宇宙人

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He never said that, he said "in a while". Also, nothing he said or assumed so far is inconsistent with what's in the game, I don't know why you're calling his memory into question.


Now that's an ass pull if I've ever seen one.
What else do you think it could be? An ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm? Admit it—male prostitution is the best explanation. And it perfectly accounts for her sister's two misconceptions: mistakenly believing she was a virgin and her refusal to date her ex. Hahaha.
 

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To be honest, I don't really care whether Kali is a virgin or not. What bothers me is that Kali's family believes the protagonist took her virginity. (Though it's clear the protagonist—or rather, the author—doesn't seem to care.) :cautious:

As for Ashley, a girlfriend who's insanely obsessed with you and doesn't care if you have a harem—she could only exist in a virtual world. Hahaha.:ROFLMAO:
A lot of these inconsistencies just boil down to Runey still being in the progress of remaking the early game events. Many of Kali's early events have been remade to fit more with how he now sees the character, but not all of them. So you get instances where events have older animation and characters say things that may end up getting retconned in the future.
 

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You really need to work on your reading comprehension. I haven't played that scene in some time (because that was the context in which you wrote "just play the game," which is what I quoted). No, I don't replay the game, start to finish, when a new update comes out. Yes, I've played through the latest update.

Yes. If you think the game's content proves me wrong, you should be able to show me where. Screen shots are easy (if it's so easy for me to replay the event that I should just see it for myself, it's no less easy for you to replay the event to make your case), or you could even quote it. It's not my job to dig through 14 GB of content to make your case for you.

It has one example of this. That it's any kind of a regular thing is another of those assumptions that apparently it's OK for you to make, but not me.

When you hear hoofbeats (in North America, at least), think "horses," not "zebras." If we know that Kali's had sex in the past, the most natural guess as to how that happened is "with a boyfriend." You have a different theory--no less a set of assumptions than mine--and it's an interesting one. You're right that I hadn't considered it. I think it was reasonable for me to not have considered it. I haven't given serious thought to the idea that a giant asteroid might strike Earth today and wipe out all life, either, but I guess it could happen.

At this point, I'm not convinced that your guess better fits the known facts than mine, but I'm open to being shown otherwise. If you'd care to discuss the matter like a grown adult, I'm listening.

Interesting. False confidence/bravado is a common way to deal with insecurity (which Kali definitely has), so that fits.
What else do you think it could be? An ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm? Admit it—male prostitution is the best explanation. And it perfectly accounts for her sister's two misconceptions: mistakenly believing she was a virgin and her refusal to date her ex. Hahaha.
 

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What else do you think it could be? An ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm? Admit it—male prostitution is the best explanation. And it perfectly accounts for her sister's two misconceptions: mistakenly believing she was a virgin and her refusal to date her ex. Hahaha.
I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibility, but personally I'd agree with QuestionableNinja that Kali just saying stuff to sound more confident and impress us is a more likely scenario. Maybe she was a virgin, maybe she wasn't, I personally don't care much either way.
 

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A lot of these inconsistencies just boil down to Runey still being in the progress of remaking the early game events. Many of Kali's early events have been remade to fit more with how he now sees the character, but not all of them. So you get instances where events have older animation and characters say things that may end up getting retconned in the future.
Right then, so in those older versions Kali was indeed a virgin, but has that been altered now? Or something else entirely.
 

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What else do you think it could be? An ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm? Admit it—male prostitution is the best explanation. And it perfectly accounts for her sister's two misconceptions: mistakenly believing she was a virgin and her refusal to date her ex. Hahaha.
Why should he admit to your theory? Even if it would be the most plausible one - I neither thought about it and neither have I a favourite theory - until you proofed that your theory is more than a theory and even then, he wouldn't need to do that.
So, why do you "need" that acknowledgement from a random person on the internet so much?
I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibility, but personally I'd agree with QuestionableNinja that Kali just saying stuff to sound more confident and impress us is a more likely scenario. Maybe she was a virgin, maybe she wasn't, I personally don't care much either way.
His theory make sense. I think Kali and Luci have, obviously different opinion of it and Luci guess is based on her perception of Kali and not of the "real" Kali. Where Kali herself let some details out, oversell other or even invent some, same with all of us. The who we are, is not the who others see in us and surely also not the one we think we are.o_O
 
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What else do you think it could be? An ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm?
You make it sound like "an ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm" is somehow implausible, but I don't know why that would be. Never loved? Most boyfriends/girlfriends don't reach the point of loving each other (Maria was with her ex for years, and says they never loved each other). And if they weren't together for long, as I suggest, that becomes even more plausible. Never gave her an orgasm? Well, first, she never says that; she says only that she'd never had one through intercourse before--and there are other things guys can do, of course. Second, men failing to get their women off isn't exactly unheard-of.

So, yes, it's an assumption. So is your theory that she hired a male prostitute. As, for that matter, is Ninja's suggestion that Kali's just talking out her ass.

her refusal to date her ex.
What does anyone's refusal to date anyone's ex have to do with anything?
 

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Why should he admit to your theory? Even if it would be the most plausible one - I neither thought about it and neither have I a favourite theory - until you proofed that your theory is more than a theory and even then, he wouldn't need to do that.
So, why do you "need" that acknowledgement from a random person on the internet so much?

His theory make sense. I think Kali and Luci have, obviously different opinion of it and Luci guess is based on her perception of Kali and not of the "real" Kali. Where Kali herself let some details out, oversell other or even invent some, same with all of us. The who we are, is not the who others see in us and surely also not the one we think we are.o_O
Alright, the so-called male prostitute theory was merely an extreme rationalization I proposed during the debate to refute others' claims that Kali lost her virginity to her ex-boyfriend.

I've consistently maintained that Kali and the protagonist were each other's first loves. The game explicitly depicts some girls as virgins, but Kali lacks such descriptions. I insist that if Kali were not a virgin, the game's narrative would fall into awkward contradictions. The author should have explicitly included a deflowering scene. My initial intent was to rally others to mock the author, but when someone proposed the speculative theory that “her ex-boyfriend took her virginity,” it sparked a debate. I then continually tried to construct a more plausible theory than theirs.
 
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You make it sound like "an ex-boyfriend she never loved and who never gave her an orgasm" is somehow implausible, but I don't know why that would be. Never loved? Most boyfriends/girlfriends don't reach the point of loving each other (Maria was with her ex for years, and says they never loved each other). And if they weren't together for long, as I suggest, that becomes even more plausible. Never gave her an orgasm? Well, first, she never says that; she says only that she'd never had one through intercourse before--and there are other things guys can do, of course. Second, men failing to get their women off isn't exactly unheard-of.

So, yes, it's an assumption. So is your theory that she hired a male prostitute. As, for that matter, is Ninja's suggestion that Kali's just talking out her ass.


What does anyone's refusal to date anyone's ex have to do with anything?
Right, perhaps I didn't make myself clear—I should have said she wasn't dating the man she was seeing at the time, who later became her ex-boyfriend.



And I've noticed you're particularly keen on winning arguments.



You're off on another wild tangent. Inventing an ex-boyfriend for Carly—someone incapable of bringing her to climax during intercourse, yet able to do so with his hands alone? (Recall Carly mentioned only a penis could bring her to climax?)



You previously assumed this game world lacked male prostitutes altogether. So it stands to reason that some men simply cannot bring women to climax, doesn't it?
 
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Yeah, I wanted to make a joke about hoping the hotel gameplay updates don't involve having to pass a health inspection, but then this ridiculous argument happened.
 

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And I've noticed you're particularly keen on winning arguments.
One of us invented a theory he didn't believe in, presenting it as one he did believe in, solely for the purpose of arguing. It wasn't me. But yes, I'll argue my positions vigorously (and, I hope, clearly and honestly)--and run them into the ground in many cases. In that light, as to the rest of your post, I'll only say (again) that you need to work on your reading comprehension.
 
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And I've noticed you're particularly keen on winning arguments.
Dude, stop swinging the finger around for shit you are doing too. You're swinging for the fences for a theory you've admitted you don't even believe in and pulled out of your ass to contradict a theory that is common trope and still haven't presented any of this proof you keep referring to. Just stop. It doesn't matter. Go enjoy your Ashley Yandere Simulator and leave fans of other girls to themselves. It's that easy.
 

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Right then, so in those older versions Kali was indeed a virgin, but has that been altered now? Or something else entirely.
Not here to argue, just to clarify: in older versions there was no implication that Kali was a virgin.

What's been altered with Kali's storyline just has to do with how her relationship progresses with MC, with it having a more normal "meet -> hang out -> date -> sexy time -> more sexy time" progression.
 

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Alright, the so-called male prostitute theory was merely an extreme rationalization I proposed during the debate to refute others' claims that Kali lost her virginity to her ex-boyfriend.

I've consistently maintained that Kali and the protagonist were each other's first loves. The game explicitly depicts some girls as virgins, but Kali lacks such descriptions. I insist that if Kali were not a virgin, the game's narrative would fall into awkward contradictions. The author should have explicitly included a deflowering scene. My initial intent was to rally others to mock the author, but when someone proposed the speculative theory that “her ex-boyfriend took her virginity,” it sparked a debate. I then continually tried to construct a more plausible theory than theirs.
I just loaded up the first Kali sex scene and her dialog just in that scene contradicts herself.
Either Runey just got sloppy with the dialog or Kali is lying about needing cock to orgasm.
The scene:
Kali is masturbating but can't get off.
She finds the MC and says
"I have a hard time cumming, or whatever.."
"Nothing really seems to work."
"Except for..."
"Cock..."
She then asks him to help with that and says that she's just using his dick.
She gets on top and starts having sex, and says "Mmmm, it's been so long since I had a cock".
But she can't get herself to cum she gets frustrated and says "It's never going to happen, I just can't cum".
Then the MC puts her on the bottom and starts having sex, which she then orgasms from.
She then says "Like holy shit, I've never cum from sex before."

That line doesn't fit with her previous statement that she needs cock to cum.
But all the statements definitely indicate that she has had sex before, the scene is consistent there.
The contradiction within the scene is whether she did or did not cum from previous "cock" sex.

She definitely could have been lying initially about needing Cock in order to cum. Maybe she wanted to fuck the MC and made that up to play it off as just wanting to use him to cum, since she hid her actual feelings for so long.
But the line mid-sex where she says "it's been so long since I had a cock" doesn't feel like a lie.
At that point she's fucking him, if she initially lied to get him to fuck her then there isn't any reason to lie about not having cock for so long once she's fucking him.
And the line after they had sex where she is clearly shaken and excited that she was able to orgasm with sex: "Like holy shit, I've never cum from sex before."
That line definitely looks like she is being honest, and it also makes clear that she's had sex in the past.

Then the next scene where she and Lin are talking about the MC Kali talks about them having sex and that she has a hard time cumming. Kali says: "I always have a hard time cumming. I think it's because I try to always take control."
There's no reason for her to lie to Lin about this.

So I think it's pretty clear that she has had sex in the past and I think it's most likely that she wasn't able to cum in the past when she had sex. In spite of her statement that she needs Cock to cum. Her post-sex statement about never cumming from sex before just rings too true and her conversation with Lin where she had no reason to lie.

Replaying the Lucia/Kali scene where Lucia talks about Kali losing her virginity, it doesn't give any indication that it was to the MC.
Lucia just says "It's a shame that my big sister lost her virginity and I still haven't".
That would just as well fit if she is referring to Kali having lost her virginity some time in the past to a previous guy.
All Lucia is saying is that it's a shame that Kali is not a virgin and Lucia still is.

Lucia also mentions a previous boyfriend that Kali had, so there was definitely at least one previous boyfriend before the MC for Kali.


Personally I don't care at all how many boyfriends Kali might have had in the past or that she wasn't a virgin with the MC.
I love her character and those are irrelevant.
 
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I don’t know why this is complicated. The girl who buys toys online, doesn’t interact much at all with the other gender, knows she needs a cock to cum.

She used dildo’s. Apparently used one enough to wear it out, or lost it in the move, whatever. You don’t require an actual dick to experience penetration orgasms.

Mystery solved

oh, and she’s had sex at least once. That’s not unbelievable… though the people yelling at each other over this… I’m not so sure.
 
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  File "tl/schinese/script.rpyc", line 90740, in script
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 721, in execute
    renpy.exports.say(who, what, *args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/exports.py", line 1419, in say
    who(what, *args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/character.py", line 1249, in __call__
    self.do_display(who, what, cb_args=self.cb_args, dtt=dtt, **display_args)
  File "renpy/character.py", line 901, in do_display
    **display_args)
  File "renpy/character.py", line 647, in display_say
    rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse='say', type=type, roll_forward=roll_forward)
  File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3325, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3839, in interact_core
    self.draw_screen(root_widget, fullscreen_video, (not fullscreen_video) or video_frame_drawn)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 2565, in draw_screen
    renpy.config.screen_height,
  File "render.pyx", line 492, in renpy.display.render.render_screen
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 688, in render
    child = renpy.display.render.render(self.child, w, h, st, at)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 1264, in render
    st, at)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/text/text.py", line 2096, in render
    virtual_layout = Layout(self, width, height, renders, drawable_res=False, size_only=True)
  File "renpy/text/text.py", line 610, in __init__
    self.paragraphs = self.segment(text.tokens, style, renders, text)
  File "renpy/text/text.py", line 1259, in segment
    raise Exception("Unknown text tag %r" % text)
Exception: Unknown text tag u'linoname!t'

Windows-10-10.0.26100
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Harem Hotel v0.19.1
Thu Oct 23 19:49:35 2025
 

torresm

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Apr 5, 2020
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Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While processing text tag {linoname!t} in u'\u55ef!{linoname!t},Master,\u662f\u7684.\u554a!Master!\u55ef!'.:
Exception: Unknown text tag u'linoname!t'

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  File "tl/schinese/script.rpyc", line 90740, in script
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 721, in execute
    renpy.exports.say(who, what, *args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/exports.py", line 1419, in say
    who(what, *args, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/character.py", line 1249, in __call__
    self.do_display(who, what, cb_args=self.cb_args, dtt=dtt, **display_args)
  File "renpy/character.py", line 901, in do_display
    **display_args)
  File "renpy/character.py", line 647, in display_say
    rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse='say', type=type, roll_forward=roll_forward)
  File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3325, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3839, in interact_core
    self.draw_screen(root_widget, fullscreen_video, (not fullscreen_video) or video_frame_drawn)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 2565, in draw_screen
    renpy.config.screen_height,
  File "render.pyx", line 492, in renpy.display.render.render_screen
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 688, in render
    child = renpy.display.render.render(self.child, w, h, st, at)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 1264, in render
    st, at)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/display/layout.py", line 826, in render
    surf = render(child, width, height, cst, cat)
  File "render.pyx", line 170, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "render.pyx", line 263, in renpy.display.render.render
  File "renpy/text/text.py", line 2096, in render
    virtual_layout = Layout(self, width, height, renders, drawable_res=False, size_only=True)
  File "renpy/text/text.py", line 610, in __init__
    self.paragraphs = self.segment(text.tokens, style, renders, text)
  File "renpy/text/text.py", line 1259, in segment
    raise Exception("Unknown text tag %r" % text)
Exception: Unknown text tag u'linoname!t'

Windows-10-10.0.26100
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Harem Hotel v0.19.1
Thu Oct 23 19:49:35 2025
Did you download the full game or just the update?
 
4.60 star(s) 497 Votes