways it could be, but we need more info. to know for sure. XD

If my idea about this being a group of 'fairies' or something similar, using the religion to manipulate people, is accurate, it could also be that this has been going on forever, and this is one of the secrets that the high elf queen is hiding, by controlling her group of fairies, but the ones manipulating the humans were able to stay hidden, thanks to humans not living as long.

IDK, there are so many ways this could be happening.

 

[Quetzzz]

If my idea about this being a group of 'fairies' or something similar, using the religion to manipulate people, is accurate, it could also be that this has been going on forever, and this is one of the secrets that the high elf queen is hiding, by controlling her group of fairies, but the ones manipulating the humans were able to stay hidden, thanks to humans not living as long.

I think you're on to something.
My biggest question at this point, is if the human gods and elvish Seldarine are the same species. Maybe they're competing for worshipers (like in American Gods, the way the Owl Clan talked about aspects reminded me of this). Or maybe the hatred/fear of Gaius' side towards Elves makes them Orcs? It being an American Gods-style transfer of energy through "belief", could explain why the Elvish Queen was propped up as a believer of Gaius, to take wind out of the sails of the Seldarine.

Even in this case, "belief" doesn't have to be religious. Like fairies can control their crystals with thought, it's not that far-fetched that prayer and belief interact with other power sources or even other dimensions.

 

[DigDug69]

Religion is essentially the worlds oldest con.

The earliest vending machine was invented by a man named Hero Alexandria in the first century. Hero Alexandria, a Greek engineer and mathematician, created a machine that accepted a coin, before dispensing holy water.

Some greek dude: It's a MIRACLE!!! I put in a coin, and it gave me holy water!!!!!!

 

[TheDevian]

I think you're on to something.
My biggest question at this point, is if the human gods and elvish Seldarine are the same species. Maybe they're competing for worshipers (like in American Gods, the way the Owl Clan talked about aspects reminded me of this). Or maybe the hatred/fear of Gaius' side towards Elves makes them Orcs? It being an American Gods-style transfer of energy through "belief", could explain why the Elvish Queen was propped up as a believer of Gaius, to take wind out of the sails of the Seldarine.

Even in this case, "belief" doesn't have to be religious. Like fairies can control their crystals with thought, it's not that far-fetched that prayer and belief interact with other power sources or even other dimensions.

It could be, the fairies did say that to make a human/elf sized person invisible would take a huge crystal (IIRC). It it possible that if you train well, at non-fairy could do something like that, or there are invisible fairies helping the church for whatever reason, hard to say how this is going to play out.

 

[ZugBub9000]

I think you're on to something.
My biggest question at this point, is if the human gods and elvish Seldarine are the same species. Maybe they're competing for worshipers (like in American Gods, the way the Owl Clan talked about aspects reminded me of this). Or maybe the hatred/fear of Gaius' side towards Elves makes them Orcs? It being an American Gods-style transfer of energy through "belief", could explain why the Elvish Queen was propped up as a believer of Gaius, to take wind out of the sails of the Seldarine.

Even in this case, "belief" doesn't have to be religious. Like fairies can control their crystals with thought, it's not that far-fetched that prayer and belief interact with other power sources or even other dimensions.

Kind of like the Universal Church of Truth in some of the Guardians of the Galaxy comics (and game) turning belief into a literal energy source.

 

[Quetzzz]

Kind of like the Universal Church of Truth in some of the Guardians of the Galaxy comics (and game) turning belief into a literal energy source.

I Belieeeeevveeee !
(They're in the animated series as well )

 

[Darkflame37]

Guys I need help! I'm stuck with Maria at level 30! I can't seem to trigger any scenes whenever the trigger is in my room! Same thing with pixel at level 15

 

[TheDevian]

Guys I need help! I'm stuck with Maria at level 30! I can't seem to trigger any scenes whenever the trigger is in my room! Same thing with pixel at level 15

https://f95zone.to/threads/harem-hotel-v0-17-2-runey.12760/post-11390861

 

[NanoX1]

What does the loyal trait do?

 

[DigDug69]

What does the loyal trait do?

It means they don't snitch, and get stitches.

 

[TheDevian]

What does the loyal trait do?

The traits only symbolize that she has at least 10 points (generally) in the corresponding stat. For Loyalty, it would be Obedience,

 

[NanoX1]

The traits only symbolize that she has at least 10 points (generally) in the corresponding stat. For Loyalty, it would be Obedience,

So traits are useless? And I thought, that some would change their behaviour.

 

[shadowtempered]

So traits are useless? And I thought, that some would change their behaviour.

Depends on what you're expecting them to do on whether or not they're useless. Stats are required for getting the girls to do specific things: ie wear sluttier clothes, do exhibition type events, etc.

You aren't going to have sex at the beach if their slutty stat isn't high enough. You aren't getting slutty stats higher without high enough love/obedience to have sexual events with them to begin with. In the end, it's worth spending the time to level the stats of the girls you like.

 

[TheDevian]

So traits are useless? And I thought, that some would change their behaviour.

There are a few things that do change how they react in situations, like what outfit they wear, or if they will strip in public. But almost none of the really affect the story, other than Lin, and the contest.
I thought it was 10, but I heard you need a 14 or higher in Lin's stats (Obedience must be at least 20, and her Blowjobs, Vaginal, and Anal must be at least 14). Aside from that one event, the changes for them having the higher stats are pretty minor, the most important of them being exhibitionism and sluttiness.